Player Discussion Nick Suzuki Part 11
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BLONG7
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Somewhat agree........today, or right now Patch may be playing better..............that was not the case last year in the playoffs.....not to mention Suzuki is what, 8-9 years younger?
I think right now, our guy is leading his team in points, all the while the idiot coach has no idea who to put with him....and we have more AHL guys on the team to boot.
Nick will be our best player in years to come........Max will retire soon....
Jabba11
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Suzuki is having growing pains in a season where the team is depleted. Not his fault and he'll learn from this and improve.
Not worried one bit. Only thing that confirms to us, is that we need another star power, another young player to build around in addition to Suzuki. A Connor Bedard or Matvei Michkov.
Not worried one bit. Only thing that confirms to us, is that we need another star power, another young player to build around in addition to Suzuki. A Connor Bedard or Matvei Michkov.
montreal
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this is what I have started talking about, fans getting way too excited for another loss each time (when it's not shaping up to be some blockbuster year to tank ala a McDavid or a Crosby type) and then not taking into consideration what all this losing may have on what at least for now are our biggest hopes in Suzuki and Caufield both not looking good. At least to me it's becoming very troubling that Suzuki looks sluggish/lazy (though I haven't watched that many games so I could be wrong) and Caufield with 1 goal is likely the biggest worry I have had about the Habs future in as long as I can remember.
Now I am not saying that I don't still believe in Suzuki and Caufield, but losing so much can be very tough, and yes skill will always be there but it's still a shit environment and you have to hope that it doesn't cause them to pick up bad habits now that there are few vet leaders with the team.
Now I am not saying that I don't still believe in Suzuki and Caufield, but losing so much can be very tough, and yes skill will always be there but it's still a shit environment and you have to hope that it doesn't cause them to pick up bad habits now that there are few vet leaders with the team.
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As I mentioned in the Caufield thread, I’d put Suzuki with Caufield and see what they can do together. Playing CC in the bottom six makes no sense at all to me,
Sagikev
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For what it's worth. Dude is still only 22 and on his ELC.
EDIT for a quick translation : most games played in a calendar year in the history of the NHL (season + playoffs). Suz played 112 games in 2021, tied for 2nd most ever. It might explain why he seems fatigued according to the OP.
EDIT for a quick translation : most games played in a calendar year in the history of the NHL (season + playoffs). Suz played 112 games in 2021, tied for 2nd most ever. It might explain why he seems fatigued according to the OP.
Can’t ignore that a massive rebuid, that lots here want to go on, will be detrimental to existing young talent. Lots of examples in Edm, Buff etc.
Losing unfortunately breeds losers.
Losing unfortunately breeds losers.
I think Nick is a good 2C. No problem with him and the contract.
he needs help tho.
For now, I would pair him with Anderson and Caufield when possible.
he needs help tho.
For now, I would pair him with Anderson and Caufield when possible.
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He will be fine and still be a solid 1C for us, maybe not a top 10 C but a 1C nevertheless
Can't expect him to carry a historically bad team right now, he's not a McDavid level talent
Can't expect him to carry a historically bad team right now, he's not a McDavid level talent
montreal
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wow, I didn't even think of that, crazy that he's played that much. I said at the start of the year that Suzuki was the last guy we needed to worry about but it makes sense that he would look sluggish as Dom has him playing a ton right now and he's clearly played a shit ton since Jan 1st 2021.
OldCraig71
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I don't see Suzuki as a number one center although he will play that role on this team by default as many others before him have done. Next season he will be playing hockey for just shy of 8 million per, big pressure coming for him. Caufield needs seasoning away from the NHL, he's just lost at this level right now and he wouldn't be the first smallish goal scoring winger to go through that. He is way more comparable to Cammalleri and Mike Hoffman than many here believe. Gorton and his new Gm will have their work cut out for them and that's no surprise, many here predicted that it would take 3-5 years to clean up after Bergevin.
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He does need help , Caufield can't help him. Caufield should stay in the ahl for an entire year. He's completely useless in the nhl at this moment let alone help Suzuki on the first line.
I still think he's a Bergeron type player, still a potential top line C but not the type that will get 80-90 pts a season. If he gets 50 this year with the team we have it's gonna be a success. I'd also just let Caufield play with him the whole year at this point.
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A cerebral player that has no one to pass the puck to or receive the puck from. Hard to produce offense when your defense can't make a decent exit zone pass for a 3-2 or join the rush.
Not having Price playing 3rd Defenseman on dump in also doesn't help the defense for a good and quick dzone exit.
Having Wideman, Kulak, Clague, Savard, Petry, Chiarot as your Dcorp mean you'll play 75% of your TOI on defense.
Not excuses, just facts. Looking at Suzuki's game, yes, from time to time lately he became part of the problem by not moving his feet. But you have to understand that a kid can't be expected to carry a whole AHL squad to victory. His game is not as bad as some suggest, he's still worth his money, I'd just hope that he'd take that ''A'' on his jersey a little more seriously and show pride on the ice in front of the other kids right now.
Not having Price playing 3rd Defenseman on dump in also doesn't help the defense for a good and quick dzone exit.
Having Wideman, Kulak, Clague, Savard, Petry, Chiarot as your Dcorp mean you'll play 75% of your TOI on defense.
Not excuses, just facts. Looking at Suzuki's game, yes, from time to time lately he became part of the problem by not moving his feet. But you have to understand that a kid can't be expected to carry a whole AHL squad to victory. His game is not as bad as some suggest, he's still worth his money, I'd just hope that he'd take that ''A'' on his jersey a little more seriously and show pride on the ice in front of the other kids right now.
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Suzuki’s contact isn’t bad. Grouping him in with the rest of the bad contracts is insane. His numbers are reflective of the team around him. The Habs f***ing suck.
Yeah this thread is just silliness now. The guy that was on a 60pt/82gp pace last year is now apparently a 3C because his production has dropped playing with AHLers. Citing his plus minus in front of this defence and Sam f***ing Montembeault, lmao just absolute stupidity. I have no idea what people are expecting at this point when he's playing between Drouin and Ylonen with absolutely zero other scoring threats in the lineup.
People need to get over the fact that the AAV starts with a 7 (and not even until next year! He is NOT making 7.8 right now!). That is what centers without major flaws cost. Plekanec cost 5M and 6M under a lower cap and his salaries were about 0.5-1% lower as a portion of the cap than what Suzuki will get starting next year. The reason why we had Danault and Desharnais for so many years as our #1Cs with an AAV starting with a 3 is because they both had massive glaring flaws at one end of the ice or the other.
Just nonsense to watch this guy's upward trajectory so far and pretend he's a bust 3C now because he can't produce on an AHL roster in the strongest division in the league. Look at the lineup, we have two actual bonafide NHL forwards dressed and one of them is Drouin. Two NHL defencemen dressed and neither are better than a #4 on a halfway decent team. An AHL goalie tandem. Completely moronic to look at a 45 point pace in these circumstances and pretend the guy is Tyler Bozak now.
People need to get over the fact that the AAV starts with a 7 (and not even until next year! He is NOT making 7.8 right now!). That is what centers without major flaws cost. Plekanec cost 5M and 6M under a lower cap and his salaries were about 0.5-1% lower as a portion of the cap than what Suzuki will get starting next year. The reason why we had Danault and Desharnais for so many years as our #1Cs with an AAV starting with a 3 is because they both had massive glaring flaws at one end of the ice or the other.
Just nonsense to watch this guy's upward trajectory so far and pretend he's a bust 3C now because he can't produce on an AHL roster in the strongest division in the league. Look at the lineup, we have two actual bonafide NHL forwards dressed and one of them is Drouin. Two NHL defencemen dressed and neither are better than a #4 on a halfway decent team. An AHL goalie tandem. Completely moronic to look at a 45 point pace in these circumstances and pretend the guy is Tyler Bozak now.
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I knew it would only be a matter of time before some fans painted a target on Suzuki's back after he signed his extension. We are literally dipping into our ECHL team for depth this season and are currently running a single NHL caliber line (Suzuki's) and a single NHL defense pair (Romanov's), what exactly are people expecting?
It's a bad contract, earlier in the thread, someone said something along the line people complains when we bridge (ex: Subban)
The difference, when you sign a young player long term, it's because you're pretty sure the first few years is gonna be a little overpriced, after that he will be worth it and become a steal. That's pretty much the reasonning to give big contract right away. To eventually having a bargain somewhere.
Take Subban, the ask was below 6 millions for 6 years. Was he worth it a the time? No but 1 year later he would have been a bargain already. Instead he cost us way more. And the only people defending the Bergevin strategy at the time were saying "he would have cost us 12 millions after the 6 years"
(keep in mind, that was after the huge TV contract, and after Toews and Kane signing, people were expecting a big boost in salaries)
I love Suzuki, but his contract was bad because you don't save anything. You're giving him right away the salary you hope he's gonna be worth it someday. But the chance of him beeing a bargain eventually i just don't see it. But...we never know I guess
montreal
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MB likely was in more of a panic due to the KK situation. With Suzuki we'll see what happens as who knows what kind of player he can be if he was surrounded by some highly skilled forwards and a defense that can move the puck up ice quickly and with ease.
As for the Subban situation, it's tough as you need as much cap space as you can get but at the same time you need your player to feel like he's being paid his worth when it's a long term deal.
Mandalorian
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For it to be a bargain he would have to become a near PPG player who is a force in his own end. Then it would be a good deal.
Elite two-way forward sometimes are already elite by 20-22 years old (Bergeron, Kopitar, Toews, Barkov). Let's hope Suzuki will have more of a development curve like O'Reilly and Datsyuk and start peaking around mid-twenties.
montreal
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he's been on shit teams though, so it's hard to really say what he is. Also we'll see what the cap does in a few years in relation to where his cap would need to be in order to be a bargain.
Mandalorian
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Next season he should be the 19th-20th most paid center in the league . Is he a top 20 center in the league yet tho? If his development is stagnant (unlikely, he is a smart guy that will put in the work I'm sure to improve), his contract will be questionable.
But I think Suz has 65-70 points potential, elite in his own end so if his development follows a normal curve, it shouldn't turn to be bad. But if he doesn't improve from his current form, he will be overpaid by 1.5-2M$, since 1B/2A C are usually paid around 5.5-6M$ (see Larkin, Reinhart, Scheifle, Monahan, Forsberg, Scheen, Staal, Hertl, etc.) .
