Channelcat
Mennonite
Ya, how about Wpg vs Mn in the first round?And some lucky team in the central just finds out that Winnipeg will be their first round opponents...
Post-Game Talk: No defense for this loss
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Jetfaninflorida
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FYI. We are a .500 club wins / losses for the last 30 games of the season. That's the last 30 games we have played. This is how we have been playing for a long, long, long time. 30 games is the last 48% of the season. In round numbers, for the last 1/2 of the season we are a .500 team.
I hope the Hendricks / Hayes / Dmen additions help. But we have a very difficult schedule from here on in. This idea that we have a switch that we can simply flick and dominate games is not born out by the team results. I have to believe that coaching is holding this team back. Utilization decisions have been questionable all year long. Look who was on the ice in a 1 goal game with a minute and a half left in the game last night on the game tying goal.
Our coaching is a key weak link on this team. Either that or you believe that this is a 0.500 caliber roster. You decide.
I hope the Hendricks / Hayes / Dmen additions help. But we have a very difficult schedule from here on in. This idea that we have a switch that we can simply flick and dominate games is not born out by the team results. I have to believe that coaching is holding this team back. Utilization decisions have been questionable all year long. Look who was on the ice in a 1 goal game with a minute and a half left in the game last night on the game tying goal.
Our coaching is a key weak link on this team. Either that or you believe that this is a 0.500 caliber roster. You decide.
Don't recall any of our reporters ever asking that question but someone should .
Enstrom
Buff
Trouba
Lowry all missed time last year.
3rd least in HD CA to 15th this year (5v5)
Cypruss
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Howard Chuck
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tntkid
Fire Maurice & Chevy
IIRC, it was covered in The Athletic recently, and 55 and 26 are good on the PK. Whether they were meaningfully better than other options I don’t recall, and there’s clearly a balance to be struck between PK advantage with them on it vs., say, Hayes and Copp, and their value as less tired, less sloppy 5v5 players, who aren’t injured by blocking shots. Basically, fewer penalties solves both problems.
That's just dumb then , how can so many of us dummies on this board see that they can't kill penalties and our Coaching staff can't ?
Hayes was one of the Rangers best penalty killers , Copp can kill penalties , Lowry can kill penalties , Tanev can kill penalties , Little can kill penalties . That's 5 good penalty killers right there , Appleton can kill and Frenchie , that's 7 . Take Scheif and Wheeler off and it cuts their ice times down so maybe they could be able to back check .
Ducky10
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The Jets are not surprising anyone this year, last year they did. There wasn't much of a book on them last season, especially with so many young players. Injuries over the last couple months to very key players haven't helped matters and the talent downgrade on D with the departure of Enstrom (43 games is not insignificant people), is getting more evident. Ben Chiarot simply cannot log top 4 minutes for any team that wants to call itself a contender, especially in the absence of the guy who is responsible for making him even look like a passable player.
Certain players performance has to improve, it has not been as consistent as last season and collectively this team does not seem as committed and disciplined in playing the game that worked so well for them last season. The sample seems to be growing with the number of times we've seen indifferent play from some of our key players and I have to admit I'm wondering why more often than previously. Teams have adjusted to the Jets, it's pretty obvious, yet they don't seem to be making many adjustments themselves or at least be as committed to what it is they are already being asked to do. Maurice is a great talker, but I've always thought he's just really good in non specifics, he can talk around something without ever really saying much of substance. Now, a lot of that is by design, I obviously don't expect the guy to get overly specific about what it is the Jets are trying to do and where they are failing, but his consistent explanation that they just need to play faster and look a certain way just fall flat with me. You wonder whether it's starting to fall flat with the players as well.
There is clearly a sense of frustration in a number of players, whether that has to do with their own performance, their teammates performance (or lack thereof), or the message they keep receiving is hard to tell. Something seems amiss though, they just don't seem as driven.
Certain players performance has to improve, it has not been as consistent as last season and collectively this team does not seem as committed and disciplined in playing the game that worked so well for them last season. The sample seems to be growing with the number of times we've seen indifferent play from some of our key players and I have to admit I'm wondering why more often than previously. Teams have adjusted to the Jets, it's pretty obvious, yet they don't seem to be making many adjustments themselves or at least be as committed to what it is they are already being asked to do. Maurice is a great talker, but I've always thought he's just really good in non specifics, he can talk around something without ever really saying much of substance. Now, a lot of that is by design, I obviously don't expect the guy to get overly specific about what it is the Jets are trying to do and where they are failing, but his consistent explanation that they just need to play faster and look a certain way just fall flat with me. You wonder whether it's starting to fall flat with the players as well.
There is clearly a sense of frustration in a number of players, whether that has to do with their own performance, their teammates performance (or lack thereof), or the message they keep receiving is hard to tell. Something seems amiss though, they just don't seem as driven.
tbcwpg
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I've heard the team just plays down to their opponents, so they should be fine against tough teams right?
I don't think it's right to put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the coach. The players are just as responsible. I don't believe arguments that they're unmotivated because there's no accountability. If you're a first placed team, and youre in the Cup conversation, that's all the motivation you should need.
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I've found it hard to be a Roslovic fan this year - anywhere. Except that one game on PP2.
Should have sent him to the Moose and kept Apples.
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Tank? When we have 3 picks in the draft, none of them a 1st? Good thing at least Chevy didn't pull a Dorion and trade an unprotected 1st.
Jetfaninflorida
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It's not all on the coach. It is never (or hardly ever) only one thing. But if coaching is not an issue at all, then do you believe this roster is a .500 calibre roster? That's the way we have played for 30 games in a row now.
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To add, I don't think it's a positive that a contending team is still looking for a spark in late February , in order to play it's A game. Being healthy makes a difference but if you're still looking for something to spark your level of play, something is amiss.
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I believe a bit of both. There are enough problems that a change here or there won't be enough. That window for contending?
They need to seriously take stock of the whole organization from top to bottom, even more than they did after the Anaheim sweep. Time to flip the hour... sorry, 5 year glass.
tbcwpg
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It's not that simple a question. I also didn't say coaching isn't an issue at all. I'm not sure how you go through these topics as it's either A or B and there's no room in between. The stretch you make from "it's not just coaching" to " coaching isn't an issue at all" is half the reason you get into these heated debates about it.
They are playing like a .500 team, partly because of coaching and partly because of the players playing way below the level that we've seen them be capable of playing at.
So, no, I don't believe that the issue is only coaching, and no, I don't believe that this is a .500 calibre roster.
JetsFan815
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Does anyone else feel that most of the Noel era/Early Maurice era teams would beat this team in 7 game series if they had a slightly above average goaltending like Helle-Brossoit combo?
I agree with most of what you are saying but I think this's on the players not the coaching.
I agree with most of what you are saying but I think this's on the players not the coaching.
Ducky10
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Reasonable take, you're right it is never one thing, that's too simplistic. If people are of the belief that Maurice doesn't hold a certain level of responsibility in this, they are just choosing not to. One hopes he realizes it himself and holds himself accountable as well as others.
he turned the corner for 1 week and then made another turn, unfortunately.
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If the PO's started tomorrow? Yes. This team is finding ways to lose. They have 19 games to turn it around.
They sure are not doing anything recently to give me any confidence.
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He’s likely too good for the AHL, but hasn’t established himself as an effective NHL’er yet. I question if he’ll ever be more than a bottom 6 player, but time will tell. I think Chevy and PoMo want him to gain that experience to one day be an effective contributor as a complementary piece - in a pp and pk role as well. I think having him be our #2 C, eventually replacing Little, is a few years down the road if at all.
So some growing pains now with him for sure. I just haven’t seen him take meaningful positive strides yet. He’s played with Little and a quality winger for awhile now, month or two, but has only contributed a little bit on the pp2 and that seems to have dried up for now.
He was expendable at the deadline for me in the right deal. A mid-20’s impact player either with term on his deal or willing to sign here. But that deal didn’t happen. If the Jets are able to re-sign Hayes, then Roslovic looks like a bottom 3 winger to me or trade bait to get a quality young dman.
Though the more I look at our line up for next couple of years and our cap situation, having Roslovic on 3rd line with Lowry and maybe Vesalainen, appeals to me too. He’s cost controlled and could maybe play that speedy, defensively aware role on that line possibly replacing a too expensive Tanev.
