They won't get proper value for him, so they are better off holding onto him and letting him play out the year.What would Toronto want for him?
We're talking a player who has never scored 15. He's not going to score 30. He's a potential 20 goal scorer. Lots of entire rosters didn't even have a 30 goal guy. He's not the best player on any team in the league and isn't in most top 6s.This guy is going to score 30 if given the proper opportunity. Toronto should keep him and give him more opportunities playing top 6 and PP.
We're talking a player who has never scored 15. He's not going to score 30. He's a potential 20 goal scorer. Lots of entire rosters didn't even have a 30 goal guy. He's not the best player on any team in the league and isn't in most top 6s.
Agree to disagree I suppose. I just looked at his usage, his goal totals and his shot, his development and figure he's better than the 14 goals and 11mins average time on ice with no powerplay but what do I know?We're talking a player who has never scored 15. He's not going to score 30. He's a potential 20 goal scorer. Lots of entire rosters didn't even have a 30 goal guy. He's not the best player on any team in the league and isn't in most top 6s.
Again, this is silly. The guy shot 15% and had 14 goals as a career high. I'm not saying the premise is wrong that he has more to give and might one day hit 20. I'm just saying guys like Jason Robertson, Jack Hughes, Tkachuk, Scheifele ect didn't hit 30 last year. Nick isn't close to as good of a goal scorer as any of those guys. He's more likely to be out of the league in 3 years than he is to hit 30 goals.16 ES goals in his first 87 career games as a U22 kid, averaging just 11 mins per game. It's no stretch at all to suggest he could be a 25-30 goal guy in the future. Maybe right away if given consistent top 9 and PP time.
We're talking a player who has never scored 15. He's not going to score 30. He's a potential 20 goal scorer. Lots of entire rosters didn't even have a 30 goal guy. He's not the best player on any team in the league and isn't in most top 6s.
Well by saying he's a future 30 goal scorer you're saying he is since 13 teams didn't have a 30 goal scorer.Who said he was?!![]()
This doesn't make sense. You can be the best player on a team and not score the most goals.Well by saying he's a future 30 goal scorer you're saying he is since 13 teams didn't have a 30 goal scorer.
Again, this is silly. The guy shot 15% and had 14 goals as a career high. I'm not saying the premise is wrong that he has more to give and might one day hit 20. I'm just saying guys like Jason Robertson, Jack Hughes, Tkachuk, Scheifele ect didn't hit 30 last year. Nick isn't close to as good of a goal scorer as any of those guys. He's more likely to be out of the league in 3 years than he is to hit 30 goals.
It makes sense. It's not universal is what you meant to say. The best player scores the most goals for almost half the teams in the league. When 13 teams don't have a 30 goal scorer there are multiple teams he'd be the best player for doing that.This doesn't make sense. You can be the best player on a team and not score the most goals.
No. I'm saying he could be a 20 goal scorer. He's not going to be a 30 goal scorer. You're doing mental gymnastics here trying to justify a terrible opinion based on nothing he's done at the NHL level."A career high", dude he had only played 31 games across parts of three seasons prior, never more than 15 games, he was only a few games over the threshold for being Calder eligible this season. That 14 goals came in his first "full" season in the league, which was still only 56 games - that's an 82 game pace of 20.5 goals in his only year that was close to a complete season. You're basically saying he's never going to produce at a better rate than he did as a 22 year old rookie.
Robertson has scored at every level himself. Natural offensive talent right from a young age in minor hockey. 55 goals in 46 games for his last OHL season. 22 goals in his last 39 AHL games across the last three seasons. Over 20 goal pace in his first full NHL season with little usage, he can score.
Well by saying he's a future 30 goal scorer you're saying he is since 13 teams didn't have a 30 goal scorer.
No. I'm saying he could be a 20 goal scorer. He's not going to be a 30 goal scorer. You're doing mental gymnastics here trying to justify a terrible opinion based on nothing he's done at the NHL level.
Matt Phillips was a pretty impressive WHLer. How's he done in the NHL?
He did have PP time. That's not true. I figure he could be better than 14 goals too. Just not 30. Connor McDavid barely scored 30 goals. Tkachuk, Hughes, Jason Robertson, Zibenajad ect didn't score 30 goals. How many players his size have scored 30 over the last 3 seasons? We're talking 2 guys in Gaudreau and Debrincat and they haven't done it every year.Agree to disagree I suppose. I just looked at his usage, his goal totals and his shot, his development and figure he's better than the 14 goals and 11mins average time on ice with no powerplay but what do I know?
Robertson+Liljegren for McGroarty+6th in 25 or 26 ?
What directly was said is he's going to hit 30 with the right usage. I think that's silly. I agree with the bolded. Many teams would have interest in a guy who could hit 20 with some pretty big flaws elsewhere in his game.First of all I didn't say "he's a future 30 goal scorer" either, although I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that prediction.
Under the right circumstances, maybe even on another roster, we could see Nick hit another level and possibly reach 30.
And, believe it or not, hitting that mark wouldn't necessarily make him the best player on the team, either. But he can certainly be a player many teams would love to add to the roster, which I thought was what we're talking about.
This rings as what has been said about every Leafs players/prospects for 7 years. Sure, some have been traded.They won't get proper value for him, so they are better off holding onto him and letting him play out the year.
Leafs have all the leverage here when it comes to Robertson and where he plays.
Well, for myself, a player of similar age who's underperforming and/or also needs a change of scenery.What would Toronto want for him?
What directly was said is he's going to hit 30 with the right usage. I think that's silly. I agree with the bolded. Many teams would have interest in a guy who could hit 20 with some pretty big flaws elsewhere in his game.
I think he is the most overrated prospect I have seen. Leafs fans have been propping him up like he is something great for years now. This is a nothing player. Pretty small, weak, barely can stay healthy. Nice shot, though.
He has to play in your top 6 in a sheltered role. The Leafs need some bit in their top 6. It's why guys like Domi and Bertuzzi were playing there despite similar skill to Robertson. I do think people are insane here. Saying he's going to score as many goals as McDavid did last year seems foolhardy.I think he is the most overrated prospect I have seen. Leafs fans have been propping him up like he is something great for years now. This is a nothing player. Pretty small, weak, barely can stay healthy. Nice shot, though.