Nick Bobrov - Director of Euro Scouting dismissed by NYR
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BobMarleyNYR
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haveandare
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Well, yeah if those were the only two options. I’d prefer he bring people in or set people up to come in before firing more and more people and piling their responsibilities on his already very full plate
this. this is so many pieces to fill / integrate across the spectrum of mgmt/coaching in an org. thats a lot of personalities / egos to first hire and then manage and create a cohesive direction / culture out of all at once as a rookie gm. unless he's a savant there's almost no way this doesn't create setbacks.
for a team that had so much going for it and so much unity across the ranks, i see very little chance this is all for the best.
will1066
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Bobrov put up zero goals and zero points, so yeah, he should be dismissed.
(just a friendly jab at the thread title.)
(just a friendly jab at the thread title.)
romba
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Interesting....now what's the main differences between college systems and NHL systems? Is it playing veterans consistently over youth? Is it letting your goalie get screened with no box out while also not covering the weak side? Or is it playing dump-and-no-chase?
Thordic
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You draft Sean Day over Bratt ten times out of 10. He was a huge boom or bust pick but the upside was tremendous. Everyone knew it had a 90% chance of being nothing but in the 3rd round you can gamble a little. If Day had put it all together, he'd be another Brent Burns out there.
Amazing Kreiderman
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Exactly. Aside from Lias and Lindbom, are there picks that were heavily criticized on draft day? 2 picks in 5 drafts total, I can't really say Bobrov should be axed for that.
I felt, and still feel, this is more a change of regime than anything else. Bobrov did a good job. Not flawless but certainly above average. It's easy to get lost in looking at the success stories in hindsight, but realistically... Who was even talking about Jesper Bratt in 2016?
In 2017 the player drafted after Brandon Crawley with the most NHL games was Swedish Sebastian Aho with 25. And he was 20 at the time. 3rd time eligible.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and a dengerous pitfall when judging previous drafts.
Edge
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And keeping in mind, we often talk about taking those bigger swings and not going safe. Well, the downside of taking bigger swings is that you also have a chance to have bigger misses as well.
Yeah but, at the same time, new guy? He was the assistant GM for like half a decade and cans everyone around him. I am — not — saying that there is anything there, I don’t know. But I don’t think it’s odd to speculate on the topic.
Crease
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Feels like just a few years ago (during the Callahan era) we were complaining that the organization was too risk adverse in the draft.
I loved the Day pick because, at the time, the Rangers were largely devoid of star-potential prospects. Plenty of character guys and middling players though. Fast forward a few years and we now have the opposite need. Funny how that works out.
everyone?
he canned the coach which many of us expected anyway and the director of euro scouting who was probably on his way out anyway.
the coaching staff being let go isn’t a big deal as the next guy was going to bring in his own assistants. Some of ya’ll are trying to make mountains out of mole hills. Who else in a high profile role has been let go?
Clarke is listed as a pro scout instead of being in charge of the draft and Bobrov is dismissed. Who else is there to “not” fire? Gorton had a super slim front office.
In addition, I clearly said that I didn’t mean that something was going on. Maybe Clarke is feeling his age and Bobrov want to do something else and everyone are best friends. I don’t know.
But yeah, there are certainly many known circumstances that also can point at there being some turmoil.
Clarks title actually changed while Gorton was still here, we just missed it (confirmed by brooks)
Amazing Kreiderman
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Correct. That was decided long before Drury took over.
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Amazing Kreiderman
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1st round: Lias, Chytil, Kravtsov, Lundkvist, Kakko
2nd round: Lindbom, Henriksson
3rd round: Ragnarsson, Tärnström
4th round: Reunanen
5th round: Själin, Pajuniemi, Aaltonen
6th round: Lakatos, Kjellberg, Edström
7th round: Virta, Ollas
Green = good picks
Red = bad picks
Black = meh. Not good, not bad or too early to tell
didn't Drury say he wanted to bring a more analytics focused approach to things? I wonder if that's part of this...not necessarily even "Bobrov doesn't do analytics! (no idea if he does or not)" but maybe he has some ideas for remaking the scouting department and bringing in some people more focused in thsoe areas
It might not just be the picks themselves as compared to other European players. For example, in 2016 did Bobrov push hard for Reunanen while others in the room wanted Mete? In 2017, did he push hard for Anderson while others wanted Mittlestedt, or Suzuki? Did he completely write off someone like Necas? Obviously, we will never know what happened behind closed doors. But it could have been a situation where Bobrov had Gorton's ear, Drury constantly disagreed with Bobrov and this move, regardless of whether he was fired or resigned, was inevitable once Drury was promoted?
I don't know how much of an impact that would have on amateur scouting though.
I know analytics DO exist at this level, but they're way less reliable than they are at the pro level (at least the stuff I've seen publicly, I'm sure the pro peeps would create/have access to better stuff.)
Amazing Kreiderman
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Yeah, I don't think it's performance-based at all though. New management hires new people all the time. Bobrov leaving isn't a great loss although I liked the guy. He was good at his job, but not irreplaceable.
Even if Kakko turns into a "red", can't blame anyone for the pick. Everyone and their mother had Hughes and Kakko as head and shoulders above the rest. I was at MSG for the Kakko pick. Place might have been burned to the ground if he wasn't the pick.
Did Sjalin sign? Thought I saw something last week that said his rights were about to expire.
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KirkAlbuquerque
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according to this the Rongos are actually good at drafting
Which NHL teams have drafted the best and worst since 2005?
NYR were only 18th in total wins gained from the draft (Devils were last lol), but 7th in draft results weighted against the draft positions they've had (Buffalo last), and 3rd best drafting outside the 1st round after Tampa and Carolina (Oilers last)
Which NHL teams have drafted the best and worst since 2005?
NYR were only 18th in total wins gained from the draft (Devils were last lol), but 7th in draft results weighted against the draft positions they've had (Buffalo last), and 3rd best drafting outside the 1st round after Tampa and Carolina (Oilers last)
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