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Nice bounce back game

I was a bit worried after the Tampa game, 34 y/o is an age you're at risk of a steep decline. David Savard is 34 and looks to be taking a dive right now.

Oduya also took a nose dive around that age (35 actually) despite playing 24:45 per game on the Stanley Cup champs at 33 y/o

The NHL is a hard league, it can change really fast for any player
 
When old-ish players have a steep decline, it's usually because they were average to below-average skaters that lost speed and mobility and became glacially slow and can't keep up anymore. Heatley, Cheechoo, Redden (Rangers), etc. for Sens examples.

Jensen is a fast skater for a defensemen, so he has to lose a lot more speed / mobility than most guys to become useless. I think having him for 2 years is the perfect amount of time.


Edit: what we need from Jensen is for him to be an average or even a little below-average NHL defenseman, which would make a serviceable #4. So far so good.
 
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He had an excellent game against Utah. Doesn't change the fact that he wasn't great in the first 5 games, and, sometimes, was downright shit. However, it's still very early in the season so hopefully he starts getting even in the good game-bad game ledger.
 
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zenator said:
When old-ish players have a steep decline, it's usually because they were average to below-average skaters that lost speed and mobility and became glacially slow and can't keep up anymore. Heatley, Cheechoo, Redden (Rangers), etc. for Sens examples.

Jensen is a fast skater for a defensemen, so he has to lose a lot more speed / mobility than most guys to become useless. I think having him for 2 years is the perfect amount of time.


Edit: what we need from Jensen is for him to be an average or even a little below-average NHL defenseman, which would make a serviceable #4. So far so good.
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100% except he is more than just a fast skater, he is an incredibly fluid skater. I would put him as one of the best skaters on the team right now.

That makes a big deference in career longevity, as you said. Evidently the comparisons to average 34 year old stay at home D men were misplaced when people were criticizing the move.
 
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BankStreetParade said:
He had an excellent game against Utah. Doesn't change the fact that he wasn't great in the first 5 games, and, sometimes, was downright shit. However, it's still very early in the season so hopefully he starts getting even in the good game-bad game ledger.
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What games were you watching? He has been fine.
 
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BankStreetParade said:
He had an excellent game against Utah. Doesn't change the fact that he wasn't great in the first 5 games, and, sometimes, was downright shit. However, it's still very early in the season so hopefully he starts getting even in the good game-bad game ledger.
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He's never been shit at any point. He's been pretty solid all season so far. Him and Chabot are the only pairing on the team that are playing with a new partner, that's going to take some time for them to learn each other's games. A few mistakes are bound to happen to start.
 
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BankStreetParade said:
He had an excellent game against Utah. Doesn't change the fact that he wasn't great in the first 5 games, and, sometimes, was downright shit. However, it's still very early in the season so hopefully he starts getting even in the good game-bad game ledger.
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He's been much closer to excellent than shit in almost every game, lol.

Last game he was spectacular.

Think of it this way, Chabot hasn't been under heat last 2-3 games since Jensen been paired with him. It isn't a coincidence, Jensen is a very calming presence with great defense and skating.
 
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Xspyrit said:
Nice bounce back game

I was a bit worried after the Tampa game, 34 y/o is an age you're at risk of a steep decline. David Savard is 34 and looks to be taking a dive right now.

Oduya also took a nose dive around that age (35 actually) despite playing 24:45 per game on the Stanley Cup champs at 33 y/o

The NHL is a hard league, it can change really fast for any player
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Jensen is still a great skater though. I feel like that alone could prolong a decent career as a defensive d-man. He's not really known for his physicality either.
 
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He was amazing last game. What a first period.
He’s been good and solid like I was expecting but that was offensive awareness and skill I didn’t know he could bring.
 
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Xspyrit said:
Nice bounce back game

I was a bit worried after the Tampa game, 34 y/o is an age you're at risk of a steep decline. David Savard is 34 and looks to be taking a dive right now.

Oduya also took a nose dive around that age (35 actually) despite playing 24:45 per game on the Stanley Cup champs at 33 y/o

The NHL is a hard league, it can change really fast for any player
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Yes, losing just a fraction of a second in speed or acceleration could make a player vulnerable to being beat or caught or hit.
 
Bjornar Moxnes said:
The biggest strength with Jensen is his smarts. Even if he loses his speed, he can still be an effective bottom pairing dman off of smarts alone.
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He seems to be playing a very solid defensive game. I like how he sometimes charges a player who has the puck near the blue line and pushes him and the puck outside the D zone. Our other D almost never do that.

I used to like the way Jason Smith used straight-arming to knock opposing forwards off kilter and down. I have not seen any of our D do that either.
 
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ReginKarlssonLehner said:
Exactly as advertised. A stabilizer Methot-type without bone-crushing hits.

Really solid and already counted on in big moments and has risen to the occasion. I think we should keep him with Sanderson and Zub with Chabot. Chabot needs Zub.
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Chabot needs coaching.
 
zenator said:
When old-ish players have a steep decline, it's usually because they were average to below-average skaters that lost speed and mobility and became glacially slow and can't keep up anymore. Heatley, Cheechoo, Redden (Rangers), etc. for Sens examples.

Jensen is a fast skater for a defensemen, so he has to lose a lot more speed / mobility than most guys to become useless. I think having him for 2 years is the perfect amount of time.


Edit: what we need from Jensen is for him to be an average or even a little below-average NHL defenseman, which would make a serviceable #4. So far so good.
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He’s not old ish. He’s old
 
zenator said:
When old-ish players have a steep decline, it's usually because they were average to below-average skaters that lost speed and mobility and became glacially slow and can't keep up anymore. Heatley, Cheechoo, Redden (Rangers), etc. for Sens examples.

Jensen is a fast skater for a defensemen, so he has to lose a lot more speed / mobility than most guys to become useless. I think having him for 2 years is the perfect amount of time.


Edit: what we need from Jensen is for him to be an average or even a little below-average NHL defenseman, which would make a serviceable #4. So far so good.
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Yeah, not asking more than a stable #4, him being a RHD is a good thing. The capital invested in Chychrun was mostly lost during his acquisition. He would have needed to be a perfect fit or upgrade his trade value before needing a huge contract extension, which didn't happen. That's on Dorion anyway

BankStreetParade said:
He had an excellent game against Utah. Doesn't change the fact that he wasn't great in the first 5 games, and, sometimes, was downright shit. However, it's still very early in the season so hopefully he starts getting even in the good game-bad game ledger.
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I wouldn't go as far but despite what is said on the forum, he has been far from perfect (he has the highest xGA/60 and HDCA/60 (except Zub 2 games) among Sens D-men as of now)

That said, it could have been just a veteran season start where it takes a bit of time to get going. Giroux was very pedestrian until the last 2 games for example.

People who didn't see that he struggled heavily vs Tampa Bay are not watching the game objectively.

PlayersLtd said:
100% except he is more than just a fast skater, he is an incredibly fluid skater. I would put him as one of the best skaters on the team right now.

That makes a big deference in career longevity, as you said. Evidently the comparisons to average 34 year old stay at home D men were misplaced when people were criticizing the move.
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Oh lol that's not the only ones declining around that age. Oduya used to be a pretty good skater too, actually comfortably better than Jensen. That didn't stop him from declining at 35 y/o. I mean, it's the NHL, it's usually the Lidstroms, Crosbys, Alfredssons who are still pretty damn good in their late 30's

Luckily, Jensen's term left is perfect for us, buys us a bit of time to develop Yakemchuk.
 
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Yeah I feel like Jensen is a great surprise guy is playing really well not just last game. He use his tools has good IQ and physical tools. Paired with Chabot and didn't look as bad as Chychrun was with him last year. I say huge need upgrade for us and it's shows already even with Zub missing most of the games.
 
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Gil Gunderson said:
Jensen is still a great skater though. I feel like that alone could prolong a decent career as a defensive d-man. He was really known for his physicality either.
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If he doesn't try to do too much, he'll be fine. He's in a good situation here, playing behind Sanderson, Chabot and Zub but they have to be healthy

Cosmix said:
Yes, losing just a fraction of a second in speed or acceleration could make a player vulnerable to being beat or caught or hit.
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Despite what you often read, I don't think it's really about speed. It depends on how you "aged"... What is your injury history, what is your recovery ability, what is your nutrition, sleep quality, anxiety level, family parameters (kids, etc)

It is shown that males athletes start to decline after the age 28

There's been many ultra talented players who couldn't play in the NHL anymore in their early 30's, often due to past injuries.
 
bicboi64 said:
You nailed it. Jensen is so composed under pressure the way Zub is, its refreshing to have this
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I remember Yorkie saying on Coming In Hot podcast starting over a year ago that the Sens should acquire him as he'd be a perfect fit on the RD. Guess he and SS were on the same page (and they were right). Great trade, pretty happy with all of the acquisitions done during the off-season.
 
LiseL said:
I remember Yorkie saying on Coming In Hot podcast starting over a year ago that the Sens should acquire him as he'd be a perfect fit on the RD. Guess he and SS were on the same page (and they were right). Great trade, pretty happy with all of the acquisitions done during the off-season.
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$4M for Perron with 5GP 0G 0A 0Pts & -4 - not a good acquisition at this time.
$2.5M for Amadio with 6GP 0G 0A 0Pts & -3 - not a good acquisition at this time.
 
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