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Heavy is the Heart that wears the C. It’s better for him if he doesn’t get it. f***ing love Suzuki though.
Player Discussion Nick Suzuki Part 11
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I could see the Habs doing what the senators did w/ Brady Tkachuk. Idk I would say do Suzuki and Gallagher and maybe Edmondson/ Savard. I don't think its that big a deal but no reason to put that on a young kid either I like the captain blender idea.
Off topic a bit but how much input does Vinny have and what is his actual role going to be? Just wondering what he brings to the table.
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Extremely funny go to back and read like page 10-21 or so lmfao, some real big brain takes
Suzy I believe is the future captain of this club. Maybe not at the moment, but he just seems to have that feel about him. I also appreciate the fact that he has become a little nastier lately. I mean that in the most positive way!
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Would’ve been better if it said ‘Plekasex’
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8 forwards signed 7-8 year deals in the $7-$9 million AAV range over the past year.
Where would you rank Suzuki’s contract amongst these players:
Hertl 8 years - $8.14 m AAV
Hughes 8 years - $8 m AAV
Tkachuk 7 years - $8.21 m AAV
Suzuki 8 years - $7.88 m AAV
Zibanejad 8 years - $8.5 m AAV
Couturier 8 years - $7.75 m AAV
Svechnikov 8 years - $7.75 m AAV
Landeskog 8 years - $7 m AAV
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Suzuki is younger than Hertl. So i'd prefer Suzuki. I believe with good players like Caufield, he can be a PPG center... in 2 years.
They all pretty good... i'd prefer Suzuki to Hertl and Couturier for sure. He is younger than Zibanejad too.
Hou need to split post ELC and at UFA : post ELC Suzuki is not clearly not as good as Hughes, Svecvnhikov, for Tkachuk I am not a fan of power forwards so I d say I prefer Suzuki. Suzuki right now is also not as good as any of the players above but he has upside, which they don’t have at their age.
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Should be "Plekasex" and the one on top should be "Sexzuki"
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Remember when they said that Kotkaniemi had scored more goals at his age than Yzerman, Sakic and all the great ones?
Yeah well, it didn't age all that well. Suzuki can't slow down now.
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or simply just give him someone else with Caufield that can actually play hockey
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Player Discussion - Suzuki vs Kotkaniemi
Suzuki currently has 20 points 7 are goals with -2. His ice time average this year is 18:41 per game. Faceoff percentage is 44.1%. Suzuki is 21. He spent most of the year playing with the default first line Anderson and Drouin. Kotkaniemi currently has 15 points 4 are goals with +6. His ice...
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Based on age, the only one I'd take over Suzuki is Hughes...Zbad as well if he was like 3 years younger.
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Managed to score 60 in a year like this, 70 I think will be his average production if healthy
Maybe 1 or 2 years 80+
Maybe 1 or 2 years 80+
Responding here as it's beyond the scope of the tank thread:
FWIW I was always high on Plekanec and don't think he's reached Plekanec's peak level yet, my point is more just about the growth in the cap and that even if we paid 750k more to Plekanec back then it wouldn't have been a problem at all. I want that eye-popping scoring from a true franchise forward too, but they're just not linked at all to me. Montreal lacking a dynamic franchise forward has nothing to do with paying Suzuki, and his contract in no way precludes the team from paying for elite forwards.
Despite all that he's still hit the ceiling of the cautious projection twice, I just really don't see any convincing reason to still be worried that the guy is going to become Sergei Kostistyn. At some point this version of caution just becomes unwarranted pessimism IMO.
Essentially, in 3-4 years when this team is hopefully trying to compete, the upside on this deal is that we paid for Derek Stepan and got Niklas Backstrom, and the downside on this deal is that we paid for Derek Stepan and got Derek Stepan.
The total number of 70P guys has increased since then, but a lot of that is among wingers and is PP driven. The 70P threshold is still basically about the top 20 among Cs today like it was back when Plekanec had his peak years and is still a nice spot for a 1C given that cutoff will always grab some Scheifele/Kuznetsov types who can't defend one bit and being 20th in scoring probably means you're in the mid teens in actual on-ice value at the position.
FWIW I was always high on Plekanec and don't think he's reached Plekanec's peak level yet, my point is more just about the growth in the cap and that even if we paid 750k more to Plekanec back then it wouldn't have been a problem at all. I want that eye-popping scoring from a true franchise forward too, but they're just not linked at all to me. Montreal lacking a dynamic franchise forward has nothing to do with paying Suzuki, and his contract in no way precludes the team from paying for elite forwards.
I understand the caution back in December when we were still talking about last year's pace and making excuses for this year's production, but at this point I just don't really get it when he's three P away from 60 after being at 27P in 45GP, has been on the team's only threatening line all year, scored at a 60P pace on a mediocre team with mediocre linemates last year, has been on an anemic PP his whole career, and has really only had this 30 game stretch of rejuvenated with Caufield as a legitimate high-end scoring talent for a linemate.
Despite all that he's still hit the ceiling of the cautious projection twice, I just really don't see any convincing reason to still be worried that the guy is going to become Sergei Kostistyn. At some point this version of caution just becomes unwarranted pessimism IMO.
This is what I mean by unwarranted pessimism, because it's pretty difficult to see a non-injury induced scenario where the contract turns out poorly for the team. I don't mean to keep harping on this point but it's very important, his AAV is not some mega deal that's going to be huge money forever and doom the team to mediocrity if he isn't a bonafide quality #1C. By the time the Habs need to care about cap efficiency in 3-4 seasons, his contract will already be ranked in the high 30s to low-mid 40s at his position, and in today's NHL 7.1M buys you Kevin Hayes in free agency.You'll note that from the start I said this deal can either be very good or bad depending on how he develops. I am more than ready to admit when I am wrong though
Essentially, in 3-4 years when this team is hopefully trying to compete, the upside on this deal is that we paid for Derek Stepan and got Niklas Backstrom, and the downside on this deal is that we paid for Derek Stepan and got Derek Stepan.
