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Confirmed with Link: Nick Ritchie to Toronto (2x2.5M AAV)

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Gary Nylund said:
The deal seems fine and I think Dubas does a good job finding spare parts. The problem is that spare parts is all we can afford because he's stubbornly committed to keeping our top heavy salary cap structure intact. JMHO.
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I don't disagree with you. I think he got rinsed on the Marner contract. To the point I genuinely begrudge Marner. He's a TO boy and he left NOTHING on the table. I don't respect Mitch and I would not shed a single tear if he was traded. AM got the big bucks, but he is the main man and the 1C. They get paid and understandable so.

I have zero respect for Mitch Marner and his negotiation. Come the end of his career, he'll be a rich man, but he won't have the success that he should have had and that will be no-one's fault but his own.
 
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zeke said:
Because our stars are choking dogs and should be traded asap.
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Well, ok. Maybe not ASAP. Maybe they need another 5 post seasons to finally, consistently play to their standards and abilities, never mind raise the bar by finding another gear when hockey matters.

But is there a timeline at all as to how little my this choking is acceptable, until it does become ASAP?

How many more elimination games, and now vs vastly inferior teams to boot, do we get the sort of offensive production that even a prime Hasek wouldn’t win with out of these two spineless pretenders before it becomes ASAP?
 
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Hot Pockets said:
Well, ok. Maybe not ASAP. Maybe they need another 5 post seasons to finally, consistently play to their standards and abilities, never mind raise the bar by finding another gear when hockey matters.

But is there a timeline at all as to how little my this choking is acceptable, until it does become ASAP?

How many more elimination games, and now vs vastly inferior teams to boot, do we get the sort of offensive production that even a prime Hasek wouldn’t win with out of these two spineless pretenders before it becomes ASAP?
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Personally I can't wait to go back to the no-star leafs I watched for the previous 30yrs.
 
zeke said:
Because our stars are choking dogs and should be traded asap.
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You don't have a good answer so you're spewing nonsense instead. Not the most intelligent look but if that's all you got, then that's all you got.

GBLeaf said:
I don't disagree with you. I think he got rinsed on the Marner contract. To the point I genuinely begrudge Marner. He's a TO boy and he left NOTHING on the table. I don't respect Mitch and I would not shed a single tear if he was traded. AM got the big bucks, but he is the main man and the 1C. They get paid and understandable so.

I have zero respect for Mitch Marner and his negotiation. Come the end of his career, he'll be a rich man, but he won't have the success that he should have had and that will be no-one's fault but his own.
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Yeah I think many people feel the same, totally understandable. Maybe he turns it around, we have some playoff success and he signs his next deal at a discount, we win a cup and he's a hero, anything's possible I guess. For now though, it sure does seem to be trending the way you describe, not a good situation. I've been on the trade Marner train for some time now, not just because of what you said but also because of his poor play in the playoffs and because it's hard to see us winning the cup with 3 forwards taking up so much cap room in this flat cap situation we find ourselves in. We're in a tough division too so it's not hard to see us losing again in the 1st round and then there's a real danger of our stars not wanting to stay here and the rats just might start fleeing the ship so to speak.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
You don't have a good answer so you're spewing nonsense instead. Not the most intelligent look but if that's all you got, then that's all you got.



Yeah I think many people feel the same, totally understandable. Maybe he turns it around, we have some playoff success and he signs his next deal at a discount, we win a cup and he's a hero, anything's possible I guess. For now though, it sure does seem to be trending the way you describe, not a good situation. I've been on the trade Marner train for some time now, not just because of what you said but also because of his poor play in the playoffs and because it's hard to see us winning the cup with 3 forwards taking up so much cap room in this flat cap situation we find ourselves in. We're in a tough division too so it's not hard to see us losing again in the 1st round and then there's a real danger of our stars not wanting to stay here and the rats just might start fleeing the ship so to speak.
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He is probably one of the reasons I find the team somewhat unlikeable.

I don't think coaching is helping any.

Watching them on the PP, taking dumb, idiotic chances with the puck going the other way over and over again, without any sort of corrective action being seen.

Kind of whatever you want to do pretty-boy.
 
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zeke said:
What's wrong with that answer?
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So you were being serious and you think our stars are "choking dogs"?

ULF_55 said:
He is probably one of the reasons I find the team somewhat unlikeable.

I don't think coaching is helping any.

Watching them on the PP, taking dumb, idiotic chances with the puck going the other way over and over again, without any sort of corrective action being seen.

Kind of whatever you want to do pretty-boy.
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Yup, I think it's fair to say that Marner is pretty unlikeable at this point and that powerplay is an embarrassment, no doubt about it. I feel your pain.
 
Bluelines said:
Plunkett won in 1981 and 1984 as the QB for the Raiders. Raiders won their other one in '77.
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76, 80 (my favourite) and 83. The NFL defines seasons based on when the bulk of the season is played, not the date of the Super Bowl.

ULF_55 said:
I'm not sold on Ritchie making the first line but if he earns it he earns it.
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This can't be stressed enough. I don't want to see crap like last year when Thornton was deemed worthy of being on the first line before the first practice session. He was a 41 year-old cheap free agent, not Tavares.

Really stupid and inexcusable decision by Keefe.
 
zeke said:
We've definitely lost the last two playoffs because those guys couldn't score.

How do you explain it?
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The Leafs lost because they 'lack toughness' and 'their D sucks'.

"Name 2 lies that keep getting repeated ad nausieum by our dimmest fans for $1000, Alex"
 
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zeke said:
We've definitely lost the last two playoffs because those guys couldn't score.

How do you explain it?
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Answering a question with a question - classic deflection.

Come on now, you're the one who's always talking about how good the team is, how do you explain the fact that as the stakes rise, we play worse and worse?
 
Gary Nylund said:
You don't have a good answer so you're spewing nonsense instead. Not the most intelligent look but if that's all you got, then that's all you got.



Yeah I think many people feel the same, totally understandable. Maybe he turns it around, we have some playoff success and he signs his next deal at a discount, we win a cup and he's a hero, anything's possible I guess. For now though, it sure does seem to be trending the way you describe, not a good situation. I've been on the trade Marner train for some time now, not just because of what you said but also because of his poor play in the playoffs and because it's hard to see us winning the cup with 3 forwards taking up so much cap room in this flat cap situation we find ourselves in. We're in a tough division too so it's not hard to see us losing again in the 1st round and then there's a real danger of our stars not wanting to stay here and the rats just might start fleeing the ship so to speak.
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I'm going to say that I think we can win with the core making that money. I think kase is the lynch pin to this coming season. If healthy our top 6 will be big and nasty, and I think we all know Marner player very well when Martin was here watching over him, so if it's Ritchie doing that even better.
Posters complained we weren't tough and no pushback, now we have that and I think it will allow the big 4, well really 2 as Willie performed well and JT was taken out, to show their moxie.
Another point to the anti Dubas posts, not you as I don't even know if you've made any, if not for covid freezing the cap for 2 years we would not be so worried about the cap hits of the 3. So unless Dubas knew covid was going to shut down the world I don't think it's fair to direct so much vitriol towards him for those contracts.
Thanks for letting me rant Gary
:)
 
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kb said:
The Leafs lost because they 'lack toughness' and 'their D sucks'.

"Name 2 lies that keep getting repeated ad nausieum by our dimmest fans for $1000, Alex"
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Lemme guess, you are one of our smartest fans......
 
Bluebear said:
Lemme guess, you are one of our smartest fans......
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Neither of those were reasons why they lost - they lost because they forgot how to score. Their playoff GAA was under 2.00.

So.....make of that what you will.
 
Gary Nylund said:
Answering a question with a question - classic deflection.

Come on now, you're the one who's always talking about how good the team is, how do you explain the fact that as the stakes rise, we play worse and worse?
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I answered your question with an answer. You objected.

But don't think we don't notice that you always make sure you are in the position to demand answers to your questions, while refusing to answer anyone else's.
 
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saltming said:
I'm going to say that I think we can win with the core making that money. I think kase is the lynch pin to this coming season. If healthy our top 6 will be big and nasty, and I think we all know Marner player very well when Martin was here watching over him, so if it's Ritchie doing that even better.
Posters complained we weren't tough and no pushback, now we have that and I think it will allow the big 4, well really 2 as Willie performed well and JT was taken out, to show their moxie.
Another point to the anti Dubas posts, not you as I don't even know if you've made any, if not for covid freezing the cap for 2 years we would not be so worried about the cap hits of the 3. So unless Dubas knew covid was going to shut down the world I don't think it's fair to direct so much vitriol towards him for those contracts.
Thanks for letting me rant Gary
:)
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I gotta say, I'm glad you are so optimistic as I would definitely like to feel better about our chances than I do now. You're a pretty smart poster IMO so if you think we can win, that makes me feel a bit better I guess. Moxie ... yeah we'll see, I get what you're saying but we've just been so damn pathetic in deciding games which suggests that there's no moxie to show. But you never know I guess, there's a ton of talent there, maybe the mix is indeed better this season, maybe ...

I think Dubas overpaid Marner but not the end of the world and other than that, I like most of the moves he's made. I completely agree that if not for covid, we'd probably be fine and my biggest knock on Dubas is that he seems to be staying the course and if I was him, I'd pivot hard now that we know that the cap will remain flat for several more years. It's hard to see us winning with that much cap tied up in three forwards so one has to go and the obvious choice for me is Marner. I feel pretty strongly about it too so I'm not a happy camper right now.

Maybe we can win by staying the course, nothing's impossible but I'd like our chances better if we went down the trading Marner path, that's all. And I am of course hoping to be proven wrong but our margin for error is basically gone and if we don't have some success in the couple of years (and I mean more than just winning one round) then it's easy to picture Matthews wanting to go some place else and then we are truly f..ked.
 
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zeke said:
I answered your question with an answer. You objected.

But don't think we don't notice that you always make sure you are in the position to demand answers to your questions, while refusing to answer anyone else's.
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I didn't object to anything, I just asked if you were serious when you said that our stars are "choking dogs" and you deflected.

So, are you serious when you say that our stars are "choking dogs"?
 
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