Post-Game Talk: No defense for this loss

BoneDocUK

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Nothing to add about the last few minutes last night — it was ugly, but it’s not like it’s new for this year. 2016-17 throwback.

I’d sit Myers and/or Kuli and plug Bogdan and/or Poolman in to calm things down on the back end and get 55/26 under 20 mins a game and off the PK, esp with Hayes in the lineup. He’s a rental, let’s get value out of him. PoMo needs to take back the reigns, and soon.
 
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Just using this post as a jumping off point.... we tend to favor players who are very fast and looking like whirling dervishes out there, over smart contemplative players.

We love Tanev, Roslovic etc and they have their place on the team, but they aren't getting us points.

Watching players pirouette on the ice all night with nothing to show for it, isn't doing us any good. Yet, there is very little praise for the players that get us points. Weird.
I think Roslovic will be a good player but right now he looks lost out there especially defensively . He's not the only one and we aren't losing because of him but it may be time to let him sit a couple of games . I hear Par can play defense , maybe give him a look .
 

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It's why I'm annoyed we didn't give Petan more of a shot. He fits the smart, doesn't look busy on the ice but is effective classification. I am fairly certain he would have given us a decent amoubt more than Roslovic this year if given the same opportunities.
I found it curious all the pre trade deadline talk about teams all asking for Roslovic. I like the player but he has not been very impactful IMO. I see a player that skates like the wind but doesn't seem to do much else. He doesnt get points and he seems weak defensively. I'll defer to Garrett if the analytics show otherwise? Is it just the potential everyone sees?

I am saddened that Petan was given away.
 
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Yup.

I have been saying this for a while now. The record / standing in the league was a mirage. Maurice simply has no answers to fix this. Overplays Scheifele - Wheeler (including the PK). Took waaaaaay too long to change things for a struggling Laine. Weird reliance on AHL level defenders when the results seem to say they should stay in the AHL.

Chevy has given the coach a trade (several actually) to try and fix things. Unfortunately the issues are on D and D zone coverage.

At this stage I will be shocked if they even keep home ice advantage let alone make a cup run.

Then the real work for Chevy:
Finding a new coach
Finding a solution for the Trouba situation
Upgrading the D
Signing major RFA's

Yeah I think it's fairly safe to say that despite the point totals this team has taken a significant step back. It's l
Almost like they have forgotten what it was that made them so dangerous last year.

The defensive play has gone from a big time strength to a significant weakness.

We are not getting to the high danger areas offensively like we were last year.

I am sure there is plenty of blame to go around but If this team continues as is and flames out in round 1 I have no idea if you can bring back Maurice and give him a chance to rebound.
 

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I found it curious all the pre trade deadline talk about teams all asking for Roslovic. I like the player but he has not been very impactful IMO. I see a player that skates like the wind but doesn't seem to do much else. He doesnt get points and he seems weak defensively. I'll defer to Garrett if the analytics show otherwise? Is it just the potential everyone sees?

I am saddened that Petan was given away.

The analytics GAR rank him behind Petan and Appton in terms of impact. Agree right now I see a player with good skating and some nice tools but the toolbox hasn't developed yet. I think Maurice tends to put too much of an emphasis on physical ability and to some extent undervalues smarts.
 

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I'm not really interested in human cloning, but some of you scientists sneak in to Buffs fishing cabin and clone him. And don't you dare keeping him for yourself, bring him to the line that's called defence. If the healthy one doesn't know, show some Buff smash clips on youtube. Thanks. Really don't even mind when the original comes back, they can both be there. Maybe draw a mustache for the other so league doesn't get suspicious.
 
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Yup.

I have been saying this for a while now. The record / standing in the league was a mirage. Maurice simply has no answers to fix this. Overplays Scheifele - Wheeler (including the PK). Took waaaaaay too long to change things for a struggling Laine. Weird reliance on AHL level defenders when the results seem to say they should stay in the AHL.

Chevy has given the coach a trade (several actually) to try and fix things. Unfortunately the issues are on D and D zone coverage.

At this stage I will be shocked if they even keep home ice advantage let alone make a cup run.

Then the real work for Chevy:
Finding a new coach
Finding a solution for the Trouba situation
Upgrading the D
Signing major RFA's
Funny, that. We had absolutely no problems playing great team defense last year as a team.
 
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Myers was awful. He gave Zucker that call by going for the crosscheck instead of getting position and tying him up like a good D would do. Right now, Myers cruises around in his own zone like a tripod, then freezes as soon as he gets the puck leading to lots of bad turnovers. He and Kulikov were a catastrophe last night.
I like the tripod image. That’s a good one lol.
 
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Heldig

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Come back Buffy

Jets need you!!!! :(


Losing your top 2 defenseman for looong stretches is insane !!!!!!!

:confused:

Not many teams can survive that.
Agree AND disagree.

Yes, losing Morrissey and Buff is a massive blow. But it has been 1 game with both guys out. That does not explain the other 25 or whatever clueless games played by this "top cup contender".

Looking at regular stats AND advanced stats, what about this team is elite this season? The PP I guess. Still 4th best in the league.

For all the vaunted depth and having the potential to have 3 scoring lines...they are only 8th in GF. GA 14th. Our Vezina goalie sits 33rd in GAA and 27th in Save%. PK is 22nd. 19th in shots per game but 28th in Shots against.
 
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Well, at least they didn't embarrass themselves in front of special guests flown in from overseas or esteemed former captains. That would be bad.
one of the esteemed captains lit a cigar with a $100 bill while drinking at Wise Guys. he also had a brawl break out at his wedding.
another captain was charged for assaulting a woman.
another former captain was known for getting drunk and eating shards of glass.

i don't think any of them were embarrassed by last night's loss.
 

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one of the esteemed captains lit a cigar with a $100 bill while drinking at Wise Guys. he also had a brawl break out at his wedding.
another captain was charged for assaulting a woman.
another former captain was known for getting drunk and eating shards of glass.

i don't think any of them were embarrassed by last night's loss.
what? I am curious what you think you are saying here?
 

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The analytics GAR rank him behind Petan and Appton in terms of impact. Agree right now I see a player with good skating and some nice tools but the toolbox hasn't developed yet. I think Maurice tends to put too much of an emphasis on physical ability and to some extent undervalues smarts.

I'm still annoyed by it too. We have underperforming talent and we give away a guy who makes talent better (who was also playing really well) for free.
 

pucka lucka

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not being rude, but what part don't you understand?
I know you were trying to be dismissive, but what do previous captains acting like clowns have to do with our current captain? Are you suggesting that Jets captain all share bizarre trait because they are Jets captains?
 

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What I don't understand is why Hayes was playing with Perreault and Ehlers. If he was brought in as a number 2 center, he needed either Connor or Laine on his other wing. There aren't a lot of games left before the playoffs to build chemistry.
 

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