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Confirmed with Link: Nick Ritchie to Toronto (2x2.5M AAV)

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CupcakeSprinkles said:
You are understanding the moves wrong, Kerfoot would slide up into a Hyman esque role. Additional depth acquired now insulates Kerfoot move up to the top 6. The additional depth also has made us into a more complete team by replacing redundant player types.

As mentioned, Hyman is a great player just not a 5.5M player to sign for our team. I think he will do well early on, however, that is an extremely risky contract in the back-half given age & playing style. Is there a massive jump between Hyman and Kerfoot compared to Hyman and Marner? I personally do not see that as the case. One of the best playmakers will play with the best scorers and life will go on.

The issue will be not having Tavares (or any of the top 4) injured going into a playoff round and having said players show-up. The Hyman leaving narrative does not close our window.
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zeke said:
Nope.

I'll bet on talent over "clutch".
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You'll rather bet on choking dogs, OK got it. Makes no sense to me but whatever.

I'd rather go down a different path but then again, I wouldn't call our players choking dogs either. That's just disrespectful, there's no reason for it and it just shows a lack of class on your part. JMHO.
 
Gary Nylund said:
You'll rather bet on choking dogs, OK got it. Makes no sense to me but whatever.

I'd rather go down a different path but then again, I wouldn't call our players choking dogs either. That's just disrespectful, there's no reason for it and it just shows a lack of class on your part. JMHO.
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You grew up watching many undertalented leafs teams that "clutched up" in the playoffs. Interspersed with long stretches of having a super gritty team that could barely or not even make the playoffs.

Why are you so eager to go back to that?
 
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zeke said:
You grew up watching many undertalented leafs teams that "clutched up" in the playoffs. Interspersed with long stretches of having a super gritty team that could barely or not even make the playoffs.

Why are you so eager to go back to that?
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If that's what you think then your reading comprehension ability on a scale of 0-10 is 0.
 
Gary Nylund said:
I gotta say, I'm glad you are so optimistic as I would definitely like to feel better about our chances than I do now. You're a pretty smart poster IMO so if you think we can win, that makes me feel a bit better I guess. Moxie ... yeah we'll see, I get what you're saying but we've just been so damn pathetic in deciding games which suggests that there's no moxie to show. But you never know I guess, there's a ton of talent there, maybe the mix is indeed better this season, maybe ...

I think Dubas overpaid Marner but not the end of the world and other than that, I like most of the moves he's made. I completely agree that if not for covid, we'd probably be fine and my biggest knock on Dubas is that he seems to be staying the course and if I was him, I'd pivot hard now that we know that the cap will remain flat for several more years. It's hard to see us winning with that much cap tied up in three forwards so one has to go and the obvious choice for me is Marner. I feel pretty strongly about it too so I'm not a happy camper right now.

Maybe we can win by staying the course, nothing's impossible but I'd like our chances better if we went down the trading Marner path, that's all. And I am of course hoping to be proven wrong but our margin for error is basically gone and if we don't have some success in the couple of years (and I mean more than just winning one round) then it's easy to picture Matthews wanting to go some place else and then we are truly f..ked.
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Thanks!
I'm pretty optimistic yes. Just barely though.
My hope is that we are bringing good grit in now, kase the only question mark and only his health.
Also what's weird was in the cbj series I was thinking how much I would like Ritchie on this team and I'm in no way a fan of him, so I'm hoping there is some magical alignment in the universe with this hahahaha

As for Marner, it's hard to move on from a possible 100 point player that pks too but I do see what you are saying and it is quite logical. Our young guys are 25-26 now so fort me this is the real start of their window imo and reports of of Arizona about the management team are not good, specifically the why they handled fluery, so hopefully Matthews won't think about going to that tire for ever!
 
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Gary Nylund said:
You'll rather bet on choking dogs, OK got it. Makes no sense to me but whatever.

I'd rather go down a different path but then again, I wouldn't call our players choking dogs either. That's just disrespectful, there's no reason for it and it just shows a lack of class on your part. JMHO.
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What are top players were the definition of choking dogs in the playoffs, well in fact only about 3 forwards showed up but if you don't have you best players producing you aren't going to win much, which is what happened. If Marner and Matthews produced a few more goals and to an extent the PP, we win that series. Our defence and goaltending was solid. Did people even watch the playoffs? Trust me Marner is my favourite player, but he was a no show.

At the same time they're both still very young, and have shown in previous playoffs they can produce. Giving up on them now would be one of the dumbest things the team could do.

Oh yea Ritchie, woo I guess.
 
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Leafs at Knight said:
What are top players were the definition of choking dogs in the playoffs, well in fact only about 3 forwards showed up but if you don't have you best players producing you aren't going to win much, which is what happened. If Marner and Matthews produced a few more goals and to an extent the PP, we win that series. Our defence and goaltending was solid. Did people even watch the playoffs? Trust me Marner is my favourite player, but he was a no show.

At the same time they're both still very young, and have shown in previous playoffs they can produce. Giving up on them now would be one of the dumbest things the team could do.

Oh yea Ritchie, woo I guess.
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This was awesome. LOL
 
Racer88 said:
If they can find a way to motivate him……the book on him is that he is unmotivated…….
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Ill judge based on what I see in a Leafs jersey. Not every Bruins fan is bashing him. Many thought he did well and don't know why he wasn't qualified. I'll pass my own judgement. We are certainly the same here when we lose guys. It's 50/50 on bashing, or wishing the player well and wish we kept him. Time will tell, but I'm optimistic on this signing.
 
WayneTrain said:
Ill judge based on what I see in a Leafs jersey. Not every Bruins fan is bashing him. Many thought he did well and don't know why he wasn't qualified. I'll pass my own judgement. We are certainly the same here when we lose guys. It's 50/50 on bashing, or wishing the player well and wish we kept him. Time will tell, but I'm optimistic on this signing.
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I’m prepared to wait and see, I’m just not prepared to get to exited about him yet
 
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Racer88 said:
Primary cause for sure but the secondary cause was due to the unbalance cap distribution there wasn’t much left in the cupboard to take up the slack.
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Except the depth produced in the playoffs, like they had all season, so that's wrong.
 
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saltming said:
Thanks!
I'm pretty optimistic yes. Just barely though.
My hope is that we are bringing good grit in now, kase the only question mark and only his health.
Also what's weird was in the cbj series I was thinking how much I would like Ritchie on this team and I'm in no way a fan of him, so I'm hoping there is some magical alignment in the universe with this hahahaha

As for Marner, it's hard to move on from a possible 100 point player that pks too but I do see what you are saying and it is quite logical. Our young guys are 25-26 now so fort me this is the real start of their window imo and reports of of Arizona about the management team are not good, specifically the why they handled fluery, so hopefully Matthews won't think about going to that tire for ever!
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I'd have no trouble whatsoever moving on from Marner. We have a ton of talent on this team, so far that hasn't gotten us anywhere and even if we trade Marner we'd still have a bunch of talent left plus there would be plenty coming back in a trade. And his poor playoff performance (especially this season) makes the idea of losing him much less painful - anyone can have an off year but it's becoming normal for him and for the kind of money he's being paid, that just doesn't cut it.

I figured our window has been open for several years now and it's very disappointing that we don't even have one PO series win yet.

I'm not worried about Matthews going to Arizona but there are many other options if he decides he doesn't want to stay here. If we don't start having playoff success very soon, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he decided he wanted a change of scenery.

Leafs at Knight said:
What are top players were the definition of choking dogs in the playoffs, well in fact only about 3 forwards showed up but if you don't have you best players producing you aren't going to win much, which is what happened. If Marner and Matthews produced a few more goals and to an extent the PP, we win that series. Our defence and goaltending was solid. Did people even watch the playoffs? Trust me Marner is my favourite player, but he was a no show.

At the same time they're both still very young, and have shown in previous playoffs they can produce. Giving up on them now would be one of the dumbest things the team could do.

Oh yea Ritchie, woo I guess.
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Marner was a disappointment for sure, I still think calling our players dogs isn't called for.

Players are traded all the time, it doesn't mean that teams are "giving up" on them. My thinking is that we might have more success with a better balanced roster and there's plenty of reasoning behind that. And you best believe that if we send Marner packing, there are some very valuable assets coming back to us.
 
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zeke said:
Except the depth produced in the playoffs, like they had all season, so that's wrong.
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Forward Production Playoffs

Matthews/Marner/Tavares: 1gls
Nylander/Hyman/Foligno: 6gls
Kerfoot/Galchenyuk/Mikheyev: 2gls
Spezza/Thornton/Simmonds: 4gls
Engvall/Brooks/Nash: 0gls

Defense: 5gls

There's a problem there, but it absolutely wasn't "depth production".
 
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