Player Discussion Nick Suzuki Part 11

[Captain97]

Pettersson is getting 7.35M and he,'s a .84 PPG player. Suzuki will be getting more and he's a .62 PPG player only a year younger than Pettersson.

I guess we can shave off .20 PPG just because it's Montreal and offense has not been the calling card for the Habs in eons?

Would you offer the Montreal first round pick, unprotected, a 2nd round pick, a 3rd round pick, Romanov and Dvorak for Pettersson?

Would they even consider it?

A C-line of Pettersson - Suzuki (right spot) - Poehling - Evans starts looking interesting.

Drouin - Pettersson - Toffoli
Hoffman - Suzuki - Gallagher
Anderson - Poehling - Caufield
Lehkonen - Evans - Armia
Ylonen, Pitlick

Byron bought out to fall under the Cap.

Edmundson - Petry
Harris - Savard
Guhle - Kostenko
Clague

Price
Primeau

Allen traded to fall under the cap ceiling.

Uh Petterson is on a bridge the other is for the Players entire prime. Petterson at 8 years gets ~10 million.

 

[Doc McKenna]

Edit : Love hearing the announcer choke up and call the worst OT goal call of all time lol Leafsnet in shambles good times

If anything Cuthbert is one of the best english announcers for the habs(or otherwise). It may be his team TBH. He isn't a leaf homer by any account. Nice to see Hughson retired, because I hated him for leaf and nuck games.

 

[Archijerej]

We had a player that was a key contributor to Suzuki's success, and as long as he was here, he would have guaranteed a good environment for steady progress.

That player was Phillip Danault.

Most of this forum couldn't get rid of him soon enough, because a perfect development scenario for an average Habs fan is pressing young players into roles they are not yet able to handle.

Enjoy the results.

 

[OldCraig71]

We had a player that was a key contributor to Suzuki's success, and as long as he was here, he would have guaranteed a good environment for steady progress.

That player was Phillip Danault.

Most of this forum couldn't get rid of him soon enough, because a perfect development scenario for an average Habs fan is pressing young players into roles they are not yet able to handle.

Enjoy the results.

Phil was offered 5 million dollars per season and turned it down to go to LA and regardless of how people felt about him as a player, he chose to leave, he wasn't traded. He is having his usual type od season in LA on a mediocre team and even with him here, this team wouldn't be much better.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Great game last night against great team. He show that he is going to be a force in this league, build around him it's perfect for the new era of Habs.

 

[Halakitlikethat]

He’s their best player this year.

 

[26Mats]

We had a player that was a key contributor to Suzuki's success, and as long as he was here, he would have guaranteed a good environment for steady progress.

That player was Phillip Danault.

Most of this forum couldn't get rid of him soon enough, because a perfect development scenario for an average Habs fan is pressing young players into roles they are not yet able to handle.

Enjoy the results.

Best thing about the Phil decision, was, like the Radulov decision, it made the team much worse, thus getting us a top 5 pick (hopefully) and making MB look bad.

I was a huge Radulov fan, and wanted Phil back for the reasons you mention. But in the end both were good moves to push us toward a full rebuild - or at least new leadership.

 

[Wats]

We had a player that was a key contributor to Suzuki's success, and as long as he was here, he would have guaranteed a good environment for steady progress.

That player was Phillip Danault.

Most of this forum couldn't get rid of him soon enough, because a perfect development scenario for an average Habs fan is pressing young players into roles they are not yet able to handle.

Enjoy the results.

Most people wanting him gone is such an exaggeration...

 

[Schooner Guy]

Most people wanting him gone is such an exaggeration...

I have to agree with the other poster. When Danault wasn't scoring goals the first half of last season, this board was crucifying him. It was very ugly. Go back to game threads from last February if you need to see for yourself.

A person couldn't defend him without getting flamed mercilessly.

 

[Heffyhoof]

I have to agree with the other poster. When Danault wasn't scoring goals the first half of last season, this board was crucifying him. It was very ugly. Go back to game threads from last February if you need to see for yourself.

A person couldn't defend him without getting flamed mercilessly.

When Danault was playing 20+ minutes a night, sucking both offensively and defensively, people were 'crucifying' him because both Suzuki and KK deserved the minutes over him. Not only had they both played way better in the playoffs that Montreal squeaked into the previous Covid year, they also had played better throughout the entire season up until that point.

Rewrite history as it's convenient, but even I admit I never disliked Danault the player, I disliked Danault the 'coach's boy' which a lot of other posters would agree with.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He’s their best player this year.

"Our" best player

 

[Schwang]

I love Suzuki but do you guys think he's a number 1 centre? I'm not convinced yet. He's not a dominating type of player. The Habs need someone to take control of a game and I'm not seeing that from him yet. Hes ranked 50th in points from centre's. I get that the team sucks, but I don't believe that 49 other guys should be ahead of you if you're a number 1 centre.
Sure, he looks amazing at times, but he's not dominant like a number 1 should be. I hope he turns into that.

 

[Schooner Guy]

When Danault was playing 20+ minutes a night, sucking both offensively and defensively, people were 'crucifying' him because both Suzuki and KK deserved the minutes over him. Not only had they both played way better in the playoffs that Montreal squeaked into the previous Covid year, they also had played better throughout the entire season up until that point.

Rewrite history as it's convenient, but even I admit I never disliked Danault the player, I disliked Danault the 'coach's boy' which a lot of other posters would agree with.

LOL! First of all, your entire post proves my point that Danault was getting flamed last year (you even admit it) which the other poster denied.

Second of all, no he DID NOT suck defensively. His line was still our best 5 on 5 line despite him not scoring and despite being matched up against other teams top lines.

 

[Goalfield13]

I love Suzuki but do you guys think he's a number 1 centre? I'm not convinced yet. He's not a dominating type of player. The Habs need someone to take control of a game and I'm not seeing that from him yet. Hes ranked 50th in points from centre's. I get that the team sucks, but I don't believe that 49 other guys should be ahead of you if you're a number 1 centre.
Sure, he looks amazing at times, but he's not dominant like a number 1 should be. I hope he turns into that.

He's a top 6 center. Too good to be considered just a 2C, but too young and inexperienced to classify as a legit 1C. He's somewhere in between. Get him some quality top line wingers, and he will shine, IMO.

 

[Doc5]

I love Suzuki but do you guys think he's a number 1 centre? I'm not convinced yet. He's not a dominating type of player. The Habs need someone to take control of a game and I'm not seeing that from him yet. Hes ranked 50th in points from centre's. I get that the team sucks, but I don't believe that 49 other guys should be ahead of you if you're a number 1 centre.
Sure, he looks amazing at times, but he's not dominant like a number 1 should be. I hope he turns into that.

I guess it depends on the definition of the number 1 centre. If the question is, will he be a top 32 centre in the league? Yes, I have no doubt about that. Right not his main issue is consistency, similar to other young players. As he starts putting it together and his support system is stronger, he will put together long stretches such as the one he is on now. The goal would be to get another top 32 centre through the draft (Wright?) , so that we can roll a 1A and 1 B tandem...we'd be set for a long time then.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

We had a player that was a key contributor to Suzuki's success, and as long as he was here, he would have guaranteed a good environment for steady progress.

That player was Phillip Danault.

Most of this forum couldn't get rid of him soon enough, because a perfect development scenario for an average Habs fan is pressing young players into roles they are not yet able to handle.

Enjoy the results.

No danault had to go. The problem is that the team is full of dogshit players and danault was one of our non-dogshit players so you get what you see now. In the grand scheme of things danault had to go , so did gallagher and plenty of other players though and they are still here so I get what you're saying. And i'd rather have danault over 90% of the team

 

[Andy]

I see Suzuki ending up in the Krejci category of number 1 centres, which is still excellent.

If we can find a Bergeron-lite #2, the habs will be in good hands. Maybe that ends up being Wright

 

[Goalfield13]

I guess it depends on the definition of the number 1 centre. If the question is, will he be a top 32 centre in the league? Yes, I have no doubt about that. Right not his main issue is consistency, similar to other young players. As he starts putting it together and his support system is stronger, he will put together long stretches such as the one he is on now. The goal would be to get another top 32 centre through the draft (Wright?) , so that we can roll a 1A and 1 B tandem...we'd be set for a long time then.

The good thing about this draft is that there are a lot of quality Cs available. Unlike the year we drafted KK, we won't need to reach to draft one with our pick. Wright, Cooley, Savoie, Geekie...

 

[Schwang]

He's a top 6 center. Too good to be considered just a 2C, but too young and inexperienced to classify as a legit 1C. He's somewhere in between. Get him some quality top line wingers, and he will shine, IMO.

Big contract though.....I hope so.

 

[blarneylad]

When Danault was playing 20+ minutes a night, sucking both offensively and defensively, people were 'crucifying' him because both Suzuki and KK deserved the minutes over him. Not only had they both played way better in the playoffs that Montreal squeaked into the previous Covid year, they also had played better throughout the entire season up until that point.

Rewrite history as it's convenient, but even I admit I never disliked Danault the player, I disliked Danault the 'coach's boy' which a lot of other posters would agree with.

Literally exactly this. ^

What is wrong with Montreal isn't guys like Danault. It is the fact that over the last 20 years we have come to be taught to favour defensive side of the game and hard work. Why? because our GMs were not capable of getting us talent up front.

Therefore, the sales pitch of two way hard working players went from a mere marketing tactic to deflect responsibility of making a terrible team from the GM into a philosophy that people can't pull themselves out of.

Do yourselves all a favour and watch a team that drafted and developed their players. And put them into positions to succeed. Ie Florida Panthers, Carolina Hurricanes, Tampa Bay, Boston, Pittsburgh etc.

It's like if you are a youngster in Montreal scoring goals quickly gets negated by a mistake. Zero leash for the youth from the coaching staff all the way to the media.

The fact that Romanov isn't our top pair dman right now and getting starts in OT is evidence of this. I understand that Montreal is showcasing right now, but putting Danault out in OT to start every 3 on 3 last season was a loser's mentality.

Danault the player was great, but the philosophy behind why a player like that should ever be gifted 20 mins a night leads to mediocrity forevermore.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

We had a player that was a key contributor to Suzuki's success, and as long as he was here, he would have guaranteed a good environment for steady progress.

That player was Phillip Danault.

Most of this forum couldn't get rid of him soon enough, because a perfect development scenario for an average Habs fan is pressing young players into roles they are not yet able to handle.

Enjoy the results.

He's fine, with his $8M contract coming up he should be expected to take the lead role and quite frankly he is ready to do so and that's been clear since the playoffs last year

He's on a historically bad Habs team, yet will pan out fine

 

[Goalfield13]

Big contract though.....I hope so.

To be fair, he's only 22, and the team sucks this year.

 

[Schwang]

To be fair, he's only 22, and the team sucks this year.

For sure. I hope I'm making too much out of it.

 

[blarneylad]

I love Suzuki but do you guys think he's a number 1 centre? I'm not convinced yet. He's not a dominating type of player. The Habs need someone to take control of a game and I'm not seeing that from him yet. Hes ranked 50th in points from centre's. I get that the team sucks, but I don't believe that 49 other guys should be ahead of you if you're a number 1 centre.
Sure, he looks amazing at times, but he's not dominant like a number 1 should be. I hope he turns into that.

Suzuki is a secondary player not a play driver. He is like a Landeskog in Colorado. Great hockey player, contributes greatly. But isn't the driver of the team ie Rantanan, MacKinnon, Makar.

Or he can be seen as a Nugent-Hopkins like player behind the depth chart of Draisaitl and McDavid.

If we think Suzuki will be the driver to bring us to the Cup we will be talking about this in 10 years that he was a lesser version of Koivu.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

We had a player that was a key contributor to Suzuki's success, and as long as he was here, he would have guaranteed a good environment for steady progress.

That player was Phillip Danault.

Most of this forum couldn't get rid of him soon enough, because a perfect development scenario for an average Habs fan is pressing young players into roles they are not yet able to handle.

Enjoy the results.

Amen to this.