Proposal: NJ <> CAR -> Severson

[GIN ANTONIC]

To NJ:
- Ethan Bear (24 y/o, RFA)
- 2023 1st
- Ryan Suzuki

To CAR:
- Damon Severson (27 y/o, 1 x $4.1... maybe with some retention?)

Close? Not close?

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[Boondock]

To NJ:
- Ethan Bear (24 y/o, RFA)
- 2023 1st
- Ryan Suzuki

To CAR:
- Damon Severson (27 y/o, 1 x $4.1... maybe with some retention?)

Close? Not close?

If I was NJ I would think long and hard about that offer. The Devils RDH situation might make the offer a little less appealing, but from a straight value of assets point of view, I think you're there.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

I think it’s a good offer given Devils need a severson replacement next year if they ship him out. I don’t think Fitz wants to make the team next year worse unless the future value blows him away though so he probably says no.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

To NJ:
- Ethan Bear (24 y/o, RFA)
- 2023 1st
- Ryan Suzuki

To CAR:
- Damon Severson (27 y/o, 1 x $4.1... maybe with some retention?)

Close? Not close?

I think the Devils would seriously consider this offer
Obviously downgrading from Severson to Bear will hurt, but having an additional 1st in 2023 is massive
Personally I accept this.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Well I did not run this by fellow Canes fans, so they may absolutely hate it but I will sign off on it then.

Pleasure doing business with you.

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SEE EVERYONE... INTER-DIVISION TRADES REALLY CAN HAPPEN!

 

[Forge]

As a devils fan, I'd be okay with this offer for sure.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

I’d definitely do it. Possibly even consider it an overpayment from Carolina.

 

[Forge]

I’d definitely do it. Possibly even consider it an overpayment from Carolina.

Depends on what you think of Suzuki. I believe he's been a bit underwhelming in the ahl, but obviously only 20

 

[Springfield Isotopes]

2023 first is like very far down?

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

I think it’s a good offer given Devils need a severson replacement next year if they ship him out. I don’t think Fitz wants to make the team next year worse unless the future value blows him away though so he probably says no.

Yeah, similar thoughts. It's a good offer, but Fitz probably doesn't want to make the team worse.

The pick is probably somewhere between 26–32, and Suzuki have had injury issues, so there are also some downsides in this offer. I'd prefer Koivunen over Suzuki, perhaps.

 

[TBF1972]

I think the Devils would seriously consider this offer
Obviously downgrading from Severson to Bear will hurt, but having an additional 1st in 2023 is massive
Personally I accept this.

getting a brother for a cheap hfboard trade proposal makes it well worth it.

 

[banks]

Great proposal, OP!

As a neutral fan, I think both teams would absolutely consider this. It's maybe a bit of an overpay from Carolina. But best proposal I've seen in a while.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

Depends on what you think of Suzuki. I believe he's been a bit underwhelming in the ahl, but obviously only 20

Personally, and I know on hf this will be considered a hot take, but Severson has been pretty underwhelming for the past few years to me.

The only hesitation I have is losing RHD depth but Bear should fill that hole for a little bit.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Yeah, similar thoughts. It's a good offer, but Fitz probably doesn't want to make the team worse.

The pick is probably somewhere between 26–32, and Suzuki have had injury issues, so there are also some downsides in this offer. I'd prefer Koivunen over Suzuki, perhaps.

Totally fair take on Suzuki and I think the prospect is somewhat flexible here. Let's say 'Suzuki level' and for sure there would be some negotiation with that for the Devils.

Maybe if it is value wise a sliiiight overpay CAR wise perhaps NJ throws in a late pick like 4th or later to give Carolina a longshot to throw at the dart board.

 

[Nico Hischier]

It’s a fair trade I just am not a fan. Downgrading severson for a first round pick that’s going to be years away from seeing nhl ice if he even makes it to the league. Is definitely a gamble from nj perspective with 3 question marks for a proven top 4 rhd

 

[Jerzey Devil]

It’s a fair trade I just am not a fan. Downgrading severson for a first round pick that’s going to be years away from seeing nhl ice if he even makes it to the league. Is definitely a gamble from nj perspective with 3 question marks for a proven top 4 rhd

We could also use that first in a trade for another rd or Boeser or something.

 

[57special]

2023 first is like very far down?

WAY down. Essentially, NJD would be getting two Ryan Suzuki's and Ethan Bear. A great deal if you mix up your Suzukis'. If NJD fans like this deal it tells me that they aren't too hyped about Severson, as they have no cap problems, and he is still relatively young.

 

[TrufleShufle]

I get the value is there, but I'd like to think we are closer than valuing a 2023 late first. Sure we could trade that first for something we need, like a RHD, or trade Severson for said RHD, or keep Severson because, as you know he tends to play the right side..

If it was for a prospect who was almost NHL ready and/or a couple picks in this draft, it might be worth it but this seems like selling to sell.

 

[Blackjack]

WAY down. Essentially, NJD would be getting two Ryan Suzuki's and Ethan Bear. A great deal if you mix up your Suzukis'. If NJD fans like this deal it tells me that they aren't too hyped about Severson, as they have no cap problems, and he is still relatively young.

The problem is that any contender’s 1st round pick will probably be very late. There are also not as many of them out there as some teams (like Vegas) have already traded their 1st.

if NJ keeps severson this year they may not even get a 1st for him and that would be bad.

 

[Forge]

It’s a fair trade I just am not a fan. Downgrading severson for a first round pick that’s going to be years away from seeing nhl ice if he even makes it to the league. Is definitely a gamble from nj perspective with 3 question marks for a proven top 4 rhd

There's a very real chance that happens regardless. Severson hits FA at age 29...we may not have any intention signing him long term. If we don't, we should look at moving him now for increased value compared to what he'd fetch as a rental.

This is a solid trade and arouund what I would expect for him at this point

 

[Forge]

WAY down. Essentially, NJD would be getting two Ryan Suzuki's and Ethan Bear. A great deal if you mix up your Suzukis'. If NJD fans like this deal it tells me that they aren't too hyped about Severson, as they have no cap problems, and he is still relatively young.

He's a solid second pairing defenseman. Maybe even a good second pair guy, I dunno. But if there's no intention to resign him when he hits FA, we should kick the tires on moving him now.

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

The problem is that any contender’s 1st round pick will probably be very late. There are also not as many of them out there as some teams (like Vegas) have already traded their 1st.

if NJ keeps severson this year they may not even get a 1st for him and that would be bad.

If Severson plays similar hockey as he has played this season, I don't see any reason why they don't get a 1st for him. That's why I wouldn't trade him unless the offer is really good.

WAY down. Essentially, NJD would be getting two Ryan Suzuki's and Ethan Bear. A great deal if you mix up your Suzukis'. If NJD fans like this deal it tells me that they aren't too hyped about Severson, as they have no cap problems, and he is still relatively young.

The most Devils fans think Severson is a (really) good second pairing dman, but the question is, is he a core player for the team. I mean they have to pay $6-6,5 mil per year for him, if he re-signs with the Devils. After that they would pay almost $20 mil for their right handed dmen, and that is a lot of money.

As Goldman wrote:

"Why isn’t Severson as much of a consideration as a core piece that could help get this team back to the playoffs? His trajectory has a lot to do with it. He’s 27 years old now, but at the start of his next contract in 2023-24, he’ll be 29. At that phase in his career, as the work of Cam Lawrence, now of the Columbus Blue Jackets, and Luke and Josh Younggren of Evolving-Hockey, on aging curves shows, he’ll probably be past his prime at that point. Even more worrisome to a signing team is how he’ll trend over the life of his next contract, seeing as most defensemen tend to rapidly decline into their 30s.

That probably won’t line up with the Devils’ timeline, especially if he asks for a significant raise at that point — and given his play these last few seasons, he’s in every right to do so.

Between Jack Hughes, Nico Hischier, and Hamilton, management has over $24 million in cap space tied up between three players for the foreseeable future. If Jesper Bratt gets extended, it’s possible he gets a significant raise to put him in that conversation for core costs. Contenders rightfully tend to invest a lot of cap space in their best players, but when there’s that much cap space dedicated to so few players, it’s important to optimize value. Signing a player into the 30s may not do that. "

Why the Devils should consider moving Damon Severson, and why playoff teams should be interested

Totally fair take on Suzuki and I think the prospect is somewhat flexible here. Let's say 'Suzuki level' and for sure there would be some negotiation with that for the Devils.

Maybe if it is value wise a sliiiight overpay CAR wise perhaps NJ throws in a late pick like 4th or later to give Carolina a longshot to throw at the dart board.

I don't think your original offer was a overpay. It was a fair offer, but personally I rather trade Graves over Severson. I think the Devils could get a 1st and a b-prospect for Graves, for instance, from the Blues or Bruins. And what is also important, Graves' slot would be much easier to replace than Severson's.

 

[Blackjack]

If Severson plays similar hockey as he has played this season, I don't see any reason why they don't get a 1st for him. That's why I wouldn't trade him unless the offer is really good.


The most Devils fans think Severson is a (really) good second pairing dman, but the question is, is he a core player for the team. I mean they have to pay $6-6,5 mil per year for him, if he re-signs with the Devils. After that they would pay almost $20 mil for their right handed dmen, and that is a lot of money.

As Goldman wrote:

"Why isn’t Severson as much of a consideration as a core piece that could help get this team back to the playoffs? His trajectory has a lot to do with it. He’s 27 years old now, but at the start of his next contract in 2023-24, he’ll be 29. At that phase in his career, as the work of Cam Lawrence, now of the Columbus Blue Jackets, and Luke and Josh Younggren of Evolving-Hockey, on aging curves shows, he’ll probably be past his prime at that point. Even more worrisome to a signing team is how he’ll trend over the life of his next contract, seeing as most defensemen tend to rapidly decline into their 30s.

That probably won’t line up with the Devils’ timeline, especially if he asks for a significant raise at that point — and given his play these last few seasons, he’s in every right to do so.

Between Jack Hughes, Nico Hischier, and Hamilton, management has over $24 million in cap space tied up between three players for the foreseeable future. If Jesper Bratt gets extended, it’s possible he gets a significant raise to put him in that conversation for core costs. Contenders rightfully tend to invest a lot of cap space in their best players, but when there’s that much cap space dedicated to so few players, it’s important to optimize value. Signing a player into the 30s may not do that. "

Why the Devils should consider moving Damon Severson, and why playoff teams should be interested


I don't think your original offer was a overpay. It was a fair offer, but personally I rather trade Graves over Severson. I think the Devils could get a 1st and a b-prospect for Graves, for instance, from the Blues or Bruins. And what is also important, Graves' slot would be much easier to replace than Severson's.

I mean, if we can get a first for Graves we should absolutely do it. He’s much worse than Severson and nearly the same age.

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

I mean, if we can get a first for Graves we should absolutely do it. He’s much worse than Severson and nearly the same age.

I wouldn't be surprised if they can get a 1st for him. The Devils paid a late 2nd and Maltsev for him before the expansion draft. His value was lower then, because there weren't many teams that could protect him. Graves has been pretty good this season, so I think his value has gone a little bit up.

There are many GMs who values big dmen who can skate and have some puck skills. Of course, Graves might be too adventurous sometimes, which may slightly decrease his value.

 

[DaveG]

I actually don't hate this but I'm also very bullish on Severson in our system. Getting an extension worked out would be key though, expensive if it ended up being a rental+1, but very doable if it ended up being reasonable long term.