Player Discussion Nick Suzuki Part 11

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Did you already forget your take last year?
Nope. I predicted CC would be our best player this season. That was based on the previous 82 games. I was wrong. Suzuki has had the better year.

My opinion has not changed. I still believe that Cc will have the better career. And if I’m wrong I’ll be here to say so.
 
I'm sure he thanks God every night he got to play with Suzuki and then with Suzuki and Dach during that stretch.

What does Caufield's rookie season have to do with Suzuki's consistency I'm wondering?
Something you should do is give credit where credit is due.

Caufield plays with Suzuki and blossoms.
Dach plays with Suzuki and blossoms.
Slaf plays with Suzuki and starts blossoming.

Totally coincidental I guess.
RHP too.
 
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Nope. I predicted CC would be our best player this season. That was based on the previous 82 games. I was wrong. Suzuki has had the better year.

My opinion has not changed. I still believe that Cc will have the better career. And if I’m wrong I’ll be here to say so.
No, you claimed that CC was driving Suzuki's production, and used Cherry picked sample size to try to justify it...

Bad take then, soundly disproven now. Instead of owning it and moving on, you keep shifting the goal post & filling the Suzuki thread with similar poor takes.

So odd... Wouldn't it be more fun just to enjoy that we have two of the best U25 talents we've seen around here in decades?
 
No, you claimed that CC was driving Suzuki's production, and used Cherry picked sample size to try to justify it...
No, I did not.

What I said was in response to the argument that Nick had nobody to play with and that was why he slumped. I said that was bogus and pointed to CC's consistent production, even in the face of Suzuki's slump. I said that Suzuki's slump started well before CC's departure and that was in fact the case.
Bad take then, soundly disproven now.
Happy to step up on what I argue. I'll do it all day long. I will not accept it on something I didn't say.

Again, my opinion hasn't changed.
 
No, I did not.

What I said was in response to the argument that Nick had nobody to play with and that was why he slumped. I said that was bogus and pointed to CC's consistent production, even in the face of Suzuki's slump. I said that Suzuki's slump started well before CC's departure and that was in fact the case.

Happy to step up on what I argue. I'll do it all day long. I will not accept it on something I didn't say.

Again, my opinion hasn't changed.
Your previous posts say otherwise...

Pointing to small sample sizes that conveniently support an otherwise unsustainable take is the epitome of a bad take.

But whatever, either way, it's odd the way you look to diminish Suzuki by propping up a teammate who has shown less. It's a bad take but also a very odd one to stay so anchored to.

Frankly, I hope CC finds a way to make you right in hindsight... With how locked in Suzuki is as a top line talent, it would only mean that CC has ascended to the absolute pinnacle of his potential. I'd be pleased to see that.
 
Nothing odd about providing an opinion.

It is odd though that you can't seem to let it go.

:facepalm: you've been talking about CC on Suzuki threads and posts for over a year now lol... Can't seem to let it go indeed :lol:
Perhaps people should stop asking me about it then.
Funny how bad takes and odd obsessions attract attention on a message board, who'd have thunk it :amazed:
 
:facepalm: you've been talking about CC on Suzuki threads and posts for over a year now lol... Can't seem to let it go indeed :lol:
I gave my opinion and people like yourself freaked out. And you keep calling me back into this thread.

Funny how bad takes and odd obsessions attract attention on a message board, who'd have thunk it :amazed:
Maybe it'll be a bad take. I don't think so. But if it is I'll be here to say so.

But my opinion hasn't changed. We'll see.
 
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I gave my opinion and people like yourself freaked out. And you keep calling me back into this thread.
Right... Now replying to your (bad) take = "freaked out".

Gaslighting only weakens the already poor take, why bother :dunno:

Maybe it'll be a bad take. I don't think so. But if it is I'll be here to say so.
It already is, that's the odd part.

But my opinion hasn't changed. We'll see.
Not much more to see here... Except Nick hitting 30 goals this year :naughty:
 
Maybe he just really is Bergeron level when it’s all said and done. Unsure if he gets that all time respect “aura”, probably only does if we win the cup, but style, reliability, and on ice contribution (200ft+offense), it’s looking like its all there
 
Yet again, Suzuki showing definitively that he is the best player on this roster...

What he could be putting up, pts-wise, if he played with linemates that could at least somewhat match his consistent performance level, would put him firmly in the top tier of NHL C's

Hopefully CC, Slaf, Newhook, Dach etc can get to a level of consistent performance sooner than later.

Crazy that some posters are still blind to just how good he is, right now.
Not only that, but there isn’t much insulation. The 2nd line is weak atm, so teams can focus on our top line. The fact he’s producing at this rate, with this roster, is amazing imo. Clearly a number 1 in my mind.
 
That’s the problem. It should change when faced with new evidence, but you stubbornly hang onto these silly takes forever. We know your opinion hasn’t changed, that won’t make it any more correct.
I’m more than happy to change my mind and have done so on numerous occasions.

But on this? Not yet. On the CC side, the underlying numbers are there, the shooting percentage is not. As I said before, last I looked he was 8th in shots, pacing for 312. Almost everyone in the top 20 are going to have 30 goals and more than a few will get 40+. CC will probably wind up at 25. Crazy. There’s every reason to believe this will normalize next year. He has a brilliant history and killed it right out of the gate. So I’m not ready to throw in the towel on him at this stage.

As for Suzuki, he’s played like a boss since the break. Getting some puck luck now but even in games where he doesn’t score he’s been awesome. But not long before the break he was pacing for his usual 65 points. He was his usual reliable self but not like he is now. So, is it a streak or is this him leveling up? I don’t know yet. I hope he’s leveled up. He’s shown he has the extra gear… maybe this is just him continuing to progress. But I’m not going to say that after 10-15 games.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to maintain my belief on this. And it would be disingenuous for me to just go along with you here - I simply don’t believe it - yet.

However, if we’re in December of next year and CC is shooting at like 5 percent again, then I’ll be genuinely worried. At that point it’s not just a bad year or slump or whatever, at a that point I’ll wonder if he has Chris Higgins syndrome. Ditto for Suzuki, if he stays hot for the end of the year and kills it next year? Then - yeah! I’ll be happy to say that he’s better than I expected.

I had hoped (and expected) that CC would be 40-50 this year. He wasn’t and Nick has been by far our best player. So I was definitely wrong on that. Maybe I’ll be wrong again going forward. If I am I’ll be here to say so. But there’s every reason to believe otherwise - at least in terms of Cc. And if I am wrong? Then honestly, buckle up. Because our rebuild is going to take a lot longer if he’s not a legit first line winger.

And no, it’s not misplaced or unfounded to argue what I’m arguing. I believe what I believe based on past performance and underlying play. Up until now, Suzuki has been a below average center. The mere fact that writers are now saying “he’s playing like a number one center” reinforce this. If he’s a number one why do you have to say it? Do you think there are articles in Crosby where they talk about him playing like a number one center? Of course not.

Likewise, up until now CC has been a premier sniper wherever he’s been and put up 48 in 82 right away. I see no reason why Cc wouldn’t maintain this going forward.

Hopefully Nick will maintain this gear and Cc produces. That’d be good all around.
 
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Likewise, up until now CC has been a premier sniper wherever he’s been and put up 48 in 82 right away. I see no reason why Cc wouldn’t maintain this going forward.
You don't see any reason why he won't hit 48 in 82 this year :amazed:

Man, I wish I had your optimism! 29goals in 23 games isn't impossible, but I sure wouldn't hold tightly to an opinion anchored to that expectation lol

Hopefully Nick will maintain this gear and Cc produces. That’d be good all around.

Indeed!
 
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You don't see any reason why he won't hit 48 in 82 this year :amazed:

Man, I wish I had your optimism! 29goals in 23 games isn't impossible, but I sure wouldn't hold tightly to an opinion anchored to that expectation lol



Indeed!
I don’t know what happened to you man. You used to be able to have some pretty solid debates.

Now you’re on your 7th emoji with more spammy crap. Either make an actual argument or move on.
 
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