TSN: Nick Robertson requests trade from Toronto

[Honour Over Glory]

I mean we have been more than patient with him, he's had so many injuries and now he just wants out when there's actually a spot available for him. potentially even in the top 6, where else will he have a chance in the top 6 playing with a player like Matthews or Marner, wanting out now imo doesn't make alot of sense but if he wants out then cya

We? Lol.

A player can want out because he wants a fresh start with a new team and usage, he doesn't owe you jack shit and you don't get to pretend like you're part of the team where you were patient with him. You don't know what goes on behind the scenes, there could be a multitude of reasons he wants out of there. But this f***ed up ignorance about players wanting out and then being shitty towards the player - showing what toxic fanbases look like.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

We? Lol.

A player can want out because he wants a fresh start with a new team and usage, he doesn't owe you jack shit and you don't get to pretend like you're part of the team where you were patient with him. You don't know what goes on behind the scenes, there could be a multitude of reasons he wants out of there. But this f***ed up ignorance about players wanting out and then being shitty towards the player - showing what toxic fanbases look like.

as in the leafs........ the team I cheer for. never said he did owe us anything but its understandable for fans to be a little mad at him

and the leafs have been very patient with him. where else does he have a legit chance in the top 6 right now? it seems kinda odd to want out just as a golden opportunity is right there for the taking.

take your attitude else where pal, dont care for it at all

 

[TheBeastCoast]

We? Lol.

A player can want out because he wants a fresh start with a new team and usage, he doesn't owe you jack shit and you don't get to pretend like you're part of the team where you were patient with him. You don't know what goes on behind the scenes, there could be a multitude of reasons he wants out of there. But this f***ed up ignorance about players wanting out and then being shitty towards the player - showing what toxic fanbases look like.

He is allowed to want out and the team is allowed to say no. He only has to wait...4 or 5 years. I would imagine something gets worked out and he is playing lol

 

[leafsfan2point0]

Suck it up for a year, make 1 million dollars, score 20+ goals, and then go back to the states because teams will actually want to trade for him then.

 

[jjniner]

Blues offer Zach Dean

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Suck it up for a year, make 1 million dollars, score 20+ goals, and then go back to the states because teams will actually want to trade for him then.

I mean he scored 14 goals in 56 games ( 21 goal pace ) with very limited ice time . 20 plus would be easy to envision

 

[Leaf Fans]

We? Lol.

A player can want out because he wants a fresh start with a new team and usage, he doesn't owe you jack shit and you don't get to pretend like you're part of the team where you were patient with him. You don't know what goes on behind the scenes, there could be a multitude of reasons he wants out of there. But this f***ed up ignorance about players wanting out and then being shitty towards the player - showing what toxic fanbases look like.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

 

[TheFinalWord]

We? Lol.

A player can want out because he wants a fresh start with a new team and usage, he doesn't owe you jack shit and you don't get to pretend like you're part of the team where you were patient with him. You don't know what goes on behind the scenes, there could be a multitude of reasons he wants out of there. But this f***ed up ignorance about players wanting out and then being shitty towards the player - showing what toxic fanbases look like.

Every fanbase is the same. Some just have more fans, and therefore more idiots. But those larger fanbases also have more 'good' fans.

 

[Seras]

He's been injured, hasn't played well and has now let others know he isn't happy.

Literally could not have any less leverage if he tried.

His best chance at getting what he wants is obviously being lucky enough to stay healthy while playing well and keeping his mouth shut, hope he can do all 3

 

[orcatown]

They both played for team USA in the Wjc , but they aren't the same.

Are in terms of how Leaf fans try to flog him off in one -sided trades. Leafers spend years trying to flip Bracco in trades right up to the time he headed off to Europe or whereever. Got to be a joke.

Now doing the same thing with Robertson and if he so good then just keep him.

Funny how Leaf fans now declare Bracco a bum and like no where near as good as Robertson after drooling over Bracco when he scored 79 points in the AHL. Supposedly, then, a legitimate rising star and player that should bring a massive return in any trade. Sort of like Robertson now.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Are in terms of how Leaf fans try to flog him off in one -sided trades. Leafers spend years trying to flip Bracco in trades right up to the time he headed off to Europe or whereever. Got to be a joke.

Now doing the same thing with Robertson and if he so good then just keep him.

Funny how Leaf fans now declare Bracco a bum and like no where near as good as Robertson after drooling over Bracco when he scored 79 points in the AHL. Supposedly, then, a legitimate rising star and player that should bring a massive return in any trade. Sort of like Robertson now.

Yeah, there were a lot of trade proposals for Bracco then. Some by Maple Leafs fans too!

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Are in terms of how Leaf fans try to flog him off in one -sided trades. Leafers spend years trying to flip Bracco in trades right up to the time he headed off to Europe or whereever. Got to be a joke.

Now doing the same thing with Robertson and if he so good then just keep him.

Funny how Leaf fans now declare Bracco a bum and like no where near as good as Robertson after drooling over Bracco when he scored 79 points in the AHL. Supposedly, then, a legitimate rising star and player that should bring a massive return in any trade. Sort of like Robertson now.

Like the vast majority of Leaf fans right now after he has requested a trade would rather just keep him. You are completely out to lunch on this one. I am sure you and your fanbase have never eveeeer hyped up a prospect that has turned out to be a bust either get out of here with that garbage.

 

[mydnyte]

Are in terms of how Leaf fans try to flog him off in one -sided trades. Leafers spend years trying to flip Bracco in trades right up to the time he headed off to Europe or whereever. Got to be a joke.

Now doing the same thing with Robertson and if he so good then just keep him.

Funny how Leaf fans now declare Bracco a bum and like no where near as good as Robertson after drooling over Bracco when he scored 79 points in the AHL. Supposedly, then, a legitimate rising star and player that should bring a massive return in any trade. Sort of like Robertson now.

I dont think any knowledgeable fans have ever consider him a 'bum'
Bracco was a good rising prospect, who's off ice life ruined his career, not his lack of talent or ability.
Nothing like Robertson, now, or ever.

 

[BlueBaron]

So would a Podkolzin for Robertson trade work?

Podz can maybe be a top 6 guy but he is a safe bet to be at the very least a 3rd/4th liner this year, unlike Robertson who has to be a top 6 asset or else hes not good enough for the lineup.

would make sense for the Canucks they can either slide him in with Petey and DeBrusk or Miller and Boeser in the top, and then push Heinen,Suter, or Hoglander down to the bottom 6.

Tbh it's unlikely he is traded until he increases his value. He needs a 70 something game season behind his belt.

 

[orcatown]

Like the vast majority of Leaf fans right now after he has requested a trade would rather just keep him. You are completely out to lunch on this one. I am sure you and your fanbase have never eveeeer hyped up a prospect that has turned out to be a bust either get out of here with that garbage.

Maybe other teams have hyped a prospect but the Leaf Bracco nonsense set the standard in how ridiculous this could get. Should go back and look at the Bracco thread. Get a good laugh out of that.

Point here isn't that Bracco busted but how fans tried to boost a prospect when he was never NHL material to begin with (and Bracco, for whatever reason surely wasn't) and are clearly trying to get something for nothing or pretty close to nothing.

Robertson, right now, is in the unproven category and you just don't get much of anything for those types. Like me saying Podkolzin is worth a proven NHL d-man with a good cap hit.

And if the overwhelming number of Leaf fans want to keep him, why are so many trying to trade him. Just make him happy by expanding his role on the team.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Maybe other teams have hyped a prospect but the Leaf Bracco nonsense set the standard in how ridiculous this could get. Should go back and look at the Bracco thread. Get a good laugh out of that.

Point here isn't that Bracco busted but how fans tried to boost a prospect when he was never NHL material to begin with (and Bracco, for whatever reason surely wasn't) and are clearly trying to get something for nothing or pretty close to nothing.

Robertson, right now, is in the unproven category and you just don't get much of anything for those types. Like me saying Podkolzin is worth a proven NHL d-man with a good cap hit.

And if the overwhelming number of Leaf fans want to keep him, why are so many trying to trade him. Just make him happy by expanding his role on the team.

He needs to sign . Hes a rfa , that’s a main issue. I think many want to keep him after his 14 goal in 56 game season . That’s a 20 plus goal pace . He certainly would have value if dealt

 

[RangersFan1994]

He is not that good of a player. AHL player at best

 

[Leaf Fans]

Maybe other teams have hyped a prospect but the Leaf Bracco nonsense set the standard in how ridiculous this could get. Should go back and look at the Bracco thread. Get a good laugh out of that.

Point here isn't that Bracco busted but how fans tried to boost a prospect when he was never NHL material to begin with (and Bracco, for whatever reason surely wasn't) and are clearly trying to get something for nothing or pretty close to nothing.

Robertson, right now, is in the unproven category and you just don't get much of anything for those types. Like me saying Podkolzin is worth a proven NHL d-man with a good cap hit.

And if the overwhelming number of Leaf fans want to keep him, why are so many trying to trade him. Just make him happy by expanding his role on the team.

Let's see the Bracco thread. Some people are putting Robertson in proposals because he asked for a trade and it is summer.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Maybe other teams have hyped a prospect but the Leaf Bracco nonsense set the standard in how ridiculous this could get. Should go back and look at the Bracco thread. Get a good laugh out of that.

Point here isn't that Bracco busted but how fans tried to boost a prospect when he was never NHL material to begin with (and Bracco, for whatever reason surely wasn't) and are clearly trying to get something for nothing or pretty close to nothing.

Robertson, right now, is in the unproven category and you just don't get much of anything for those types. Like me saying Podkolzin is worth a proven NHL d-man with a good cap hit.

And if the overwhelming number of Leaf fans want to keep him, why are so many trying to trade him. Just make him happy by expanding his role on the team.

I am sorry Jeremey Bracco triggered you but I promise you he was no different than any other young player that had a good season and then busted lol. As for trading Robertson…it is the middle of the off season he is currently unsigned and has asked for a trade. Shockingly there is going to be a thread about what he could return in a trade the player has literally asked for lmao that does not mean the fans want to trade him…which the over whelming majority do not want to do. You can do better next time I believe in you.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

He is not that good of a player. AHL player at best

How is he an AHL player "at best" when he was already a point per game player in that league at a young age? Man some people around here really struggle to articulate their opinion without massive exaggeration.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

How is he an AHL player "at best" when he was already a point per game player in that league at a young age? Man some people around here really struggle to articulate their opinion without massive exaggeration.

probably just trolling? I don't know

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Maybe other teams have hyped a prospect but the Leaf Bracco nonsense set the standard in how ridiculous this could get. Should go back and look at the Bracco thread. Get a good laugh out of that.

Point here isn't that Bracco busted but how fans tried to boost a prospect when he was never NHL material to begin with (and Bracco, for whatever reason surely wasn't) and are clearly trying to get something for nothing or pretty close to nothing.

Robertson, right now, is in the unproven category and you just don't get much of anything for those types. Like me saying Podkolzin is worth a proven NHL d-man with a good cap hit.

And if the overwhelming number of Leaf fans want to keep him, why are so many trying to trade him. Just make him happy by expanding his role on the team.

I'm not really sure why you keep bringing up Bracco as a comparison, It's not the same, It's just not.

Robertson has at least somewhat performed at the NHL level granted It's not a major sample size but Robertson did have 14 goals in 56 games last year that works out to 21 or 22 goals over an 82 game season.

Bracco never came close to that, he never showed any potential to play, Robertson has.

You asked why don't we just keep him? Personally I think that's what happens, I think he signs a contract in September before camp because he has no leverage other than sitting out the entire year and that would be profoundly stupid.

As for why so many Leaf fans are trying to trade him, we aren't, he's requested a trade and It's being discussed, that's what happens when a player requests a trade.

 

[Space umpire]

Can't say this trend in sports of athletes demanding trades is something I can get behind. What happened with just toughing it out with your team, through thick and thin, and letting one's play dictate the opportunities they get, allowing their contributions to determine how the team manages them.

True, a bad coach and management can underutilize players, but it just seems to be a bit of an entitled mentality for players to request or even demand trades. Berube may recognize his value. The fact that the Leafs haven't yet traded him shows they see some value here.

Imagine a scenario where you have 10 years to earn a living and are wanting to live a certain lifestyle and likely provide your children and grandchildren the same lifestyle.
In a nutshell the more you make during those years the better lifestyle type you provide.

Then in your opinion (and others) your employer misuses and/or mismanages your talents greatly limiting the yearly income levels you can achieve.
Your opinion is the guy should suck it for at least 7 years and if he’s still healthy then seek the security.

I’m not a Leaf or Robertson fan but his limited use stats clearly show he has 25/30 goal potential.
He could do that in a 3rd line role with a solid defensive center and a winger strong on the boards.

 

[Stephen]

We? Lol.

A player can want out because he wants a fresh start with a new team and usage, he doesn't owe you jack shit and you don't get to pretend like you're part of the team where you were patient with him. You don't know what goes on behind the scenes, there could be a multitude of reasons he wants out of there. But this f***ed up ignorance about players wanting out and then being shitty towards the player - showing what toxic fanbases look like.

Rather sanctimonious take there.

Robertson's stock skycrocketed in his draft plus one year and the Leafs management hoped to accelerate his path to the NHL by giving him top 6 duties in the 2020 bubble playoff series a la Logan Stankoven in Dallas this year, but he wasn't exactly ready and circumstances were difficult.

Between 2021 and 2023, he suffered a knee injury, a broken leg and a season ending shoulder injury from a routine Matt Roy hit and missed a ton of developmental time, NHL spot duty and wasn't much of an option for the Leafs.

Fast forward to 2024, Robertson is 23 and shows some flashes of production, but is otherwise utilized as a young 13th forward on an ELC, shuttled between AHL and NHL duty.

So looking back on this brief history, it's hard to see where the Leafs did this guy wrong other than accelerate the initial promotion which led to some accelerated expectations, plus a series of massive injury setbacks and lost time.

Ideally, the partnership between a team and player is a virtuous cycle of investment and growth and mutually beneficial: player flourishes and becomes a contributing member of a successful team. When you say a player doesn't owe a team anything, that's fine, but why would an organization need to do anything to accommodate if it's not good for the team?

Accusations of the team and fanbase being "toxic" by an outsider is meaningless, especially when they have ulterior motives like wanting to acquire Robertson for pennies on the dollar.

 

[Stephen]

Imagine a scenario where you have 10 years to earn a living and are wanting to live a certain lifestyle and likely provide your children and grandchildren the same lifestyle.
In a nutshell the more you make during those years the better lifestyle type you provide.

Then in your opinion (and others) your employer misuses and/or mismanages your talents greatly limiting the yearly income levels you can achieve.
Your opinion is the guy should suck it for at least 7 years and if he’s still healthy then seek the security.

I’m not a Leaf or Robertson fan but his limited use stats clearly show he has 25/30 goal potential.
He could do that in a 3rd line role with a solid defensive center and a winger strong on the boards.

What you're missing in this whole equation is Robertson suffered 3 massive injuries in 2021, 2022 and 2023, so the accusations of the Leafs limiting his use and mismanaging him to his financial detriment is a load of crap.

Robertson’s poor luck with injuries continues. The non-displaced fracture of his right fibula in 2021-22 was his most notable injury, but he also suffered a knee injury in his 2020-21 season debut as well as a groin injury and a concussion recently.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4097688/2023/01/16/nick-robertson-surgery-injury-maple-leafs/

How would his career have gone any differently had he played for 31 other teams and been this fragile?