Player Discussion Nick Suzuki Part 11

[Rapala]

I mean were they excellent or do we just not have players that are all that good offensively? Chicken and egg when it comes to the Habs. For example. if you check Carter hart's save % vs us that year and compare it to his save % against his next opponent (NYI) it's a large difference. Regardless, none of those guys were at Price's god mode level during the run to the final I think you'd admit that.

Maybe you should revisit some of the ridiculously sick goals a couple of our young guys produced before you camp out on this hill. Start with the Nick Suzuki one handed shortie.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Maybe you should revisit some of the ridiculously sick goals a couple of our young guys produced before you camp out on this hill. Start with the Nick Suzuki one handed shortie.

Right, he was awesome to start the year. Killed it. THAT guy was a number one. But then he drops off a cliff. Not involved in the play and pretty much invisible.

It’s not the talent, it’s the consistency. There’s a certain amount of streakiness within all players but you don’t want to see awesome and then invisible. It’s the inconsistency that’s concerning to me.

 

[Rapala]

Right, he was awesome to start the year. Killed it. THAT guy was a number one. But then he drops off a cliff. Not involved in the play and pretty much invisible.

It’s not the talent, it’s the consistency. There’s a certain amount of streakiness within all players but you don’t want to see awesome and then invisible. It’s the inconsistency that’s concerning to me.

Yeah every NHL player I've ever know has reached their peak level of consistancy at 23.
There are but a handful of players who can claim this in the history of the league. Not to mention once we add in what reasonable fans call mitigating factors and what LG calls excuses came out and admitted he played injured. It's not surprising Suzuki struggled when he wasn't getting around the ice very well. Many of us remarked on it as did the media and yes it coincided exactly with his least productive stretch. One has to assume if we had not already succumbed to so many man games lost Suzuki probably sits out a couple of games and comes back stronger. The proof is there for anyone who looks closely. Nick Suzuki was far more dynamic coming out of the break. The very first thing we noticed was his improved skating he seemed like he was 5 pounds lighter.

 

[habdynasty]

He went into tank for Bedard mode like many others did last year. Only one place to go and thats up from here.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Yeah every NHL player I've ever know has reached their peak level of consistancy at 23.

Why take this tone?

There are but a handful of players who can claim this in the history of the league. Not to mention once we add in what reasonable fans call mitigating factors and what LG calls excuses came out and admitted he played injured. It's not surprising Suzuki struggled when he wasn't getting around the ice very well. Many of us remarked on it as did the media and yes it was exactly when his least productive stretch was. One has to assume if we had not already succumbed to so many man games lost Suzuki probably sits out a couple of games and comes back stronger. The proof is there for anyone who looks closely. Nick Suzuki was far more dynamic coming out of the break. The very first thing we noticed was his improved skating he seemed like he was 5 pounds lighter.

If I thought he was injured, I’d say so. But his slump happens exactly when Monahan goes down. Nobody has said anything about injury and there’s no evidence of one. Is it that hard to believe that a player who’s been streaky over the course of his career was streaky again last season?

 

[Kaladin]

Maybe you should revisit some of the ridiculously sick goals a couple of our young guys produced before you camp out on this hill. Start with the Nick Suzuki one handed shortie.

The context of the conversation was the playoff runs. And for you to sit there and potentially imply the habs were *good* offensively during the playoff runs or that it falls under the 'strengths' column is wild too me. Offense is low on the list of reasons why we were good in that playoffs run. Most fans admit as much.

 

[Rapala]

The context of the conversation was the playoff runs. And for you to sit there and potentially imply the habs were *good* offensively during the playoff runs or that it falls under the 'strengths' column is wild too me. Offense is low on the list of reasons why we were good in that playoffs run. Most fans admit as much.

Right and it WASN'T Suzuki or his linemates who weren't productive.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Right and it WASN'T Suzuki or his linemates who weren't productive.

How productive was he though? 16 points in 22 games. Not bad but he didn’t tear the cover off the ball. He played well for his circumstances but he wasn’t dominant.

Over the course of the playoffs, the Lightning had five players with more points than our highest scorer, including three centers and a blueliner. It was all on our goalie.

 

[Rapala]

Why take this tone?

If I thought he was injured, I’d say so. But his slump happens exactly when Monahan goes down. Nobody has said anything about injury and there’s no evidence of one. Is it that hard to believe that a player who’s been streaky over the course of his career was streaky again last season?

You never admitted he was injured period. Suzuki wouldn't come out and say he played injured when he wasn't. Your credibility in this thread is bordering on zero. His worst period of goose eggs started on Dec 15th and ran 5 games. His goal scoring drought went on much longer scoring only two goals through to Jan 31st. Here is an excerpt about that period of time. Talking about playing with Dach and Monahan vs Pitlick and Anderson.

This article was published by Marc Dumont Jan 31st

Investigating Canadiens’ Nick Suzuki Recent Scoring Drought

There’s been a lot of ink spilled when it comes to Nick Suzuki’s scoring drought. And while it’s easy to point to his recent production as a reason to doubt his overall potential, it’s important to look at the context in which Suzuki has struggled. First off, we can’t declare Suzuki is injured...

montrealhockeynow.com

Conclusion:
The lack of chemistry, combined with potential injury, an inflated shooting percentage, and a dearth of talent throughout the lineup are all factors when it comes to Suzuki’s scoring drought.
However, they’re also factors that have very little chance of repeating in the future, making Suzuki’s scoring drought in the last week an unfortunate situation, but not one that’s worth losing sleep over.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

You never admitted he was injured period.

Why would I “admit” this? I don’t see any evidence of it.

Suzuki wouldn't come out and say he played injured when he wasn't. Your credibility in this thread is bordering on zero.

???? What are you talking about? You’re coming here with speculation and saying my credibility is zero?

His worst period of goose eggs started on Dec 15th and ran 5 games. His goal scoring drought went on much longer scoring only two goals through to Jan 31st. Here is an excerpt about that period of time. Talking about playing with Dach and Monahan vs Pitlick and Anderson.

He went away for the better part of two months. He put up a few points but he was invisible most nights.

This article was published by Marc Dumont Jan 31st

Investigating Canadiens’ Nick Suzuki Recent Scoring Drought

There’s been a lot of ink spilled when it comes to Nick Suzuki’s scoring drought. And while it’s easy to point to his recent production as a reason to doubt his overall potential, it’s important to look at the context in which Suzuki has struggled. First off, we can’t declare Suzuki is injured...

montrealhockeynow.com

There’s no evidence of an injury here. It’s a blog that’s pure speculation. Might as well have been written by a poster here.

Conclusion:
The lack of chemistry, combined with potential injury, an inflated shooting percentage, and a dearth of talent throughout the lineup are all factors when it comes to Suzuki’s scoring drought.

“Potential injury”… sorry but this doesn’t fly. You could throw this out for any player going through a slump. It’s purely speculative.

His winger continued to score so it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to say it was a lack of chemistry there either.

After CC goes down? Sure. To be expected that his numbers would dip. If it happened then? Fine. But it preceded it.

However, they’re also factors that have very little chance of repeating in the future, making Suzuki’s scoring drought in the last week an unfortunate situation, but not one that’s worth losing sleep over.

We’ll see. I’d be far more inclined to agree with you if that slump hadn’t of happened when it did.

Unless you have some credible evidence of injury, please don’t come here talking about posters having to “admit” to something speculative.

 

[Rapala]

Why would I “admit” this? I don’t see any evidence of it.

????

He went away for the better part of two months.

There’s no evidence of an injury here. It’s a blog that’s pure speculation. Might as well be writhe by a poster here.

“Potential injury”… sorry but this doesn’t fly. You could throw this out for any player going through a slump. It’s purely speculative.

His winger continued to score so it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to say it was a lack of chemistry there either.

After CC goes down? Sure. To be expected that his numbers would dip. If it happened then? Fine. But it preceded it.


We’ll see. I’d be fat more inclined to agree with you if that slump hadn’t of happened when it did.

Did you not hear him LIVE ON CAMERA TODAY saying he DEFINITELY played injured?

When the Captain of a team does not participate in the morning skates for a number of games it's injury not fatigue. The conjecture at the time was HE WAS INJURED he admitted to not being at 100%. You are asking me and others to believe this wasn't the point in the season he was injured.
He didn't sit out at any other point.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Did you not hear him LIVE ON CAMERA TODAY saying he DEFINITELY played injured?

No I did not. Please post a link though. I’d love to see it and if he says he played hurt during that stretch then cool.

When the Captain of a team does not participate in the morning skates for a number of games it's injury not fatigue. The conjecture at the time was HE WAS INJURED he admitted to not being at 100%. You are asking me and others to believe this wasn't the point in the season he was injured.
He didn't sit out at any other point.

Again, if you have evidence post it. That’s a completely different conversation.

 

[Rapala]

No I did not. Please post a link though. I’d love to see it and if he says he played hurt during that stretch then cool.

Again, if you have evidence post it. That’s a completely different conversation.

Evidence of what that he played injured or that it coincided with the period in question?
In the first instance it's been posted today in the golf tournament thread players Q and A.
In the second instance the article states at the outset Suzuki admits he isn't 100%.
Do we take our Captain at his word or don't we.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Evidence of what that he played injured or that it coincided with the period in question?
In the first instance it's been posted today in the golf tournament thread players Q and A.
In the second instance the article states at the outset Suzuki admits he isn't 100%.
Do we take our Captain at his word or don't we.

Please post the link.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Please post the link.

In his interview at the tournament he said he played injured.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

In his interview at the tournament he said he played injured.

Is there a link?

 

[Rapala]

He went away for the better part of two months. He put up a few points but he was invisible most nights.

During the same period Dach got moved Cole Caufield put up exactly two more points with Nick playing the final 5 games without either of them. I'm not spending any more time rehashing what happened. You are clearly fixated on Caufield scoring goals vs point production I get it. But you also want us to believe Nick Suzuki had no part in any of them because his name didn't appear on the scoresheet. That I won't buy. All indications point to Suzuki being a number 1 center in this league.
You keep trying to make a case against that projection with nothing to back up your reasoning.
That is why I bring up your credibility.

 

[Rapala]

Is there a link?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...usg=AOvVaw3QCp9kxzV1kLAFfNUoiVTt&opi=89978449

18:47 for the Suzuki QandA

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

During the same period Dach got moved Cole Caufield put up exactly two more points with Nick playing the final 5 games without either of them. I'm not spending any more time rehashing what happened. You are clearly fixated on Caufield scoring goals vs point production I get it. But you also want us to believe Nick Suzuki had no part in any of them because his name didn't appear on the scoresheet.

Nick Suzuki didn’t play well for a month and a half. I’m not making this up. Not exaggerating. Feel free to revisiting those GDTs where people were wondering what was going on. Injuries were speculated, fatigue… and maybe some of it was true. But what’s true for sure is that he didn’t play well.

That I won't buy. All indications point to Suzuki being a number 1 center in this league.
You keep trying to make a case against that projection with nothing to back up your reasoning.
That is why I bring up your credibility.

“all indications point to him being a number one center.” No they don’t! They just don’t man. He’s way down the list in scoring and his D doesn’t make up for it. He hasn’t shown it yet. Please don’t sit there and talk like it’s some kind of no brainer that you made the case. You haven’t.

Now, if you have a link where it shows there was an injury at play… great. Please show it. That might actually change my opinion on things depending on what was said. But the speculation, the “he’s obviously a number one”… none of that is convincing.

Edit: Thank you for the link.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

He's our captain and the guy is a gamer of course he's gonna play when he's hurt he looks 12 but the guy is like 40 years old mentally , solid as a rock , you win with dogs like nick . Last year was a crapshoot season not worried about Suzuki at all. Even if he's not a #1C he's a great player and will elevate when needed.

That said the only way you win with this guy as your best forward is if we have the best D in the league we are gonna need more than nick Cole and dach to win anything in the NHL

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjG2detjqSBAxVZMDQIHS2gDtoQwqsBegQIDhAF&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UKDXrTvJ-8&usg=AOvVaw3QCp9kxzV1kLAFfNUoiVTt&opi=89978449

18:47 for the Suzuki QandA

For those interested it comes around the 27:50 mark.

“I was definitely hurt a bit last year but was able to stay in the games.”

I’m sorry but this isn’t saying much.

 

[Rapala]

Nick Suzuki didn’t play well for a month and a half. I’m not making this up. Not exaggerating. Feel free to revisiting those GDTs where people were wondering what was going on. Injuries were speculated, fatigue… and maybe some of it was true. But what’s true for sure is that he didn’t play well.

“all indications point to him being a number one center.” No they don’t! They just don’t man. He’s way down the list in scoring and his D doesn’t make up for it. He hasn’t shown it yet. Lease don’t sit there and talk like it’s some kind of no brainer that you w made a case. You haven’t.

Now, I’d you have a link where it shows there was an injury at play… great. Please show it. That might actually change my opinion on things depending on what was said. But the speculation, the “he’s obviously a number one”… none of that is convincing.

My opinion won't change either. I'm sticking to what his manager and his coach believe. Suzuki is their number 1 center on the team they are building for the future. That he is good enough to win with and it's up to them to build around guys like him and Caufield and Dach and Ghule. The only way this will change is if Kirby Dach usurps him and he's still a ways away from doing that if he can.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

My opinion won't change either.

That’s totally fine.

I'm sticking to what his manager and his coach believe. Suzuki is their number 1 center on the team they are building for the future. That he is good enough to win with and it's up to them to build around guys like him and Caufield and Dach and Ghule. The only way this will change is if Kirby Dach usurps him and he's still a ways away from doing that if he can.

His manager and coach have said it. Do they believe it? Who knows? Nobody is going to say that they think we’re going to need someone better.

Loved the Dach move. As I said, if they’re both around 70 point players then I think it’s good enough. 1A and 1B.

 

[Rapala]

For those interested it comes around the 27:50 mark.

“I was definitely hurt a bit last year but was able to stay in the games.”

I’m sorry but this isn’t saying much.

It's saying he played injured and wasn't 100% which is exactly what was reported and was evident in his play. I'm not sure what else it's supposed to mean.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He's our captain and the guy is a gamer of course he's gonna play when he's hurt he looks 12 but the guy is like 40 years old mentally , solid as a rock , you win with dogs like nick . Last year was a crapshoot season not worried about Suzuki at all. Even if he's not a #1C he's a great player and will elevate when needed.

That said the only way you win with this guy as your best forward is if we have the best D in the league we are gonna need more than nick Cole and dach to win anything in the NHL

I agree.