Confirmed Signing with Link: Nichushkin signs with CSKA(KHL) for 2 years

[Sparksrus3]

If he plays in Russia til he's 27?

Ok.
But he is only 21 and a RFA as of today

 

[beepeearr]

Val is a RW so he has not been expected to play his off-side. The confusion may come from him being a left shot however he's Russian and Russian wingers shoot opposite to their side(see also: Ovechkin, Kucherov, Tarasenko, etc).

No confusion, beginning of the season Ruff kept putting him at LW, was really frustrating early in the season when he and Sharp (who was struggling to score a bit) were used together and sharp who is more comfortable at LW were both used on their more uncomfortable wings. Nuke didnt get moved back to right wing until after a healthy scratch, was still tried a LW a few times after

 

[M88K]

See this is why it's a consequence of drafting Russian players. You don't have control over them on the grooming. Outside of Caps I'm really surprised anyone would take on the risk of drafting them and hoping to get them into your system.

Yes you do.
He had a Contract with Traktor that terminated on the Condition that he plays in the NHL only, not the AHL.

If he wasn't under KHL contract he could have gone to the AHL without Issue

 

[beepeearr]

Yes you do.
He had a Contract with Traktor that terminated on the Condition that he plays in the NHL only, not the AHL.

If he wasn't under KHL contract he could have gone to the AHL without Issue

Sometimes, look what happened with another Dallas 1st rounder last year, he told Lada he was interested in moving to Texas and rode the bench for most of last year, bought out his KHL contract finally over the summer, and is slated for Texas this season, but basically lost most of last season despite being completely healthy. Its a risk that you might not have much control in their development, but I dont think you can say it applies to all Russian players, all depends on if they are under contract or not

 

[ZeHockeyFan]

Hope Nuke shuts up his doubters when he comes back to Dallas in two years.

Not happening. He got a lot of mileage when he was drafted because he looked like the Dallas Stars' first 1st rounder in a long time to break the long string of 1st rounders and become an elite top-six player, but never seemed to possess a NHL-capable shot nor use his huge size well. With Dallas' 3rd line well set, there really is no proper fit for him if he cannot progress. Ultimately, this was a big risk that didn't pay a big reward.

 

[Ducksgo*]

Sometimes, look what happened with another Dallas 1st rounder last year, he told Lada he was interested in moving to Texas and rode the bench for most of last year, bought out his KHL contract finally over the summer, and is slated for Texas this season, but basically lost most of last season despite being completely healthy. Its a risk that you might not have much control in their development, but I dont think you can say it applies to all Russian players, all depends on if they are under contract or not

Was just about to mention this spot on!!!

 

[McNurse]

Some of the xenophobic remarks in this thread just make me shake my head.

 

[LeapOnOver]

Would be interesting how this is handled through the expansion draft. LV is taking 30 players and they won't all have roster spots. This could be an easy selection for them to have a young player that still has some upside but won't take up a roster spot anywhere.

 

[beepeearr]

Not happening. He got a lot of mileage when he was drafted because he looked like the Dallas Stars' first 1st rounder in a long time to break the long string of 1st rounders and become an elite top-six player, but never seemed to possess a NHL-capable shot nor use his huge size well. With Dallas' 3rd line well set, there really is no proper fit for him if he cannot progress. Ultimately, this was a big risk that didn't pay a big reward.

He's only 21 still, and had to develop at the NHL level, a year or two in a lesser league could do wonders for him. Look at guys like Klingberg and Janmark, they both didnt even come over to stay until they were 22. He could bust, or this could turn out to be just what he needs to develop further. I'm taking a wait and see approach.

 

[KidLine93]

and people question Yakupov's attitude..yet through all the **** he's still here

 

[ZeHockeyFan]

He's only 21 still, and had to develop at the NHL level, a year or two in a lesser league could do wonders for him. Look at guys like Klingberg and Janmark, they both didnt even come over to stay until they were 22. He could bust, or this could turn out to be just what he needs to develop further. I'm taking a wait and see approach.

It's one thing when a player has skillsets needed to excel, but requires maturing and physical and mental development to put them to proper use and another thing when the player lacks sufficient skillset in the first place itself. I think Nichushkin belongs in the latter category. I have no issues waiting it out for him- nothing lost from the Stars' perspective, really- but like many have said before, "You either have a NHL-caliber shot, or don't have it." Nichushkin just does not have it.

 

[ElGuapo]

Some of the xenophobic remarks in this thread just make me shake my head.

Totally missed those were they deleted?

 

[beepeearr]

It's one thing when a player has skillsets needed to excel, but requires maturing and physical and mental development to put them to proper use and another thing when the player lacks sufficient skillset in the first place itself. I think Nichushkin belongs in the latter category. I have no issues waiting it out for him- nothing lost from the Stars' perspective, really- but like many have said before, "You either have a NHL-caliber shot, or don't have it." Nichushkin just does not have it.

And yet shooting the puck is a skill set that can be worked on, it can be practiced. Just like skating can be improved (to a point) so can shooting the puck. Ive never understood this mentality that shooting the puck was some mystical skill that cant be improved. Especially since most NHL players with awesome shots talked about how often they practiced it, over and over again.

Will he ever be a sniper, probably not, but he has started to elevate the puck, his earlier knock. Last year he had an abysmal shooting percentage, after not playing for almost a year, if he can get that do average, likely he scores a bunch of goals or at least generate rebounds, because he does already generate chances, both for himself and his team mates.

 

[ElGuapo]

You do realize the Reason he's leaving is because of Ruff, right?
Had Vancouver drafted him, I don't think it would have been a problem.

You can just insert NHL coach name there. What coach that isn't mentally handicapped would give him more ice time than Ruff did? He was going to hate his coach no matter who it was.

 

[glovesave_35]

I like the good riddance and go home comments.

This from people that would whine up and down about his value in a trade and his potential and all of that but don't acknowledge that he got ****ed around by Ruff and the Management. You guys have a nice little Shero/Bylsma situation going on there, good luck dealing with that in the aftermath when things are too late and the wrong people are fired when the damage is done.

You mean the collective of scouts and information they've provided led Nill to narrow down candidates and then forwarded it to the GM and they were drafted.

Do people understand how things work?

Based on the above comment it seems like you are the one who doesn't get it. Messed around by coaching staff and management? Not hardly.

 

[Zine]

Sometimes, look what happened with another Dallas 1st rounder last year, he told Lada he was interested in moving to Texas and rode the bench for most of last year, bought out his KHL contract finally over the summer, and is slated for Texas this season, but basically lost most of last season despite being completely healthy. Its a risk that you might not have much control in their development, but I dont think you can say it applies to all Russian players, all depends on if they are under contract or not

The risk doesnt end once the player arrives in North America.

Because the KHL is at home and a lucrative ($$) alternative to the NHL, you'll notice most Russians arent interested in spending too much time (or any) in the AHL paying their dues, as opposed to some NA who'd have no problem marinating in the AHL for a few years.
For Russians the window of opportunity to make it work in the NHL is generally much smaller than others.

 

[Spawn]

Maybe I misread it, but I swear it says all rights to unsigned draft choices and prospects would not count towards the applicable protetion limits

That's for draft picks who have yet to sign with their team for the first time.

Well when Nuke signed with CSKA today they gave him a full NMC so the rules surrounding the draft states 'Players who currently have no-movement clauses as a part of their contracts at the time of the Expansion Draft (and refuse to waive it) have to be protected by their respective franchise and will count towards the team’s protected list.". So the question is are the rules based on current active NHL players or players like Nuke who go to another league and get a NMC while technically still being owned by Dallas.

He's not eligible for a NMC under NHL rules. There is no way that would apply in regards to the expansion draft.

 

[me2]

That's for draft picks who have yet to sign with their team for the first time.


He's not eligible for a NMC under NHL rules. There is no way that would apply in regards to the expansion draft.

He doesn't even have an NHL contract he sure as hell doesn't have an NHL NMC.

 

[Kshahdoo]

He will earn $1.3M/year in Russia. Not that much.

 

[Dr Pepper]

He will earn $1.3M/year in Russia. Not that much.

In Nuke's eyes I'm sure it beats playing under Ruff, on foreign soil.

Can't blame the kid for choosing to walk away, regardless of what he (may have) lost in earnings with Dallas.

I doubt we'll ever know what the Stars' final offer to him was, but I doubt it was much more than $1.3 mil per year. Hell, it might have been less.

 

[beepeearr]

Sounded like whatever it was they weren't going to budge from it, and it was only one year whatever it was. His Qualifying over would have been less than a million, so who knows

 

[kp61c]

Sometimes, look what happened with another Dallas 1st rounder last year, he told Lada he was interested in moving to Texas and rode the bench for most of last year, bought out his KHL contract finally over the summer, and is slated for Texas this season, but basically lost most of last season despite being completely healthy. Its a risk that you might not have much control in their development, but I dont think you can say it applies to all Russian players, all depends on if they are under contract or not

lol, he's plain bad last season that's why he's benched. i think u have another bust on your hands.

 

[Dr Pepper]

lol, he's plain bad last season that's why he's benched. i think u have another bust on your hands.

"Another"?

Whatever do you mean? Dallas has a spotless draft record, especially with first round picks over the past decade.

.....

 

[glovesave_35]

The thing I take out of this is that his interview with Russian media this past year, that was damning in a number of ways, has got to be taken at face value. The number of fellow Stars fans who downplayed and disregarded it were flat out wrong.

Once I read the fully translated text by a Russian HF member it made me look at Nichushkin much differently. It was so much the stereotypically entitled attitude that it was almost comical.

 

[Theokritos]

Well when Nuke signed with CSKA today they gave him a full NMC so the rules surrounding the draft states 'Players who currently have no-movement clauses as a part of their contracts at the time of the Expansion Draft (and refuse to waive it) have to be protected by their respective franchise and will count towards the team’s protected list.".

Pretty sure the NHL expansion draft rules only refer to & apply to NHL contracts with NMCs, not contracts in any other league.