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Nikita Kucherov is the clear favorite for the Art Ross Trophy

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Breakfast of Champs said:
Ovi was clearly better from 08-10 than kucherov is now and also has far better longevity.

Better peak, far better longevity
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Peak is debatable (assuming that Kuch even has peaked at this point), but arguing longevity is absurd considering both are still playing and Ovechkin has been in the league far longer than Kucherov. Wait until Kuch retires, or at the very least shows some semblance of decline, before trying to make that case.

Also postseason Kucherov >>> postseason Ovechkin.
 
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Signupnow said:
Do you have a crystal ball we others do not have when speaking of his longevity? To this date he is breaking records and is about to sweep the awards.
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Sweep the awards you say? I say there's a pretty good chance he wins the AR and that is all. Certainly he won't win the rocket.

Ovi actually swept the awards  
 
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Sweep the awards you say? I say there's a pretty good chance he wins the AR and that is all. Certainly he won't win the rocket.

Ovi actually swept the awards  
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Sweeping awards is an incredible achievement.
After Connor I wonder who will be the next player to do it.

Gonna be hard to score more goals than Matthews and then beat out Kuch/Mack/Mcd for points.
 
Kucherov is definitely the better overall player. Scoring goals is no question ovi as he is one of the best ever to do it. But if I'm picking best overall to win a cup it's kucherov. He will score goals and help everyone else score goals too. I think he will also be good for a long time if he also stays healthy.
 
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Zwui21 said:
Go look at the (long) list of players that got 50+ goals in a season. Then go look the list of players that got 100+ assists in a season.
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Then look up the list of players who scored 50 goals and 137 points? Why are you so concentrated on the 50 goal part like MacKinnon isn't going to clear 90 assists?

You talk about MacKinnon like he's Hyman who scored 50 goals and like 30 assists? MacKinnon has 137 points and Kucherov has 139.

Do you really think McDavid who had 153 points last year is having a better season because he's going to get 100 assists this season? No 100 assists is just a dumb arbitrary number that means nothing. You're telling me McDavid would've been better off scoring less goals last season so he could get more assists?
 
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Muffin said:
Then look up the list of players who scored 50 goals and 137 points? Why are you so concentrated on the 50 goal part like MacKinnon isn't going to clear 90 assists?

You talk about MacKinnon like he's Hyman who scored 50 goals and like 30 assists? MacKinnon has 137 points and Kucherov has 139.

Do you really think McDavid who had 153 points last year is having a better season because he's going to get 100 assists this season? No 100 assists is just a dumb arbitrary number that means nothing. You're telling me McDavid would've been better off scoring less goals last season so he could get more assists?
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it’s empirically obvious that scoring 50 goals is easier than scoring 100 assists. You can muddy it up with cumulative stats all you want, but you said that goals were more important. So let’s see Mack score more goals than anyone else.
 
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RussianGuyovich said:
it’s empirically obvious that scoring 50 goals is easier than scoring 100 assists. You can muddy it up with cumulative stats all you want, but you said that goals were more important. So let’s see Mack score more goals than anyone else.
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The point is getting 137/139 points is difficult and it's more difficult getting there by scoring goals. Why do you think people are talking about Matthews even though he's not close in points.

Why are you making up arbitrary stats? What do you mean by "cumulative stats"? It's a FACT MacKinnon has 137 points. Why are you separating goals and assists like they don't count towards the points total?

Is it more impressive if someone had 100 assists vs someone who had 50 goals? Yes.
Is it more impressive if both players had 140 points but one got there 40g100a and the other 50g90a? HELL NO.
 
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CupsOverCash said:
Kucherov is definitely the better overall player. Scoring goals is no question ovi as he is one of the best ever to do it. But if I'm picking best overall to win a cup it's kucherov. He will score goals and help everyone else score goals too. I think he will also be good for a long time if he also stays healthy.
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Agreed. Ovechkin is a monster goal scorer but it took him 12 years post age 24 to even hit 90 damn points. Many seasons under a ppg or on the cusp as well. Outside top 10 in scoring etc. When its all said and done>
 
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Muffin said:
The point is getting 137/139 points is difficult and it's more difficult getting there by scoring goals. Why do you think people are talking about Matthews even though he's not close in points.

Why are you making up arbitrary stats? What do you mean by "cumulative stats"? It's a FACT MacKinnon has 137 points. Why are you separating goals and assists like they don't count towards the points total?

Is it more impressive if someone had 100 assists vs someone who had 50 goals? Yes.
Is it more impressive if both players had 140 points but one got there 40g100a and the other 50g90a? HELL NO.
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first, YOU separated goals and assists when you said goals count for more. thats strike one

secondly, people are talking about matthews because .....he's setting a record that hasn't been broken in almost 20 years. kinda like kuch. ceteris paribus, yeah if you have a less than record setting amount of assists, maybe you'd have a point. just like mack has less than a record setting amount of goals. it's not that impressive to have 50. that's strike two

and lastly, i didn't make up any stats, you dont know what words mean and thats not my fault. and it's more impressive because kuch has more points. greater than, sucka. you're out muffin man
 
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Muffin said:
The point is getting 137/139 points is difficult and it's more difficult getting there by scoring goals. Why do you think people are talking about Matthews even though he's not close in points.

Why are you making up arbitrary stats? What do you mean by "cumulative stats"? It's a FACT MacKinnon has 137 points. Why are you separating goals and assists like they don't count towards the points total?

Is it more impressive if someone had 100 assists vs someone who had 50 goals? Yes.
Is it more impressive if both players had 140 points but one got there 40g100a and the other 50g90a? HELL NO.
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So Matthews is more impressive than MacKinnon this season? Because he has a lot more goals. You have to come up with a formula for the importance of goals compared to assists.
 
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Nathaniel Skywalker said:
This post would have some merit if mack wasent also going to have 90+ assists. Easily having the better season. Mcdavid is the third best player this year. Nothing wrong with that. He is no 66 or 99 n thats fine
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hey, you're right. he's close. and he's got 51 goals and kuch has 43. thats close too. close counts now.
 
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