Niagara Icedogs 2024-25 Season, Part I

Mcnotloilersfan · 2024-10-22T11:44:25-0400

Sam14 said:
This trade once again highlights DDD deficiencies with managing draft assets of this organization:
He pays a 3rd, 4th, 5th for an OA.
He trades a quality OA player for a 3rd.

We needed NVV. Our D is quite weak.

DDD has made a lot of questionable moves. I actually don't count these in that mix.

Dogs Enthusiast · 2024-10-22T11:56:17-0400

Sam14 said:
This trade once again highlights DDD deficiencies with managing draft assets of this organization:
He pays a 3rd, 4th, 5th for an OA.
He trades a quality OA player for a 3rd.

LOL.

Can we give this talking point a rest yet. We have a pretty good team and it was built by trades and drafts.

If we were still at the bottom of the standings it would make sense to bash DDD some more. Times have changed. We have a good team. Enjoy it.

Sam14 · 2024-10-22T13:19:16-0400

Mcnotloilersfan said:
We needed NVV. Our D is quite weak.

DDD has made a lot of questionable moves. I actually don't count these in that mix.

NVV has NOT been very good at all and has not helped the current situation of our weak D core. And Not good enough to justify trading your team’s leading goal scorer last year for (and a trade that’s net result is another loss in picks and one of your best F.

Sam14 · 2024-10-22T13:22:26-0400

Dogs Enthusiast said:
LOL.

Can we give this talking point a rest yet. We have a pretty good team and it was built by trades and drafts.

If we were still at the bottom of the standings it would make sense to bash DDD some more. Times have changed. We have a good team. Enjoy it.

As soon as he stops making OA trades for a loss is when we should stop recognizing them. Ignoring it doesn’t mean it didn't happen.

dirty12 · 2024-10-22T13:31:53-0400

Sam14 said:
NVV has NOT been very good at all and has not helped the current situation of our weak D core. And Not good enough to justify trading your team’s leading goal scorer last year for (and a trade that’s net result is another loss in picks and one of your best F.

VanVliet has been very good in the defensive zone for Niagara imo. And the upgrades to the D as a whole has made the team much, much, much better.

Sam14 · 2024-10-22T13:35:10-0400

dirty12 said:
VanVliet has been very good in the defensive zone for Niagara imo. And the upgrades to the D as a whole has made the team much, much, much better.

Until you are tagging me to answer all the questions you conveniently ignore don’t bother. You. Are. An. IceDogs. Fraud.

Dogs Enthusiast · 2024-10-22T13:38:49-0400

Sam14 said:
As soon as he stops making OA trades for a loss is when we should stop recognizing them. Ignoring it doesn’t mean it didn't happen.

You know full well that there is only one of our OAs who was going to get more a pittance in return. And we were never going to trade Loshko.

Our other option was to cut Bryant and get zero in return.

This was the best result. Why don't you just embrace it?

Sam14 · 2024-10-22T13:40:54-0400

Bryant surprised by trade (updated) | BP Sports Niagara

The Niagara IceDogs dealt captain Gavin Bryant to the Peterborough Petes for two draft picks. Photo: OHL IMAGES. The Niagara IceDogs solved their overage logjam, dealing captain Gavin Bryant to the Peterborough Petes Tuesday. The IceDogs will receive a third-round selection in 2026 (Guelph) and...

www.bpsportsniagara.com

With no disrespect to the Petes, but what a terrible thing for the IceDogs to do to Gavin Bryant in his OA year. He IS NOT impressed!

Gavin, given the captaincy last year, played injured, out of necessity and character, for all but a handful of games last season and delivers a career year (62GP – 21G – 54pts). He had to endure the worst of seasons; remained positive before and after every game; has off-season surgery; attends every function to promote the upcoming season; is among one of the most respected captains in IceDogs’ history; launches Gav’s Corner and DDD rewards him by discarding GB to the last place Petes.

The IceDogs had smarter OA options to move on from then Gavin Bryant. No class Darren! Not surprised only Walters clients will play for you.

Niagara IceDogs Captain Gavin Bryant Launches 'Gav's Corner' - Niagara IceDogs

Dogs Enthusiast said:
You know full well that there is only one of our OAs who was going to get more a pittance in return. And we were never going to trade Loshko.

Our other option was to cut Bryant and get zero in return.

This was the best result. Why don't you just embrace it?

Read the story above.

Sam14 · 2024-10-22T13:44:31-0400

Dogs Enthusiast said:
You know full well that there is only one of our OAs who was going to get more a pittance in return. And we were never going to trade Loshko.

Our other option was to cut Bryant and get zero in return.

This was the best result. Why don't you just embrace it?

Given this trade proposal no way anyone who follows the OHL would make it. Gavin Bryant 4th, 5th for NVV.
That’s a terrible trade.

dirty12 · 2024-10-22T13:44:57-0400

Sam14 said:
Until you are tagging me to answer all the questions you conveniently ignore don’t bother. You. Are. An. IceDogs. Fraud.

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I don’t pretend to be an IceDogs fan though; and my posts are strictly hockey related, not a means to spew hatred

knowescape · 2024-10-22T13:45:48-0400

Dogs Enthusiast said:
You know full well that there is only one of our OAs who was going to get more a pittance in return. And we were never going to trade Loshko.

Our other option was to cut Bryant and get zero in return.

This was the best result. Why don't you just embrace it?

Not that I speak for Sam14 (or anyone else for that matter), the point I think he was making is asset management. Yes, so far it looks like we have a good team - this year. DDD has not retained sufficient currency (picks) to ensure the team stays competitive year after year. In fact, if he truly is in the market to spend picks upgrading this year's team, that only detracts from the following years. This puts him on a cycle where three out of every five years, the team will be cellar dwellers, one year has top half of the conference possibility and the other might result in a 7th or 8th place finish.

A quality GM needs to have a five year plan that includes not only drafting diamonds in the rough, but coaching to higher levels of performance and lastly, leaving enough currency in the bank to buy key players during "go-for-it" years.

Niagara's GM barely has a one-year plan (no offence to the guy who's name is on the door, we know DDD is calling the shots).

three dog night · 2024-10-22T13:46:13-0400

Sam14 said:
NVV has NOT been very good at all and has not helped the current situation of our weak D core. And Not good enough to justify trading your team’s leading goal scorer last year for (and a trade that’s net result is another loss in picks and one of your best F.

What games have you been watching

Dogs Enthusiast · 2024-10-22T13:48:02-0400

Sam14 said:
Given this trade proposal no way anyone who follows the OHL would make it. Gavin Bryant 4th, 5th for NVV.
That’s a terrible trade.

We have discussed several times on this thread that there is not a market for an OA at this point in time. Why are you ignoring that.

Dogs Enthusiast · 2024-10-22T13:52:01-0400

knowescape said:
Not that I speak for Sam14 (or anyone else for that matter), the point I think he was making is asset management. Yes, so far it looks like we have a good team - this year. DDD has not retained sufficient currency (picks) to ensure the team stays competitive year after year. In fact, if he truly is in the market to spend picks upgrading this year's team, that only detracts from the following years. This puts him on a cycle where three out of every five years, the team will be cellar dwellers, one year has top half of the conference possibility and the other might result in a 7th or 8th place finish.

A quality GM needs to have a five year plan that includes not only drafting diamonds in the rough, but coaching to higher levels of performance and lastly, leaving enough currency in the bank to buy key players during "go-for-it" years.

Niagara's GM barely has a one-year plan (no offence to the guy who's name is on the door, we know DDD is calling the shots).

Yes, we know this is not the traditional way to build a winning team.

The fact remains, we were last place for 2+ years. We went thru terrible scandals. We lost half the season ticket holders.

We really needed a winning season. For a few reasons.

- to rebuild fan loyalty

- to help attract/retain good players in the near future

Sam14 · 2024-10-22T13:56:41-0400

Dogs Enthusiast said:
We have discussed several times on this thread that there is not a market for an OA at this point in time. Why are you ignoring that.

DDD has zero long range planning ability. So to fix it he trades the teams leading goal scorer, who slots into your top 3, instead of trading someone less effective. And did all this at a lose in picks, leadership and offense. That can’t be ignored as a fan.

three dog night · 2024-10-22T14:00:20-0400

I believe they kept Flores over Bryant because our other draft pick goaltender are struggling this season

dirty12 · 2024-10-22T14:00:41-0400

knowescape said:
Not that I speak for Sam14 (or anyone else for that matter), the point I think he was making is asset management. Yes, so far it looks like we have a good team - this year. DDD has not retained sufficient currency (picks) to ensure the team stays competitive year after year. In fact, if he truly is in the market to spend picks upgrading this year's team, that only detracts from the following years. This puts him on a cycle where three out of every five years, the team will be cellar dwellers, one year has top half of the conference possibility and the other might result in a 7th or 8th place finish.

A quality GM needs to have a five year plan that includes not only drafting diamonds in the rough, but coaching to higher levels of performance and lastly, leaving enough currency in the bank to buy key players during "go-for-it" years.

Niagara's GM barely has a one-year plan (no offence to the guy who's name is on the door, we know DDD is calling the shots).

I’m not sure or really care if it was the owner or interim GM or both and coach that are responsible for the off-season additions. They made the team better now, and provide the team top 4 L/R D for 2-3 seasons.

Dogs Enthusiast · 2024-10-22T14:02:33-0400

Kevin He made Captain.

dirty12 · 2024-10-22T14:05:25-0400

Sam14 said:
DDD has zero long range planning ability. So to fix it he trades the teams leading goal scorer, who slots into your top 3, instead of trading someone less effective. And did all this at a lose in picks, leadership and offense. That can’t be ignored as a fan.

Did the coach once again confide with you in private that contrary to public statements proclaiming Flores is his starter, he wanted the zero trade value goalie moved out?

three dog night · 2024-10-22T14:09:30-0400

IceDogs Name Kevin He as 18th Captain In Franchise History and Jack Brauti to Assistant Captain - Niagara IceDogs

NIAGARA, ON – The Niagara IceDogs have announced that Kevin He will serve as the 18th Captain of the team, with Jack Brauti named as Assistant Captain. “Kevin is the future of our franchise right now. He is our first NHL Draft pick in 6 years and signalizes that we are on the upswing as…

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dogs777 · 2024-10-22T14:15:09-0400

Sam14 said:
This trade once again highlights DDD deficiencies with managing draft assets of this organization:
He pays a 3rd, 4th, 5th for an OA.
He trades a quality OA player for a 3rd.

The quality OA hasn’t played yet and they had very limited options of where to move him im surprised they got more than a 5th for any of them if you want to have the conversation of is NVV worth what he paid in a year where they aren’t gonna do anything we can have that talk but Bryant wouldn’t get back what you paid when he hasn’t played

WorkHardEveryShift · 2024-10-22T14:31:06-0400

OA decisions are often difficult. I get that he hadn't played so the value in return would always be a question mark. There's always a business aspect. I just read that Bryant was caught off guard by this. So the communication wasn't there, which seems bush league to me given that he was the captain and had strong community involvement.

Sam14 · 2024-10-22T14:31:12-0400

dirty12 said:
Did the coach once again confide with you in private that contrary to public statements proclaiming Flores is his starter, he wanted the zero trade value goalie moved out?

Hahaha OMG you’re useless on the IceDogs site. Making a fool of yourself.

If you really cant follow along, just keep your head buried…

dogs777 · 2024-10-22T14:34:57-0400

Sam14 said:
DDD has zero long range planning ability. So to fix it he trades the teams leading goal scorer, who slots into your top 3, instead of trading someone less effective. And did all this at a lose in picks, leadership and offense. That can’t be ignored as a fan.

Who’s the right one to trade then your #1 goalie or the #1 D and probably get even less for him

Dogs Enthusiast · 2024-10-22T14:38:56-0400

Not sure how Bryant would be caught off guard. It was obvious and OA would have to go and he wasn't even playing.

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