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Just watched the game. Several times I noticed him making confident plays that he wouldn't have attempted two weeks ago. I want to see that continue vs. Boston.
Player Discussion Nils Lundkvist
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Amazing Kreiderman
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He's quite good at absorbing hits. He's been doing that against bigger players for years. Cizikas, who Lundkvist just brushed off, is strong enough to pin down Trouba in the corner.
I never really believed in the "play the bigger guy" narrative when that bigger guy is a f***ing pylon like Tinordi.
For me, it comes down to Lundkvist adjusting to the speed of the game to be able to think the game and react appropriately. He has seemed very slow in his ability to read and make plays at both ends of the ice, but especially at the defensive end. And I think it has put him in vulnerable positions to get hit, not being so elusive as he could be.
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Again, complete deviation from the comment that you originally made. I'm not at all defending nemeth who has not been spectacular so far, but it's like trying to compare a truck versus a smart car and say which one is better. They both play completely different roles and serve different purposes. So far neither one has been good at what they're supposed to be doing. I have no idea why this is being turned into a Nils versus nemeth thing. Neither one has been good overall
32 minutes.
Again, I’m not defending him. I don’t think he’s good but the sample size is laughable
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They also play different sides. If anything, the discussion should be Nemeth vs Jones.
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Jones plays both sides. He's playing on the right in Hartford
There's great value in that.
Jones and Lundkvist can work if the pairs are changed
KAM Fox
Jones Trouba
Lindgren Lundkvist
Have Robertson and Schneider rounding things out in the AHL and ready if needed.
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I think, considering the position New York is in, there are several ways to do this. Either you keep Lundkvist in his rookie season, or alternate him and Jones in stretches during the season. I want Lundkvist to play but it also feels kind of dirty Jones is down there, he doesn't deserve that, he's NHL ready. That's the fair part.
But, since I'm a Lundkvist fan, I won't protest NYR giving Lundkvist the chance to feel the wheels for an entire season and keep Jones waiting for injuries. I think Nils will only improve once he has adapted to the NHL tempo and the small rink more and more. He will adapt. Wait until he starts pushing, pinching and most of all; shooting. His shot is nasty by any standard. And then you will realize what kind of hockey is "his kind of game." Now he just plays like a safe two-way defenseman to keep things safe, he's not that. He wants his shift to score. He has played conservative hockey while learning the ropes, nothing wrong about that. He's intelligent enough to not make his learning process a liability for the team, you have to give him that. He won't start evolving into his game until he feels he has the new tempo in the bones.
I just feel bad for Jones. He's also deserving of a shot.
Nemeth isn't mobile nor skilled enough to allow Lundkvist to play his game. I don't think Trouba would object to play with a strong skating, puck moving defenseman as Jones.
But, since I'm a Lundkvist fan, I won't protest NYR giving Lundkvist the chance to feel the wheels for an entire season and keep Jones waiting for injuries. I think Nils will only improve once he has adapted to the NHL tempo and the small rink more and more. He will adapt. Wait until he starts pushing, pinching and most of all; shooting. His shot is nasty by any standard. And then you will realize what kind of hockey is "his kind of game." Now he just plays like a safe two-way defenseman to keep things safe, he's not that. He wants his shift to score. He has played conservative hockey while learning the ropes, nothing wrong about that. He's intelligent enough to not make his learning process a liability for the team, you have to give him that. He won't start evolving into his game until he feels he has the new tempo in the bones.
I just feel bad for Jones. He's also deserving of a shot.
That's a very interesting idea. Lindgren is used to being solid support for a more roaming kind of D partner. That's exactly what made Lundkvist bloom in Luleå, a skilled, mobile and defensive minded partner. And Fox is good enough to find a constellation with Miller.
Nemeth isn't mobile nor skilled enough to allow Lundkvist to play his game. I don't think Trouba would object to play with a strong skating, puck moving defenseman as Jones.
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Amazing Kreiderman
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Lundqvist can carry the puck and play the point on the power play. I've yet to figure out what exactly Nemeth adds to the team other than being a large man. Tinordi is also that, as are lots of AHL defensemen.
We're not likely to agree about anything concerning Lundqvist.
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Nemeth is much better than tinordi and is a pk 3rd pairing version of what girardi shouldve been with this team. you need those players for a successful team structure and if this team is in the playoffs this year nemeth is the kind of player that with his size and body will hopefully become more valuable to the team in a tough series.
We can't agree on anything regarding Nils bc you haven't said anything about Nils. You keep referencing statistics about nemeth or somehow are trying to use nemeth's struggles to justify Nils. There is no substance to anything you have said about Nils. You've actually made more comments on nemeth than anything. If you were to say something about Nils like He's slowly improving with the more time that he spent in and around the league, or that having some games off to observe and then get right back into the lineup is becoming beneficial for him, or that there may be potentially a way to keep Nils in the NHL possibly alternating playing and sitting if the team is willing to recall somebody like Jones to also play every other game and alternate with him bc it could be beneficial for both and we wouldn't have to dress tinordi, then I would have something to potentially agree with you on regarding Nils.
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If I could add into this discussion, I believe NYR has room so far into the season to give a spot to Jones. Gallant likes to fine tune the car, I like to fine tune the car. We all love to fine tune the car, all are in agreement.
Just change the pairings. Miller/ Lindgren with Fox, one defensive minded and one offensive minded maniac. Same with Jones and Trouba where Trouba can be more laid back - unless he sees a moment and Jones backs down.
If NYR can afford to have one good defensive pillar and one offensive maniac on every D-pairing things could happen. And then the forwards would get used to that kind of model, and so on... not only that, the quality of all those pairings would have interesting potential with alot of skill on every pairing.
What happens when the units are expecting rotation between positions and real cycling in the unit when you attack? Goddamn Soviet hockey! Mayhem for the opponents to cover.
@duhmetreE is on to something here. Nemeth and Tinordi are good depth players to have. But at least try to roll with a constellation where you always have a puck moving, mobile defenseman on D.
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The issue is we didn't give nemeth that contract to be a 7d here. This board was celebrating that signing when it happened. I don't consider any player pair with tinordi at this point to be bad bc everyone w tinordi will look bad. He has been awful. The issue is we have hajek still here bc of waivers that prevents a legitimate alternate player to come up and possibly rotate w Nils. Hajek needs to be waived and sent down. The fact is still here and hasn't played makes absolutely no sense. I can understand it if gorts was still the GM because that was his guy that he wanted in the trade, but Drury has really no connection to him and I don't understand why he's just taking up this roster spot. Tinordi should be the one in that role of basically not dressing it all except if there's an emergency and being the d8. That could open up a spot for an actual D7 to be here and rotate with nils for the time being. Hajek has absolutely no future here at this point unless they're going to trade tinordi And bring in a real D7 option
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What the heck is Hajek doing in this issue? Who? What the heck? Drury?! What happened here buddy? Are you being an unexperienced, "ol' buddy yes sayer center" to management again? To which management? It's laughable. The only concern I have about this organization now is having Chris ******* Drury as the GM. How could things go so wrong? I agree on that point regardless if that's what you mean. I miss words how this can even be an issue. An absolute moron.
If Drury's master piece with crayons cannot be solved, just dump Hajek, who cares if he's... or ok, I don't know enough about Hajek but this feels like a ridiculous situation to have. How the hell did this happen?
I think we all agree Tinordi is just a depth player who should just jump in if it's panic mode with the injuries. Otherwise he can practice and eat popcorn. Nemeth can be the 7th. I completely missed the Hajek situation, I'm dumbfounded how a GM can be so useless.
Undoubtedly the team will start to make moves in the very near future, once the season has settled in and teams know where they are - buyers or sellers. Hajek's uncomfortable positions should be resolved soon.
I think people celebrated the Nemeth signing because it meant the end of the Hajek- Smith disaster, also it beefed up the roster a bit. Personally I expected Nils to be more of a puck mover than he is, more in the Jones style, which would have helped cover Nemeth's shortcomings. Now it's clear they are not a complementary fit, and Nemeth has shown he is limited. As for Nils I think he will become a fantastic player in his own right. He is in the middle of acclimatizing but that's fine. I like Jones a lot, but I do think Nils has the higher upside when it comes to directly impacting a game. The coaches and Nils are doing a good job.
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Beyond all of this I think it's stark seeing the difference between Nils this year on a better team and sheltered minutes vs Jones last year on a complete dumpster fire of a team.
Hajek situation was supposed to be handled before rosters were do, then shortly after the season started, and now it's almost December and here we are still. It is just frustrating. I will say if this is the biggest thing we need to debate with the team rolling that's a good thing!
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There shouldn't be a rush to do anything and I'm OK with giving Lundquist and Nemeth more games. Almost certainly, injuries and COVID protocol will hit and Jones and Tinordi will see action in big games. If anything, I'd send Tinordi down to HFD for a conditioning stint so he's ready. We don't have to be like the piles with their paper thin roster and barren farm. We've got the depth and the prospects to survive the disruption that every team will experience in COVID season 3.
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Lundkvist has wisely played very conservatively to start his NA career. He is now starting to be more aggressive in the defensive end. The hitting and overall attraction to contact is very encouraging. I may be projecting but I think he’s a really coming along quickly. We really have a ton of talent on the blueline.
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IDK why but I can picture Lundkvist playing the majority of the season but then Jones taking his spot in the playoffs.
Nemeth won't come out because we need a vet and PKer.
Nemeth won't come out because we need a vet and PKer.
If we play a leftie on the right side during a PO series, dumping the puck into that corner and hammering that D finishing every hit becomes one of the keys for any team we play.
