Blue Jays Discussion: No longer the off-season. It's time for real baseball

[phillipmike]

bold.

Im known to be wrong 90% of the time, every time.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Love the name. Would love to see him drafted by the Astros. Could you imagine if the Astros had a jersey with the name “Trash” on the back?

I’m not holding my breath but I really hope Madden falls to us.

Montgomery, Ford and Painter are realistic targets. Izaac Pacheco is someone I’ll always look at, reminds me a lot of Groshans with a lefty bat.

What happened to Chase Petty? I don’t see him on many mocks anymore.



High school pitcher with a repeatable delivery hitting 100mph, sign me up!

I doubt Madden falls unless he goes all Jon Harris in the next 3 months, in which case we may not want him.

BA has Petty going 28 to Tampa Bay. I'm hesitant to take a hard throwing high school righty that early. Especially one who's on the short side with an atypical delivery.

If I'm taking the risk I'd rather go with Painter who has less now stuff but more projectable build and deeper repertoire.

I think given the strength of the draft we go either go high school hitter or college pitcher.

 

[Discoverer]

My 2nd hot take of the Spring:

Prior to any trades, Roark proves his worth and provides value to the rotation where he is 3rd on the team in innings pitched and 4th in starting fWAR.

You just sound insane right now.

 

[ryno23]

Any advice?

Honestly?

Join a different league lol

League is actually fun plus it's run by a member of our board of directors so try to stay on the good side lol. $1500 to the winner for a $60 entry fee. Tp only 70 teams or so each year.

 

[BlueForever75]

Im very surprised they released Liriano. He had an above average spring and definitely would have worked out of BP as the lefty. Surprised they selected Mayza instead of him especially if Mayza had options.

 

[FreeBird]

You just sound insane right now.

When will Springer have his sports hernia surgery and how long will it take for recovery

 

[theaub]

League is actually fun plus it's run by a member of our board of directors so try to stay on the good side lol. $1500 to the winner for a $60 entry fee. Tp only 70 teams or so each year.

I think Vlad is the play - 1B is pretty weak this year (although with the double up I'd use it on Acuna/Freeman)

 

[Discoverer]

Im very surprised they released Liriano. He had an above average spring and definitely would have worked out of BP as the lefty. Surprised they selected Mayza instead of him especially if Mayza had options.

Most of the bullpen decisions they've made this spring suggest to me their current focus is on winning right now as opposed to the usual "asset management" stuff, which is nice. I would say the Panik move doesn't really fit that category, but the rest of them do.

 

[ryno23]

I think Vlad is the play - 1B is pretty weak this year (although with the double up I'd use it on Acuna/Freeman)

Yeah I am leaning to Vlad. My double up is Shane Beiber and Jose Ramirez from CLE. There are so many options for which team you can double up. Do you do Bellinger/ Betts Betts/Bauer so many. My 2nd choice was your Acuna/Freeman which I have Acuna already.

 

[theaub]

Yeah I am leaning to Vlad. My double up is Shane Beiber and Jose Ramirez from CLE. There are so many options for which team you can double up. Do you do Bellinger/ Betts Betts/Bauer so many. My 2nd choice was your Acuna/Freeman which I have Acuna already.

I got VERY bored at work and put a team together and ended up with Devers at 3B. Too many OF to justify a double Dodgers OF move imo.

I guess it ends up coming down to Ramirez vs Freeman which is basically a dead heat. Can't go wrong either way.

 

[ryno23]

I got VERY bored at work and put a team together and ended up with Devers at 3B. Too many OF to justify a double Dodgers OF move imo.

I guess it ends up coming down to Ramirez vs Freeman which is basically a dead heat. Can't go wrong either way.

That is where i am now. Devers or Bogarts. If I take Devers I fill my 1b/3b slot and open up my DH spot

Here is what I have so far. Any feedback is awesome. You guys are on here have a good baseball knowledge

POS	Name			TEAM	H.R.	RBI	S.B.	B.A.
Outfielder	Mike Trout			LAA	44	107	13	0.295
Outfielder	Juan Soto			WAS	36	111	13	0.302
Outfielder	Ronald Acuna Jr			ATL	37	91	31	0.282
Outfielder	Christian Yelich			Mil	34	90	22	0.289
Outfielder	Kyle Tucker			HOU	30	98	23	0.268
1B	Cody Bellinger			LAD	38	102	14	0.278
2B	Brandon Lowe			TB	33	92	4	0.266
SS	Fernando Tatis Jr			SD	39	97	26	0.285
3B	Jose Ramirez			CLE	34	102	27	0.278
Catcher	Salvador Perez			KC	28	79	2	0.272
Catcher	Wilson Contrares			CHI	23	76	3	0.261
1B or 3B
2B or SS	Trevor Storey			COL	35	82	28	0.288
DH	Xander Bogarts			BOS	30	101	10	0.295
				2021 proj	441	1228	216	0.281
		2019 category top score	471	1301	239	.291
				Avg Player	31	86	15	.291
POS	Name			TEAM	WINS	SAVES	K'S	ERA
Pitcher	Jacob Degrom			NYM	17		260	2.62
Pitcher	Shane Beiber			CLE	15		244	3.27
Pitcher	Luis Castillo			CIN	13		228	3.30
Pitcher	Gerit Cole			NYY	17		277	2.97
Pitcher	Kenta Maeda			Min	13		197	3.27
Pitcher	Aaron Nola			PHI	15		248	3.31
Pitcher	Jack Flarehty			STL	12		205	3.43
Pitcher	Lucas Giolito			CHW	13		241	3.56
Closer	Trevor Rosenthal			OAK	3	37	100	3.00
					118	37	2000	3.192
				last year top	121	37	1989	2.92
Farm Team - Name - Position - Team
SP	Hyn Jin Ruy			TOR
SP	Kevin Gausman			SF
RP	Joakim Soria			ARI
OF	Sterling Marte			Mia
OF/1B	Ryan Moundcastle			BAL
3B	Ke Bryan Hayes			PIT
OF	Joey Gallo			TEX
C	Wilson Ramos			DET
2B/OF	Dylan Moore			Sea

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[theaub]

This is what I ended up with. The ones highlighted in green are the ones I think are clearly better than other options on their respective teams, everything else is pretty moveable based on preference. Is the taxi squad a bench where you sub in players as a daily basis or do they replace players if they outscore them? That would impact stuff (ie carrying a third catcher etc).

e: also is it 31 or 32 players? If its 32 toss in Bellinger as a DH.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[ryno23]

This is what I ended up with. The ones highlighted in green are the ones I think are clearly better than other options on their respective teams, everything else is pretty moveable based on preference. Is the taxi squad a bench where you sub in players as a daily basis or do they replace players if they outscore them? That would impact stuff (ie carrying a third catcher etc).

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e: also is it 31 or 32 players? If its 32 toss in Bellinger as a DH.

Taxi squad can be subbed in at the all-star break and you swap their full stats. Yeah you get a DH and Bellinger is a good choice but you can only double up on 1 team. Good looking team

 

[phillipmike]

21 MLB bold predictions for 2021 season: Several big trades, a repeat champ, huge year for Ohtani and more

3. The Blue Jays will trade for Hader.

Few teams upgraded their roster as aggressively as the Blue Jays this offseason. They brought in Marcus Semien and George Springer to improve an already powerful lineup, and made a series of smaller pitching additions in Tyler Chatwood, Steven Matz, David Phelps, and Kirby Yates. They also re-signed Robbie Ray, whose velocity is way up this spring.

Yates, unfortunately, will not pitch this year after blowing out his elbow and undergoing his second career Tommy John surgery last week. Toronto lost its ace closer before Opening Day and will now lean on Chatwood, Phelps, Rafael Dolis, and Jordan Romano in the late innings. It could work! It could also be a total mess and threaten to derail their promising season.

Enter Josh Hader. The Brewers have been listening to offers for their closer for over a year and he's one of the top trade candidates in the sport. I can see a scenario in which Milwaukee trades Hader at the deadline even if they're in the race. Trading him for a godfather package and rolling with Devin Williams and breakout candidate Drew Rasmussen in the late innings is plausible.

Reports indicate the Brewers want MLB-ready or close-to-MLB players in any Hader trade. Would they entertain a one-of-one trade like, say, Hader for Alek Manoah? Or Hader for Simeon Woods Richardson? Or do they need more? Keep in mind Hader will be under team control through 2023, so he's not a rental. He'd be a long-term addition to an up-and-coming Blue Jays team.

Hader is starting to get expensive through arbitration and the small-market Brewers spending north of $10 million on a reliever, a great reliever but still a reliever, does not seem likely. The Blue Jays have the money to spend and a need in the bullpen, and they have top prospects to trade. It's a fit for Toronto and a fit for Milwaukee, so I'm predicting a trade, boldly.

 

[canucksfan]

21 MLB bold predictions for 2021 season: Several big trades, a repeat champ, huge year for Ohtani and more

Both SWR and Manoah can fill in and pretty much do what Hader would provide.

 

[phillipmike]

You just sound insane right now.

Just wait from my 3rd prediction.

 

[habamillions]

Hell no. You dont trade guys like manoah and woods-richardson who can be potential very good starters for a closer

 

[phillipmike]

Ranking the 10 best lineups entering 2021

3 -- Blue Jays

1. Cavan Biggio, 3B
2. George Springer, CF
3. Bo Bichette, SS
4. Teoscar Hernández, RF
5. Vladimir Guerrero Jr., 1B
6. Marcus Semien, 2B
7. Lourdes Gurriel Jr., LF
8. Rowdy Tellez, DH
9. Danny Jansen, C

The kids are all right. Toronto’s young and hungry lineup ran a bit hot and cold but ultimately scored the seventh-most runs in MLB in 2020. And now the Blue Jays have added Springer (though he is currently dealing with an oblique issue) and Semien to their stash. “Toronto” will start the season at TD Ballpark in Dunedin, Fla., which could lead to some silly run totals, and the Blue Jays are going to be really dangerous if Guerrero puts it all together.

Don’t sleep on Tellez, who might be a breakout candidate, or on backup catcher Alejandro Kirk, who puts together great at-bats. If you told me the Blue Jays will be worthy of the top spot by season’s end, I’d believe you. This might be the most fun lineup in the game.

According to MLB.com 3rd ranked offense and 11th-ish ranked pitching.

According to FG; 4th ranked offense and the 11th ranked pitching.

 

[Morgs]

What a horrible, horrible, trade.

 

[The Nemesis]

did people whinge about the 6:30et/3:30pt starts or something? All the slighly earlier starts have been wiped out and replaced with "traditional" 7/4 night games and 1/10 day games.

 

[canucksfan]

What a horrible, horrible, trade.

Josh Johnson on the list as well. I thought the Miami trade was a complete steal for the Jays.

 

[The Nemesis]

What a horrible, horrible, trade.

The thing that's perhaps a little misleading is that WPA is a cumulative stat. So if you pitch kinda bad for several years you're going to rank "higher" than someone who was ungodly awful for a short run before the team jettisoned him for any warm body that might be better.

Also if I use Fangraphs there are a whole bunch of additional names that are I assume from the garbage expansion years. For example Jesse Jefferson sits ahead of Dickey at -6.59

 

[Canada4Gold]

What a horrible, horrible, trade.

That 2 trades that equated to Drew Hutchison for 1 year of Liriano, McGuire, Ramirez, Teo and Aoki. Those were horrible trades for the others teams indeed.

You win some you lose some but yeah that Dickey trade

 

[canucksfan]

Should we do some team predictions for the season? Biggest underachiever of the team? Breakout season? MVP of the team? etc.