Player Discussion Nick Suzuki Part 11

[Lafleurs Guy]

It's saying he played injured and wasn't 100% which is exactly what was reported and was evident in his play. I'm not sure what else it's supposed to mean.

How injured was he? When? He played through it, how bad could it be?

Every player gets hurt over the course of 82 games. They don’t all go into a month and a half slump.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I’m not going to chase my tail as you distort what I’ve said.

The proof is in the pudding, I’ve quoted word for word what you have said.

 

[Rapala]

How injured was he? When? He played through it, how bad could it be?

Every player gets hurt over the course of 82 games. They don’t all go into a month and a half slump.

He was injured enough to mention it the following season before camp.

Nobody said he played on one leg for three months. You said earlier go read the GDT's. Don't think I wasn't participating in those GDT's because I was. Everyone remarked on his play over that period but they also remarked on the entire team's slump. The more discerning memebers also talked about Suzuki's skating, apparent fatigue and health. If you go back and reread this thread when we first started discussing that time period. A number of members posted just about everything Marc Dumont came up with in his article. The thing is you refused to take any of it as valid reasoning including the speculation that he was carrying an injury. In your mind it was all due to Nick Suzuki being inconsistent. Nick Suzuki was inconsistent Cole Caufield was not. Finally when Suzuki admits he "definitely" was hurt you immediately shift gears and claim NHL players play hurt all the time there is nothing to it. Disengenuous Some?

You've been voted off the island

 

[Beer and Chips]

Anyhoo, lol. Find THE guy to complete our dynamic duo and he will be fine.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Anyhoo, lol. Find THE guy to complete our dynamic duo and he will be fine.

Gallagher is going to have a massive season.

I can see him scoring something like 19 goals on a line with Suzuki and Caufield.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He was injured enough to mention it the following season before camp.

Nobody said he played on one leg for three months. You said earlier go read the GDT's. Don't think I wasn't participating in those GDT's because I was. Everyone remarked on his play over that period but they also remarked on the entire team's slump. The more discerning memebers also talked about Suzuki's skating, apparent fatigue and health. If you go back and reread this thread when we first started discussing that time period. A number of members posted just about everything Marc Dumont came up with in his article. The thing is you refused to take any of it as valid reasoning including the speculation that he was carrying an injury. In your mind it was all due to Nick Suzuki being inconsistent. Nick Suzuki was inconsistent Cole Caufield was not. Finally when Suzuki admits he "definitely" was hurt you immediately shift gears and claim NHL players play hurt all the time there is nothing to it. Disengenuous Some?

You've been voted off the island

I heard nothing that explains the slump, sorry.

I’m open to the idea that he might’ve been hurt. But the slump corresponds exactly with Monahan going down. That makes a lot more sense.

 

[Beer and Chips]

Gallagher is going to have a massive season.

I can see him scoring something like 19 goals on a line with Suzuki and Caufield.

Some would think that unreasonable, I don't. Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Newhook, and Anderson hold five spots. I don't believe Monahan or RHP are options.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Some would think that unreasonable, I don't. Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Newhook, and Anderson hold five spots. I don't believe Monahan or RHP are options.

I really hope Roy turns into a top six next year. That would be so helpful.

Also, if we’re going to have him in the NHL, I’d hope we’d give Slaf some top six time.

 

[Rapala]

I heard nothing that explains the slump, sorry.

I’m open to the idea that he might’ve been hurt. But the slump corresponds exactly with Monahan going down. That makes a lot more sense.

When was your last hearing test done?

Everyone agrees the slump started the very minute Monahan went down and Dach moved to center.
It lasted the length of time it did for all the reasons people have been listing and Marc Dumont pointed out. This is exactly what people have been saying all along.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

When was your last hearing test done?

Everyone agrees the slump started the very minute Monahan went down and Dach moved to center.
It lasted the length of time it did for all the reasons people have been listing and Marc Dumont pointed out. This is exactly what people have been saying all along.

Speculation from a blogger counts for zero. Suzuki’s comments don’t tell us anything.

I was happy to hear what he said and listened with an open mind but he he didn’t really say anything.

Sorry, I don’t buy it. And I’m not going to listen to you paint it as though it’s fact. It is speculation on your part.

 

[danisonfire]

I really hope Roy turns into a top six next year. That would be so helpful.

Also, if we’re going to have him in the NHL, I’d hope we’d give Slaf some top six time.

He or Beck will figure it out they are way too smart to not make the NHL. They also both could work on the wing. Roy can play C/W and Beck can easily handle W with his game IQ.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He or Beck will figure it out they are way too smart to not make the NHL. They also both could work on the wing. Roy can play C/W and Beck can easily handle W with his game IQ.

I’d like to see Beck in the third. He becomes a good two way player who can take hard minutes. That’d be awesome.

Roy? I’m hoping he turns into Robitaille.

 

[danisonfire]

I’d like to see Beck in the third. He becomes a good two way player who can take hard minutes. That’d be awesome.

Roy? I’m hoping he turns into Robitaille.

They both could turn into that. I think it is likely one of them does. I would be surprised if neither ends up that player. They read the ice at a high level, head up. Both seem to be driven.

You could even put both on their off wing (opposite of the way they shoot). Roy shoots L, Beck shoots R. They both have more than respectable shots and this opens up a lot of high danger shooting angles. This is deadly on the PP and even ES. Their sticks are in the middle of the ice when they shoot and it really makes it harder for the goalies to cover. We should be doing this with all of our wingers and power-play units.

Roy RW
Beck LW

 

[Scriptor]

Speculation from a blogger counts for zero. Suzuki’s comments don’t tell us anything.

I was happy to hear what he said and listened with an open mind but he he didn’t really say anything.

Sorry, I don’t buy it. And I’m not going to listen to you paint it as though it’s fact. It is speculation on your part.

And your denial of anything that doesn't support your opinion about Suzukii s the only fact worth highlighting in this very repetitive thread.

Everything else is speculation.

At least, in your own way, you represent a truth.

That might barely save you from getting voted off the island.

 

[Scriptor]

They both could turn into that. I think it is likely one of them does. I would be surprised if neither ends up that player. They read the ice at a high level, head up. Both seem to be driven.

You could even put both on their off wing (opposite of the way they shoot). Roy shoots L, Beck shoots R. They both have more than respectable shots and this opens up a lot of high danger shooting angles. This is deadly on the PP and even ES. Their sticks are in the middle of the ice when they shoot and it really makes it harder for the goalies to cover. We should be doing this with all of our wingers and power-play units.

Roy RW
Beck LW

Roy has regularly played RW. He is even listed as a RW on the Habs' official page.

Beck should remain at C since his D-game is beyond reproach asa shutdown C and he is too good in the f/O circle to lose him as a C. His skating speed and quality shot bestow upon him an upside as a 2nd line, two-way C at the NHL level, IMO.

He could also become an elite third line C for a team with a top-9approach to scoring and three top Cs in Suzuki, Dach and beck who can all shutdown the opponents' best players, octopod putting points up on the scoreboard at even strength.

That C-Line (Suzuki - Dach - Beck) is built for the playoffs, IMO.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

They both could turn into that. I think it is likely one of them does. I would be surprised if neither ends up that player. They read the ice at a high level, head up. Both seem to be driven.

You could even put both on their off wing (opposite of the way they shoot). Roy shoots L, Beck shoots R. They both have more than respectable shots and this opens up a lot of high danger shooting angles. This is deadly on the PP and even ES. Their sticks are in the middle of the ice when they shoot and it really makes it harder for the goalies to cover. We should be doing this with all of our wingers and power-play units.

Roy RW
Beck LW

I’m guessing Beck is going to be a center. We’ll see I guess.

Roy I’m excited about. 5th round… anything he does is gravy. If he pans out, we look a lot better up front.

 

[danisonfire]

Roy has regularly played RW. He is even listed as a RW on the Habs' official page.

Beck should remain at C since his D-game is beyond reproach asa shutdown C and he is too good in the f/O circle to lose him as a C. His skating speed and quality shot bestow upon him an upside as a 2nd line, two-way C at the NHL level, IMO.

He could also become an elite third line C for a team with a top-9approach to scoring and three top Cs in Suzuki, Dach and beck who can all shutdown the opponents' best players, octopod putting points up on the scoreboard at even strength.

That C-Line (Suzuki - Dach - Beck) is built for the playoffs, IMO.

These are all just options. The fact they have the skills and ability to handle/adjust/learn it, is great. They are both prospects that seem to have what it takes and show willingness to improve.

For example I played Center 98% of the time but if I was thrown out late in a game with a random line I would get put LW (right shot). I was the best Center for taking faceoffs most years so I would take all the important faceoffs and we would just switch (me back to LW) at the first opportunity. If I won the draw that switch would be instant. All these options help our team.

I shoot right. On the power-play I could play the left half-wall (stick in middle of ice), up high (either shot works), or in the low, one timer spot on the right side of the ice.

 

[Scriptor]

These are all just options. The fact they have the skills and ability to handle/adjust/learn it, is great. They are both prospects that seem to have what it takes and show willingness to improve.

For example I played Center 98% of the time but if I was thrown out late in a game with a random line I would get put LW (right shot). I was the best Center for taking faceoffs most years so I would take all the important faceoffs and we would just switch (me back to LW) at the first opportunity. If I won the draw that switch would be instant. All these options help our team.

I shoot right. On the power-play I could play the left half-wall (stick in middle of ice), up high (either shot works), or in the low, one timer spot on the right side of the ice.

In the NCAA, that's what we saw, Caufield migrating to the left side to take shots from there. I recall him making those highlight goals from the boards over the G's shoulder (in a hole the size of the puck) on the left side.

Under MSL, he has been playing on the LW from the F/O dot onwards. It went from being an option to being a thing and Caufield has excelled at that position in the NHL so far. It also didn't become the glaring defensive weakness I thought it might become for Cole.

Roy has played RW for along time now and even became better defensively while playing his off wing. He's just so smart he can adapt and, if he can play at such a high level while still getting better looks for his shot on his off side, he should continue doing that.

Beck can be the winger that takes the F/Os and continues as the winger once we win or lose the puck, as you say, if we're looking house that talent in the dot, but I cans why some see a small (not 6'0" or more), speedy player with a good shot succeeding on the wing.

The key about size for a C, IMO, is his ability to win F/Os and battle for the puck one on one. Beck has a history of winning draws wherever he has played. Carbonneau was 5'11" as well and was one of the premiere F/O guys in the league for years. he was also quick (like Beck) and had smarts (like Beck) to anticpate developing plays and become a killer on the PK or at even strength by cutting passing lanes and stealing pucks together back on the offense.

Have some high hopes for Beck -- at C, but, obviously, if he has the skills to complete a top-6 line on the wing at a high level and provide a second F/O option at the same time, like with Dach as his C, it would be silly not to use him there.

 

[danisonfire]

In the NCAA, that's what we saw, Caufield migrating to the left side to take shots from there. I recall him making those highlight goals from the boards over the G's shoulder (in a hole the size of the puck) on the left side.

Under MSL, he has been playing on the LW from the F/O dot onwards. It went from being an option to being a thing and Caufield has excelled at that position in the NHL so far. It also didn't become the glaring defensive weakness I thought it might become for Cole.

Roy has played RW for along time now and even became better defensively while playing his off wing. He's just so smart he can adapt and, if he can play at such a high level while still getting better looks for his shot on his off side, he should continue doing that.

Beck can be the winger that takes the F/Os and continues as the winger once we win or lose the puck, as you say, if we're looking house that talent in the dot, but I cans why some see a small (not 6'0" or more), speedy player with a good shot succeeding on the wing.

The key about size for a C, IMO, is his ability to win F/Os and battle for the puck one on one. Beck has a history of winning draws wherever he has played. Carbonneau was 5'11" as well and was one of the premiere F/O guys in the league for years. he was also quick (like Beck) and had smarts (like Beck) to anticpate developing plays and become a killer on the PK or at even strength by cutting passing lanes and stealing pucks together back on the offense.

Have some high hopes for Beck -- at C, but, obviously, if he has the skills to complete a top-6 line on the wing at a high level and provide a second F/O option at the same time, like with Dach as his C, it would be silly not to use him there.

First Bold:

I agree.

Second Bold:

Close games with a defensive zone face-off are probably the most frequent situation where it comes into play. You would put out two Centers (with the second one on a wing) to make sure you have someone if the first center is thrown out. If a winger used to play center and has that skill, even better. I have seen this on the PK, PP and ES (two center's). Little things like this seem less important but they all add up so fast.

Random:

Winning the puck from stoppages in play is a huge positive to your time of possession. It helps reduce the time the puck is in your zone and increases the time in the other teams zone.

This is one of the most important things for offensive production. It isn't as magnified in the NHL because the gap in face-off numbers is reasonable from top to bottom. IF you have ever played any of the EA NHL's online you will truly understand how powerful it is. When your team has 2 face-offs won and the other team has 24 face-offs won you will almost never have the puck across center. We need as many guys that are good at face-offs as possible

 

[MasterD]

I’d like to see Beck in the third. He becomes a good two way player who can take hard minutes. That’d be awesome.

Roy? I’m hoping he turns into Robitaille.

I think Beck has a John Madden (NJD) type of career in front of him. That'd be great for the Habs.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

An excellent article, behind a paywall, sadly, about the status of the Montreal Canadiens going forward with Suzuki as the core centerman, when he's mostly finished developing and barely among (if he is) the top 32 centers in the league and has highly limited defensive acumen.

Canadiens’ big question: Are Nick Suzuki and Cole Caufield key pieces of a contending core?

Improvement at the top of the lineup is going to be necessary for the Canadiens this season. Can Suzuki and Caufield provide that?

theathletic.com

 

[Colezuki]

An excellent article, behind a paywall, sadly, about the status of the Montreal Canadiens going forward with Suzuki as the core centerman, when he's mostly finished developing and barely among (if he is) the top 32 centers in the league and has highly limited defensive acumen.

Canadiens’ big question: Are Nick Suzuki and Cole Caufield key pieces of a contending core?

Improvement at the top of the lineup is going to be necessary for the Canadiens this season. Can Suzuki and Caufield provide that?

theathletic.com

Garbage article, he basically posits that suzukis defensive game imploded to get 66 pts, where it's the opposite, he had to carry ECHL quality at times once Cole went down. I'm expecting a significant uptick in both this year assuming the team can stay healthy and I don't expect gentile to ever discuss how his model was wrong again.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

Garbage article, he basically posits that suzukis defensive game imploded to get 66 pts, where it's the opposite, he had to carry ECHL quality at times once Cole went down. I'm expecting a significant uptick in both this year assuming the team can stay healthy and I don't expect gentile to ever discuss how his model was wrong again.

Quite the opposite. Suzuki's defensive play was always poor; Habs fans are merely unable to perceive it because of their bias.

This article should be a splash of cold water on the irrational and utterly unsupported notion that Suzuki is a quality two-way forward, the next Bergeron, as so many in the fanbase hailed him.

 

[Redux91]

Quite the opposite. Suzuki's defensive play was always poor; Habs fans are merely unable to perceive it because of their bias.

This article should be a splash of cold water on the irrational and utterly unsupported notion that Suzuki is a quality two-way forward, the next Bergeron, as so many in the fanbase hailed him.

Damn and I though LG's take was bad lol
This is just sad.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Damn and I though LG's take was bad lol
This is just sad.

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