Player Discussion Nick Suzuki Part 11

[domiwroze]

Everyone should know by now that Suzuki isn't slow. It's his acceleration that need some work, it's cool and all that he can see the play develop so he doesn't really get exposed by his acceleration but once he engage on a contact that's when you see that getting his legs back to speed is a little bit slow.

With that said, i'm not worried in the slightest that this kid will be worth every penny of his contract. He got "it". That little smirk face says it all

 

[LaP]

Easy to say now, not so much when it was time to make that decision.

Not really. The decision had to be made deadline 2020 while we were 24th. We had something like 4 important UFA players with only 1 year left (Tatar, Danault, Petry and Gallagher) and 3 RFA players with also 1 year left (Domi, Armia and Lehkonen). There was absolutely 0 reality where MB was going to be able to sign them all and improve the team while staying under the cap. And i do not say this with hindsight. I said it back at the deadline 2020 that MB had to identify who he wanted to sign and trade 1 or 2 UFAs cause he was about to lose them for nothing the next season and they were worth more with one year left and salary retention. We were 24th in the league back then i'm sorry but the decision was easy to make and should 120% have been made. I called it after the deadline 2020 and i sign today MB missed the best chance we ever had at a rebuild at the deadline 2020. Both Petry and Gallagher were worth a king's ransom back then.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Not really. The decision had to be made deadline 2020 while we were 24th. We had something like 4 important UFA players with only 1 year left (Tatar, Danault, Petry and Gallagher) and 3 RFA players with also 1 year left (Domi, Armia and Lehkonen). There was absolutely 0 reality where MB was going to be able to sign them all and improve the team while staying under the cap. And i do not say this with hindsight. I said it back at the deadline 2020 that MB had to identify who he wanted to sign and trade 1 or 2 UFAs cause he was about to lose them for nothing the next season and they were worth more with one year left and salary retention. We were 24th in the league back then i'm sorry but the decision was easy to make and should 120% have been made. I called it after the deadline 2020 and i sign today MB missed the best chance we ever had at a rebuild at the deadline 2020. Both Petry and Gallagher were worth a king's ransom back then.

the decision to rebuild or at least try to retool by selling high on our RFA/UFA assets would have been easy to make if it was EANHL mais c'est pas playstation - Marc Bergevin

 

[BozoTheClown]

Not really. The decision had to be made deadline 2020 while we were 24th. We had something like 4 important UFA players with only 1 year left (Tatar, Danault, Petry and Gallagher) and 3 RFA players with also 1 year left (Domi, Armia and Lehkonen). There was absolutely 0 reality where MB was going to be able to sign them all and improve the team while staying under the cap. And i do not say this with hindsight. I said it back at the deadline 2020 that MB had to identify who he wanted to sign and trade 1 or 2 UFAs cause he was about to lose them for nothing the next season and they were worth more with one year left and salary retention. We were 24th in the league back then i'm sorry but the decision was easy to make and should 120% have been made. I called it after the deadline 2020 and i sign today MB missed the best chance we ever had at a rebuild at the deadline 2020. Both Petry and Gallagher were worth a king's ransom back then.

I remember so many people not wanting to trade anyone because there was always next season.

It’s been the “next season” for 25 f***ing years

We do deserve in part what is happening this season and if we don’t take the time to rebuild properly, 5 years, we will stay where we have been for another 25+ years.

 

[Gillings]

Everyone should know by now that Suzuki isn't slow. It's his acceleration that need some work, it's cool and all that he can see the play develop so he doesn't really get exposed by his acceleration but once he engage on a contact that's when you see that getting his legs back to speed is a little bit slow.

With that said, i'm not worried in the slightest that this kid will be worth every penny of his contract. He got "it". That little smirk face says it all

Jeez, are you two going on a date?

Yeah he lacks foot speed but please don't tell me that couldn't be corrected if he Skated harder...

Maybe he looks like he knows what hes doing because he sacrifices speed and agility for power and IQ? and he's not really Powerful ( 3/12 games ) and his IQ? oh man... if you call IQ being the man on the team with the most offense zone wraps then yea..

But he quickly loses momentum a lot and ends up turned around.. like a rookie who is gifted but not READY..... Just like Caufield... just like Kotka...

All these players needed to RIDE the bus together....

Now we are stuck with stunted offensman and there contracts that "made" bergevin look like he knew what he was doing..

As far as our coach helping to grow these talents... PFT yeah i'll give them that!

Anyways,

exciting rebuild coming up!!!!

 

[Big Empty]

Suzuki in the all-star jersey

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Suzuki in the all-star jersey

Bel homme

 

[The Great Weal]

I think only McDavid type players can produce a ton of points with no PMD.

 

[rahad]

That's nice and all, but for 8M$ next year you'd hope for more points and a lot more leadership.

Right now, today, he doesn't deserve twice Toffoli's salary. I hope he proves me wrong in the future.

People are going to hate me for saying it. But Nick Suzuki is not worth 8m.... Maybe 6.5m for the next 4 years. We should have waited until the end of this season to sign him.

 

[Hins77]

People are going to hate me for saying it. But Nick Suzuki is not worth 8m.... Maybe 6.5m for the next 4 years. We should have waited until the end of this season to sign him.

I disagree…. Nathan mackinnon is the best exemple. His first 4 pro year he didn’t had wonderful statistics. colorado team was terribly bad. Right now, his 6,3 aav right now is just a robbery from colorado. Now, I don’t want to compare Suzuki to Mackinnon. But, it’s not like if Suzuki was the only one in this team who don’t produce. The problem is around the team. They don’t have a good goalie, so they over protect their zone. When they over protect their zone, they don’t enough gaz to make a really good offensive back. The d corp is just unable to make a good first pass. I mean, the problem is like a generalized cancer right now. It is everywhere. Starting by the goalie, to the d, to the forward. And this is affected offensive number to every forward

 

[JoelWarlord]

People are going to hate me for saying it. But Nick Suzuki is not worth 8m.... Maybe 6.5m for the next 4 years. We should have waited until the end of this season to sign him.

Well it's a good thing he's on an ELC still, and it's a good thing he's not making 8M next year either. It's really silly to zero in on the fact the AAV starts with a 7 and get worked up over a contract which is equivalent to Plekanec making 5.75M and 6.9M instead of 5M and 6M on his contracts with the Habs. Again, if we're going to be actually rebuilding and acquiring high end talents people are going to have to accept that AAVs for good forwards start with a 7 to 10 now. We have had AAVs under 7M for so long because we haven't had a legitimate top 6 center without massive glaring flaws in his game since Plekanec, and because we traded Pacioretty before his UFA years after he got completely swindled as an RFA.

Danault was cheaper because you can't play him on the PP and you need to spend elsewhere to counteract that. Domi and Desharnais were cheaper because they can't play defence and you need to spend elsewhere to counteract that. Suzuki is paid 0.8% of the cap more than Plekanec was because he's signed for 8 years under a cap which will dramatically rise in 3 to 4 years just as we enter a competitive window, and because he's an all situations top 6 center that is already extremely defensively responsible and fits well on your PP1 and PK1 and has a lot of development runway left to go, on top of some very strong playoff performances already at a young age.

Why would we rather give him 6.5M for the next 4 years and walk him straight to free agency and either lose him or have to pay him 10+ in a few years instead of locking him in at 7.875 for his entire prime? That doesn't make any sense at all, this is the perfect time to pay a little more in year 1 to save a lot in year 5-8. Why should we care about maximizing every cap dollar in 2022-23? All the complaining about this extension just makes no sense to me, we got excellent value here.

 

[Big Empty]

Well it's a good thing he's on an ELC still, and it's a good thing he's not making 8M next year either. It's really silly to zero in on the fact the AAV starts with a 7 and get worked up over a contract which is equivalent to Plekanec making 5.75M and 6.9M instead of 5M and 6M on his contracts with the Habs. Again, if we're going to be actually rebuilding and acquiring high end talents people are going to have to accept that AAVs for good forwards start with a 7 to 10 now. We have had AAVs under 7M for so long because we haven't had a legitimate top 6 center without massive glaring flaws in his game since Plekanec, and because we traded Pacioretty before his UFA years after he got completely swindled as an RFA.

Danault was cheaper because you can't play him on the PP and you need to spend elsewhere to counteract that. Domi and Desharnais were cheaper because they can't play defence and you need to spend elsewhere to counteract that. Suzuki is paid 0.8% of the cap more than Plekanec was because he's signed for 8 years under a cap which will dramatically rise in 3 to 4 years just as we enter a competitive window, and because he's an all situations top 6 center that is already extremely defensively responsible and fits well on your PP1 and PK1 and has a lot of development runway left to go, on top of some very strong playoff performances already at a young age.

Why would we rather give him 6.5M for the next 4 years and walk him straight to free agency and either lose him or have to pay him 10+ in a few years instead of locking him in at 7.875 for his entire prime? That doesn't make any sense at all, this is the perfect time to pay a little more in year 1 to save a lot in year 5-8. Why should we care about maximizing every cap dollar in 2022-23? All the complaining about this extension just makes no sense to me, we got excellent value here.

Very well said.

 

[Canadienna]

Just seeing Suzuki in the locker room with Stamkos and Hedman I feel like this experience will be good for him. Help him set his sights high.

 

[Canadienna]

 

[Ozmodiar]

I see Suzuki hanging out with Bergeron.
Didn’t he say he’d recruit him?

 

[CHwest]

Suzuki in the all-star jersey

He looks thrilled.

 

[First Line]

People are going to hate me for saying it. But Nick Suzuki is not worth 8m.... Maybe 6.5m for the next 4 years. We should have waited until the end of this season to sign him.

So, 6.5 for 4 years and then what? 9M for the next 4 year? So how much would that make over an 8 year contract?

 

[admiralcadillac]

So, 6.5 for 4 years and then what? 9M for the next 4 year? So how much would that make over an 8 year contract?

62 over 8 years = 7.7.5

0r 9+6.5/ 2

 

[rahad]

Well it's a good thing he's on an ELC still, and it's a good thing he's not making 8M next year either. It's really silly to zero in on the fact the AAV starts with a 7 and get worked up over a contract which is equivalent to Plekanec making 5.75M and 6.9M instead of 5M and 6M on his contracts with the Habs. Again, if we're going to be actually rebuilding and acquiring high end talents people are going to have to accept that AAVs for good forwards start with a 7 to 10 now. We have had AAVs under 7M for so long because we haven't had a legitimate top 6 center without massive glaring flaws in his game since Plekanec, and because we traded Pacioretty before his UFA years after he got completely swindled as an RFA.

Danault was cheaper because you can't play him on the PP and you need to spend elsewhere to counteract that. Domi and Desharnais were cheaper because they can't play defence and you need to spend elsewhere to counteract that. Suzuki is paid 0.8% of the cap more than Plekanec was because he's signed for 8 years under a cap which will dramatically rise in 3 to 4 years just as we enter a competitive window, and because he's an all situations top 6 center that is already extremely defensively responsible and fits well on your PP1 and PK1 and has a lot of development runway left to go, on top of some very strong playoff performances already at a young age.

Why would we rather give him 6.5M for the next 4 years and walk him straight to free agency and either lose him or have to pay him 10+ in a few years instead of locking him in at 7.875 for his entire prime? That doesn't make any sense at all, this is the perfect time to pay a little more in year 1 to save a lot in year 5-8. Why should we care about maximizing every cap dollar in 2022-23? All the complaining about this extension just makes no sense to me, we got excellent value here.

Montreal fan are getting more and more delusional with our player. Ask others teams how much he is worth. Is going to be a eye opener for the people here. The fact that you believe in 4 years he is going to be worth over 10+m is just insane.

I get it. We did not have a single player with over 90pts in a season for a very long time. We don't need to over hype him. Where are the people calling Cole Caufield the rookie of the year now?

For all the hate Drouin(GP 32) get in the Hf, he is still only 7 points behind Suzuki(GP 44).

Marc Bergevin is gone guys. Even in 2026, Suzuki a good 60-70 pts player would still be worth around 7.5m max.

 

[Archijerej]

People are going to hate me for saying it. But Nick Suzuki is not worth 8m....

He isn't. Luckily, his cap hit is at $1,3M.

 

[RationalExpectations]

People are going to hate me for saying it. But Nick Suzuki is not worth 8m.... Maybe 6.5m for the next 4 years. We should have waited until the end of this season to sign him.

I agree and the worst thing is the ripple effect : assume you draft a true 1C while you pay a 50 pt player 8m, that s going to drive internal salries upwards.

 

[ahmedou]

Suzuki & Fan:

 

[Scriptor]

I agree and the worst thing is the ripple effect : assume you draft a true 1C while you pay a 50 pt player 8m, that s going to drive internal salries upwards.

Montreal won't see that true #1C, if they draft one, for another three years, on the first year of his ELC, even of they burn one year off that ELC (which they never did for Suzuki, thankfully), it won't be until five years from now that they will need to sign that God-Send of a Center (all just a wet dream at this pont, anyhow).

By then, the Cap will have skyrocketed post COVID and 7.75M will be a perfect mark fo the salary of a 2nd line C.

10M, as with Eichel a few years back, already, will be a cost-efficient signing of the true #1C.

I personally see zero problem with riding out, at that point, the three best years of Suzuki, all remaining on his current contract that kicks off only next season, at 7.75M!

 

[rahad]

I agree and the worst thing is the ripple effect : assume you draft a true 1C while you pay a 50 pt player 8m, that s going to drive internal salries upwards.

Thank you for your post. The same thing happen to Toronto. After signing John Tavares, Auston Matthews and Marner asked for 11m.
Maybe is a very bad year for him. We will see how he play next year.

 

[Redux91]

Well it's a good thing he's on an ELC still, and it's a good thing he's not making 8M next year either. It's really silly to zero in on the fact the AAV starts with a 7 and get worked up over a contract which is equivalent to Plekanec making 5.75M and 6.9M instead of 5M and 6M on his contracts with the Habs. Again, if we're going to be actually rebuilding and acquiring high end talents people are going to have to accept that AAVs for good forwards start with a 7 to 10 now. We have had AAVs under 7M for so long because we haven't had a legitimate top 6 center without massive glaring flaws in his game since Plekanec, and because we traded Pacioretty before his UFA years after he got completely swindled as an RFA.

Danault was cheaper because you can't play him on the PP and you need to spend elsewhere to counteract that. Domi and Desharnais were cheaper because they can't play defence and you need to spend elsewhere to counteract that. Suzuki is paid 0.8% of the cap more than Plekanec was because he's signed for 8 years under a cap which will dramatically rise in 3 to 4 years just as we enter a competitive window, and because he's an all situations top 6 center that is already extremely defensively responsible and fits well on your PP1 and PK1 and has a lot of development runway left to go, on top of some very strong playoff performances already at a young age.

Why would we rather give him 6.5M for the next 4 years and walk him straight to free agency and either lose him or have to pay him 10+ in a few years instead of locking him in at 7.875 for his entire prime? That doesn't make any sense at all, this is the perfect time to pay a little more in year 1 to save a lot in year 5-8. Why should we care about maximizing every cap dollar in 2022-23? All the complaining about this extension just makes no sense to me, we got excellent value here.

This post should be stickied honestly, just perfectly stated
It's hard constantly trying to explain to people too shortsighted to see that Suzuki could VERY well be UNDERpaid a few years into this contract, and as the cap starts to rise again eventually it will make this contract look that much better as we go along

People have to stop forgetting how good this guy is in the playoffs as well ffs