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Nikita Kucherov is the clear favorite for the Art Ross Trophy

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jigglysquishy

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Video Nasty said:
Haven’t heard a peep about it this year. That definitely belongs in the recent HFBoards double standards thread.

Hell, McDavid has a better plus/minus than Kucherov and MacKinnon combined.

Oh, here’s another good one that was beaten to death last season.

Percentage of points coming off the PP:

Kucherov 39.6%
MacKinnon 35.6%
McDavid 33.0%

Funny how that stance has gone completely silent as well.
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In terms of leading the league in EVP

Gretzky did it 11x (80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,90,91)

Howe 4x (51,52,53,54)
McDavid 4x (17,18,19,21)
Esposito 4x (69,71,73,74)
Jagr 3x (96,99,01)
Mikita 3x (64,65,67)
Lafleur 3x (76,77,78)

That's it for 3 or more times after WW II. Lemieux only did it twice.
 
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bobholly39 said:
As of this morning:

Kucherov on pace for 137 points and 50 goals in 81 games. He has 19 games to go.
MacKinnon on pace for 134 points and 49 goals in 82 games. He has 20 games to go.
McDavid on pace for 136 points and 104 assists in 80 games. He has 23 games to go.
Matthews on pace for 108 points and 73 goals in 81 games. He has 21 games to go.

If race ends up exactly like this and Tampa makes playoffs, I think Kucherov still wins the hart.

But with ~19-23 games to go, it's still possible that any of the 4 win. I still want to see Matthews reduce the point gap at the top, he needs to be within ~15-20 points ideally to win the hart, if he's 30+ back it'll be very hard.
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Nylander on pace for 113 points in 82 games.

No, Matthews has no shot at the Hart. And besides, this is the Art Ross thread.
 
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bobholly39 said:
As of this morning:

Kucherov on pace for 137 points and 50 goals in 81 games. He has 19 games to go.
MacKinnon on pace for 134 points and 49 goals in 82 games. He has 20 games to go.
McDavid on pace for 136 points and 104 assists in 80 games. He has 23 games to go.
Matthews on pace for 108 points and 73 goals in 81 games. He has 21 games to go.

If race ends up exactly like this and Tampa makes playoffs, I think Kucherov still wins the hart.

But with ~19-23 games to go, it's still possible that any of the 4 win. I still want to see Matthews reduce the point gap at the top, he needs to be within ~15-20 points ideally to win the hart, if he's 30+ back it'll be very hard.
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bobholly39 said:
McDavid always gets so much attention, nobody noticed MacKinnon was off to an even worst start.

4 Months ago exatctly - on November 4th:

McDavid - 8 games, 10 points, good for 77th in league scoring
MacKinnon - 10 games, 9 points, good for 93rd in league scoring

Since November 5th:

MacKinnon - 52 games, 92 points, 1.77 ppg
Kucherov - 51 games, 89 points, 1.75 ppg
McDavid - 49 games, 87 points, 1.78 ppg

The three players are really neck and neck since November. Difference is, Kucherov also had a decent October, and so he remains ahead today.
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I like this next one even more.

Since this thread was created:

McDavid 77 points in 40 games (1.93 PPG).

MacKinnon 77 points in 43 games (1.79 PPG).

Kucherov 70 points in 42 games (1.67 PPG)
 
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Video Nasty said:
Haven’t heard a peep about it this year. That definitely belongs in the recent HFBoards double standards thread.

Hell, McDavid has a better plus/minus than Kucherov and MacKinnon combined.

Oh, here’s another good one that was beaten to death last season.

Percentage of points coming off the PP:

Kucherov 39.6%
MacKinnon 35.6%
McDavid 33.0%

Funny how that stance has gone completely silent as well.
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When McDavid is leading in scoring, powerplay points, +/-, and minutes played all matter. We knew all of that was nonsense and it's no surprise no one is posting that now.
 
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Video Nasty said:
I like this next one even more.

Since November 24th (the day this thread was created):

McDavid 81 points in 41 games (1.98 PPG)

MacKinnon 77 points in 43 games (1.79 PPG)

Kucherov 70 points in 42 games (1.67 PPG)
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Kucherov has 76 points since Nov 24th. You are showing his stats since Nov 25th and the others stats since Nov 24th.
 
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ricky0034 said:
wouldn't be the first time voters gave Matthews a Hart he didn't deserve because he had flashy goal numbers

but yeah he won't even come close to the Art Ross
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It's down to 3 for the Ross to my eye.

Having said that, scoring 70 goals is unreal and definitely worthy of praise.
 

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Video Nasty said:
Haven’t heard a peep about it this year. That definitely belongs in the recent HFBoards double standards thread.

Hell, McDavid has a better plus/minus than Kucherov and MacKinnon combined.

Oh, here’s another good one that was beaten to death last season.

Percentage of points coming off the PP:

Kucherov 39.6%
MacKinnon 35.6%
McDavid 33.0%

Funny how that stance has gone completely silent as well.
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Eh, PP points were used against Kuch in 18-19 as well. And against Crosby in 06-07. And as a positive for McDavid in 17-18 when the Oilers were getting no PPOs. It’s always been a thing people have used when there’s a disparity, but this year is close enough it hasn’t been brought up much, though Kucherov’s main negative that gets mentioned has been his 5v5 play not being as good as MacKinnon (and now McDavid). It was brought up last year because McDavid and the Oilers PP really stood out, moreso than any advantage for Kucherov this year. But only the real detractors cared because the overall picture was so dominant.
 

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Regal said:
Eh, PP points were used against Kuch in 18-19 as well. And against Crosby in 06-07. And as a positive for McDavid in 17-18 when the Oilers were getting no PPOs. It’s always been a thing people have used when there’s a disparity, but this year is close enough it hasn’t been brought up much, though Kucherov’s main negative that gets mentioned has been his 5v5 play not being as good as MacKinnon (and now McDavid). It was brought up last year because McDavid and the Oilers PP really stood out, moreso than any advantage for Kucherov this year. But only the real detractors cared because the overall picture was so dominant.
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People don't seem to know what context is.

In '18, Oilers were dead last in both PPO, and pp%. Winning the Ross with those condition was a miracle, McDavid had nearly 20 more ESP than any other player.

In '19, Kucherov was within 1 ESP of McDavid, plenty more PP points. If Edmonton had as many PPs as Tampa scoring at the rate they were, and McDavid produced on every single converted PP, he would have still come short of Kucherov.

Last year Mack had just 2 more ESP. Edmonton only had 14 more PPO than Colorado.


Now if a player had a stat line of 50 ESP and 80 PPP, while another has 90 ESP 30 PPP. I could see the the need to bring up powerplay points, otherwise, people are looking for problems where there are none.
 
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cupface52 said:
People don't seem to know what context is.

In '18, Oilers were dead last in both PPO, and pp%. Winning the Ross with those condition was a miracle, McDavid had nearly 20 more ESP than any other player.

In '19, Kucherov was within 1 ESP of McDavid, plenty more PP points. If Edmonton had as many PPs as Tampa scoring at the rate they were, and McDavid produced on every single converted PP, he would have still come short of Kucherov.

Last year Mack had just 2 more ESP. Edmonton only had 14 more PPO than Colorado.


Now if a player had a stat line of 50 ESP and 80 PPP, while another has 90 ESP 30 PPP. I could see the the need to bring up powerplay points, otherwise, people are looking for problems where there are none.
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As jiggly stated above, Mario f’ing Lemieux only led the league twice in EVP. Haters will find a way to hate no matter what.
 
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jigglysquishy said:
In terms of leading the league in EVP

Gretzky did it 11x (80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,90,91)

Howe 4x (51,52,53,54)
McDavid 4x (17,18,19,21)
Esposito 4x (69,71,73,74)
Jagr 3x (96,99,01)
Mikita 3x (64,65,67)
Lafleur 3x (76,77,78)

That's it for 3 or more times after WW II. Lemieux only did it twice.
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Crazy that McDavid will end up doing this as many or more times than Jagr and Lemieux combined
 
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