Nikita Kucherov is the clear favorite for the Art Ross Trophy

[Acallabeth]

finishing 3rd would be his WORST finish of his career since his rookie season where he was injured for 40 games

Past his prime?

 

[DFC]

MacKinnon is in on 46% of his teams goals. Kinda splitting hairs.

The Avs are getting a lot more goals from the bottom half of the lineup. That’s great for our spot in the standing but I don’t see how that props up MacKinnon individually in any way.

Most valuable to your team.

TB isn't/wasn't getting those goals from the bottom of our line up, and our defense was trash. More than that, our better players weren't putting pucks in the net very often without Kucherov creating the play. Every goal was important because we were just a bad team. Without Kucherov, we would have been far out of the playoff picture by the TDL.

Neither Stamkos nor Point would have cracked 70 this year without Kucherov. I'm not sure if either would have reached 60. Point is an amazing player, but he basically took the year off. He's back now, as seems to be the case with the entire team, including Vasy. It's been night and day since the TDL. But prior to that, we depended on Kucherov to create everything, and then Hagel was about the only guy providing secondary scoring.

 

[GoldenKnight]

MacK deserves the Hart, not sure he'll get the Ross though but he should pot more goals this year than either Kuch or McDavid.

 

[Master P]

MacK deserves the Hart, not sure he'll get the Ross though but he should pot more goals this year than either Kuch or McDavid.

The Hart doesn't go to the player with the most goals. They have another trophy for that.

 

[User9992]

Kuch is 51 Points ahead of his closest teammate!

Mackinnon is 29

McDavid is 27

 

[John Mandalorian]

Most valuable to your team.

TB isn't/wasn't getting those goals from the bottom of our line up, and our defense was trash. More than that, our better players weren't putting pucks in the net very often without Kucherov creating the play. Every goal was important because we were just a bad team. Without Kucherov, we would have been far out of the playoff picture by the TDL.

Neither Stamkos nor Point would have cracked 70 this year without Kucherov. I'm not sure if either would have reached 60. Point is an amazing player, but he basically took the year off. He's back now, as seems to be the case with the entire team, including Vasy. It's been night and day since the TDL. But prior to that, we depended on Kucherov to create everything, and then Hagel was about the only guy providing secondary scoring.

MacKinnon hasn’t elevated Drouin or even Makar?

 

[DFC]

MacKinnon hasn’t elevated Drouin or even Makar?

Certainly, but I don't think he was the only guy performing up to expectations for 60 games. TB had a goalie with a .890. They needed goals, and nobody else was doing it.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Kuch with a assist on the PP

 

[User9992]

Nikita Kucherov is 51 Points ahead of his closest teammate atm:
- He has 136 points, while his closest teammate (Point) has 85... that's a 51 points difference!

Compare it with other top scorers:
- Mackinnon has 29 more points than his closest teammate Rantanen
- McDavis has 27 more points than Draisaitl

 

[Ulysses31]

almost ass if you think

Nikita Kucherov is the clear favorite for the Art Ross Trophy

 

[EmptyNetAssassin]

Nikita Kucherov is 49 Points ahead of his closest teammate atm:
- He has 134 points, while his closest teammate (Point) has 85... that's a 49 points difference!

Compare it with other top scorers:
- Mackinnon has 29 more points than his closest teammate Rantanen
- McDavis has 27 more points than Draisaitl

Mcd and mck also play in easier divisions amd conferences top to bottom. Kuch definitely Is carrying his team even when the others were playing bad. Tampa division has 5/8 eastern playoff teams. Neither the oilers or the avs have that competition in their division.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Certainly, but I don't think he was the only guy performing up to expectations for 60 games. TB had a goalie with a .890. They needed goals, and nobody else was doing it.

So the award is best player on a fringe playoff team?

The funny thing is, as soon as people ask whether Point, Stamkos, or Point are first ballot (not suggesting they’re not btw), the same people saying they’re injured/underperforming this year will pivot and insist they’re great.

 

[Gnome17]

Mcd and mck also play in easier divisions amd conferences top to bottom. Kuch definitely Is carrying his team even when the others were playing bad.

Easier divisions and conferences? The west is better than the east.
That said I still have Kucherov as the Mvp leader, as much as that pains me. Its Kucherov>McDavid>Mackinnon for me right now.

 

[DFC]

So the award is best player on a fringe playoff team?

The funny thing is, as soon as people ask whether Point, Stamkos, or Point are first ballot (not suggesting they’re not btw), the same people saying they’re injured/underperforming this year will pivot and insist they’re great.

The award goes to the player most valuable to his own team. And Kucherov more/less willed TB into a playoff spot this year.

Point is great (probably not 1st ballot, but I digress). He has also had an off year (turned it up lately). Stamkos... Well, he's a PP specialist these days. He has like 35 ES points? And probably half of those are coming from Kucherov (just a guess).

The entire team had an off year, especially the defense. Look at the +/- numbers. We are not a good 5v5 team, and Kucherov has out-scored our problems.

 

[EmptyNetAssassin]

Easier divisions and conferences? The west is better than the east.
That said I still have Kucherov as the Mvp leader, as much as that pains me. Its Kucherov>McDavid>Mackinnon for me right now.

We don't have the sharks,hawks, and ducks which are basically ahl teams in the conference. Free wins and chances to stack up monster points. Go look at the conference points and records this year. The Canadians are Allstars compare to those teams. Kucherov had 5 points in a game against them and people freaked out. Imagine if he get to play those cupcakes 4-6 per season. Mck and mcd get those opportunies and he doesn't. He also carries his team more than Mck. Now McDavid is cursed stuck in Edmonton.

 

[John Mandalorian]

The award goes to the player most valuable to his own team. And Kucherov more/less willed TB into a playoff spot this year.

Point is great (probably not 1st ballot, but I digress). He has also had an off year (turned it up lately). Stamkos... Well, he's a PP specialist these days. He has like 35 ES points? And probably half of those are coming from Kucherov (just a guess).

The entire team had an off year, especially the defense. Look at the +/- numbers. We are not a good 5v5 team, and Kucherov has out-scored our problems.

The interpretation of “value” has become somewhat myopic. Value can simply mean most outstanding player. It’s become common place to interpret it as most valuable to a team.

Besides, no one is disputing MacKinnon plays on a better team. If you take Kucherov off the Lightning, they probably don’t make the playoffs. But if you take MacKinnon off of the Avs, the Avs are probably a fringe team instead of a contending team. The disparity or difference in each case is probably about the same. So this “if not for Kucherov, the Lightning don’t make the playoffs” becomes kind of a nothing argument.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Easily MVP imo.

 

[Regal]

Next closest teammate is such a terrible metric. But yes he has a great case for MVP

 

[Despote]

Mcd and mck also play in easier divisions amd conferences top to bottom. Kuch definitely Is carrying his team even when the others were playing bad. Tampa division has 5/8 eastern playoff teams. Neither the oilers or the avs have that competition in their division.

West is well ahead of East now. Just look at the snail race for East playoff spots.

 

[EmptyNetAssassin]

West is well ahead of East now. Just look at the snail race for East playoff spots.

Sorry we don't have as many bottom feeders as the west.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

will kuch hit 100 assists too?

 

[Fatass]

Next closest teammate is such a terrible metric. But yes he has a great case for MVP

I like using point total plus the player’s +/-.
Kooch is at 141. Mackinnon is at 164. McDavid is at 162. So, even though Kooch is having a great offensive year his total contribution is not as much as the other two.

 

[EmptyNetAssassin]

I like using point total plus the player’s +/-.
Kooch is at 141. Mackinnon is at 164. McDavid is at 162. So, even though Kooch is having a great offensive year his total contribution is not as much as the other two.

Weaker competition in both divisions top to bottom for mcd and mck. All three are great and can't go wrong with either. Also the mcs are centers and is easier to get secondary assist as a center. It is not shock to anyone that watches hockey there are always more centers at the top of the points department. We all love our franchise players. Only one way to settle it on the ice.

 

[User9992]

I like using point total plus the player’s +/-.
Kooch is at 141. Mackinnon is at 164. McDavid is at 162. So, even though Kooch is having a great offensive year his total contribution is not as much as the other two.

+/- is a team stat.

 

[Montreal Shadow]

Rantanen and Draisaitl are also much better than Point so this isn’t exactly fair. Kucherov wouldn’t be outscoring either of them by 50 pts if they were on his team.