Prospect Info: Nils Lundkvist: Part II

[Thirty One]

Maybe I should’ve used a percentage as a proxy then, because cap growth is going to increase contract size too

Well then I don't think the three of them will combine for $20M in today's dollars.

 

[pblawr]

For gods sake. I have watched Miller tons of times, and have given detailed analysis of his play regularly in his thread. It’s not lazy - I’m probably one of 10 posters on this sub forum that have actually watched him play more than once, and don’t just look at this stats.

I never said he was a soft player. I said he was probably softer than the three small defenseman we have (almost certainly true, doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing), as a way of explaining to not judge a player purely on how big they are. Again, I wasn’t describing K’Andre, I was comparing a trait of his to other players, because this trait is often misconstrued. Zdeno Chara is probably softer than Tony DeAngelo. He ain’t soft though.

And then you come in dropping F bombs because you misunderstood my post. Maybe I didn’t make my point as clear as it should have been, but I’m not backtracking. I have no reason to. The toxicity in here can really be something.

I get where you are coming from, but also:





Miller is not shy about being physical when it's relevant to the hockey play and when he is physical, he's clearly the strongest player on the ice.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I get where you are coming from, but also:





Miller is not shy about being physical when it's relevant to the hockey play and when he is physical, he's clearly the strongest player on the ice.

I cannot WAIT for him to turn pro.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Juniors is a long time ago. His natural side is RD. Given his defensive issues, why are we in a hurry to push him to his off side?

For that matter, that goes for both Fox & DeAngelo. They are right D. It is incredibly difficult to switch sides, no matter what your level of IQ is. Why not just keep them where they are and develop or bring in LD??

the sample size isn't big, but he's crushed it at LD at the NHL level.

I wouldn't assume that he can't handle it and his defensive issues are overblown. He's had to haul Staal's useless ass around this year.

 

[True Blue]

Well the definition in context of this conversation would be good enough to be trading one or more of your best prospects to make a bigger run.

And with that definition and your timeline the pieces of everything just don’t fit well enough for me to think it’s a good idea to trade him

I am not volunteering to trade him. I am, however, not moving DeAngelo or Fox based on his promise. And as I am in no hurry to trade either of them, he can marinate until he forces the conversation. Then and only then, can there be a rational discussion on who goes and who stays. But that is a ways away.

 

[True Blue]

the sample size isn't big, but he's crushed it at LD at the NHL level.

I wouldn't assume that he can't handle it and his defensive issues are overblown. He's had to haul Staal's useless ass around this year.

The sample is tiny and not one that can yield any real pratical result. And his defensive issues are not overblown, they are what they are. He has not looked great defending and that is with sheltered defensive minutes Right now, he is a deficient defensive player. But again, with his type of offensive prowess, you learn to live with the warts and concentrate to finding him a defensive partner.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The sample is tiny and not one that can yield any real pratical result. And his defensive issues are not overblown, they are what they are. He has not looked great defending and that is with sheltered defensive minutes Right now, he is a deficient defensive player. But again, with his type of offensive prowess, you learn to live with the warts and concentrate to finding him a defensive partner.

You make my point for me though, you can't just assume that it wont work out. I agree that we need to see it over a larger sample size, but right now the evidence that is available points towards him being able to handle it more so than the opposite.

his defensive minutes aren't really sheltered either. Again, he's doing the equivalent of sprinting up 20 flights of stairs with a 215 LB vest strapped to his body playing with Staal. He hasn't gotten the top, top competition available on a regular basis, but he hasn't been facing 4th liners all the time either.

I wouldn't want him in that role anyway. He should be on the left side paired with Fox eating other teams' middle 6 lines alive.

 

[True Blue]

You make my point for me though, you can't just assume that it wont work out. I agree that we need to see it over a larger sample size, but right now the evidence that is available points towards him being able to handle it more so than the opposite.

One cannot assume anything, but one can make certain logical deductions.

his defensive minutes aren't really sheltered either. Again, he's doing the equivalent of sprinting up 20 flights of stairs with a 215 LB vest strapped to his body playing with Staal. He hasn't gotten the top, top competition available on a regular basis, but he hasn't been facing 4th liners all the time either..

You are blaming too much Staal for what DeAngelo is. He is not playing the PK. He is barely on ice for defensive draws. He is never on the ice when the opposition's top players are. That is pretty much sheltered.

I wouldn't want him in that role anyway. He should be on the left side paired with Fox eating other teams' middle 6 lines alive.

He is deficient on defense on his natural side and you want to move him to his off side? And he and Fox should never be a pair. They will get crushed by any 2nd line that has any kind of size.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

One cannot assume anything, but one can make certain logical deductions.

You are blaming too much Staal for what DeAngelo is. He is not playing the PK. He is barely on ice for defensive draws. He is never on the ice when the opposition's top players are. That is pretty much sheltered.

He is deficient on defense on his natural side and you want to move him to his off side? And he and Fox should never be a pair. They will get crushed by any 2nd line that has any kind of size.

None of this is true, especially the bolded, but here we go.

It's not a logical deduction when all the actual evidence we have at this level is him excelling in that role.

Staal is one of the WORST, if not the worst player in the league at the position of defense. Every single meaningful measurable statistic of DeAngelo's skyrockets away from Staal. Barely on the ice for Defensive draw is untrue as well, just because he gets heavier usage in the offensive zone does NOT mean that he doesn't get any D zone draws (I think the split is 57/43.) This isn't really a good point though, most shifts start on the fly. He's on the ice against the opposition's top players plenty, smart coaches are salivating to get their best players out there against Staal.

Fox and DeAngelo have been amazing together. They're both quick enough and excellent at moving the puck out of their own end, size can't really combat that.

 

[True Blue]

It's not a logical deduction when all the actual evidence we have at this level is him excelling in that role.

If your actual evidence consists of what he did at some point in juniors and the tiniest of tiny sample sizes this year? That sounds logical when sighting evidence?

 

[Thirty One]

If your actual evidence consists of what he did at some point in juniors and the tiniest of tiny sample sizes this year? That sounds logical when sighting evidence?

I mean, he's played 84 minutes at even strength with Fox this year and 27 with Trouba. That's 111 minutes. Is that the tiniest? I can think of a lot of numbers smaller than 111. 84. 56. 32. That's just off the top of my head.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I thought there was some Lundkvist news after taking a nap, but nope. People just talking about how soft K'Andre Miller is here

 

[McRanger]

I mean, he's played 84 minutes at even strength with Fox this year and 27 with Trouba. That's 111 minutes. Is that the tiniest? I can think of a lot of numbers smaller than 111. 84. 56. 32. That's just off the top of my head.

1 is a tiny number. 111 is 3 times tinier.

 

[Vitto79]

So is the plan to sign Lundqvist or 1 year overseas still?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

So is the plan to sign Lundqvist or 1 year overseas still?

This'll be fun for years

 

[kovazub94]

I mean, he's played 84 minutes at even strength with Fox this year and 27 with Trouba. That's 111 minutes. Is that the tiniest? I can think of a lot of numbers smaller than 111. 84. 56. 32. That's just off the top of my head.

Equivalent of 6 games. I’d call it tiny too.

Also a factor for not being indicative is due to the fact that the Rangers were in position where they needed to force the issue offensively while the other team was protecting a lead, and therefore, more conservative trying to avoid mistakes rather than take advantage on offense.

 

[Harbour Dog]

This'll be fun for years

What have you got against Joel?

 

[GAGLine]

What have you got against Joel?

He's not as handsome as his brother.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

So is the plan to sign Lundqvist or 1 year overseas still?

Sign him. Zero reason to not bring him aboard. Can always loan him back. But I'd rather he go to the A after this season and, like McDonagh, put in half a season or so down there.

 

[offdacrossbar]

One cannot assume anything, but one can make certain logical deductions.

You are blaming too much Staal for what DeAngelo is. He is not playing the PK. He is barely on ice for defensive draws. He is never on the ice when the opposition's top players are. That is pretty much sheltered.

He is deficient on defense on his natural side and you want to move him to his off side? And he and Fox should never be a pair. They will get crushed by any 2nd line that has any kind of size.

you sure bro ? thats just not true

he played 26 mins the other night. more than any other defender. pretty sure thats against more than just bottom 6 forwards.

check your numbers.

 

[JimmyG89]

Sign him. Zero reason to not bring him aboard. Can always loan him back. But I'd rather he go to the A after this season and, like McDonagh, put in half a season or so down there.

Imagine having Miller, Keane, Lundkvist, and Reunanen as the top 4 in Hartford to start the season next year. In fact, there is a chance you have Hajek or Rykov there as well. That defense is going to be loaded with talent for next season.

 

[True Blue]

you sure bro ? thats just not true

he played 26 mins the other night. more than any other defender. pretty sure thats against more than just bottom 6 forwards.

check your numbers.

Yes, by and large it is basically true

 

[True Blue]

Imagine having Miller, Keane, Lundkvist, and Reunanen as the top 4 in Hartford to start the season next year. In fact, there is a chance you have Hajek or Rykov there as well. That defense is going to be loaded with talent for next season.

I doubt that Miller will be there. Lundqvist may or may not be. I could see Reunanen coming over.

 

[Irishguy42]

Yes, by and large it is basically true

Citation needed for claims like this.

 

[Leetch3]

I doubt that Miller will be there. Lundqvist may or may not be. I could see Reunanen coming over.

i doubt any of them are there...no guarantee that Nils is even over next year. my hope is that teams with lots of swedish dmen are in the playoffs opening the possibility of him getting a look for the world championships