NHL & Vegas Part Deuces Wild: Betting it all on Black (Knights)

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LeafShark

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This is the second time I've seen someone mention Houston, I'm curious, what makes prior think Houston has interest or is on the NHL's radar? I live in Houston and would love it, just think it's a pipe dream. I'd actually love even AHL hockey.

Houston is the size of Dallas (huge TV market)
When Dallas has a good team, they are top 10 in revenue
Houston does not have a team because of Les Alexander
Houston did have an NHL team, which had very good attendance until Les asked for too much rent.

Houston IMO is the NHL's second most valuable untapped market, second only to Toronto2/Hamilton. Seattle would be 3. Quebec City would be 4.

* I meant AHL :(
 
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kdb209

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Houston is the size of Dallas (huge TV market)
When Dallas has a good team, they are top 10 in revenue
Houston does not have a team because of Les Alexander
Houston did have an NHL team, which had very good attendance until Les asked for too much rent.

Methinks you meant AHL ...
 

Pinkfloyd

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Why would the Isles be moving? They are locked with a very very long lease.

There was something regarding an opt-out for AEG with the Islanders in Barclays in 2020 at some point. I don't know if there's any validity to it but just know it was brought up at some point.
 

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Houston is the size of Dallas (huge TV market)
When Dallas has a good team, they are top 10 in revenue
Houston does not have a team because of Les Alexander
Houston did have an NHL team, which had very good attendance until Les asked for too much rent.

Houston IMO is the NHL's second most valuable untapped market, second only to Toronto2/Hamilton. Seattle would be 3. Quebec City would be 4.

And that Houston NHL team relocated to Toronto and became the Leaf's right?:sarcasm:
 

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houston is a no-go without les on board though. I dont know if he has the capital to bring a team in these days.
 

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Better article:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...s-wants-an-nhl-team-bad-idea/article22905291/

Putting an NHL team in Vegas is incredibly stupid, not to mention, crazy.

You gotta be careful posting stuff like this, because if Las Vegas folks hear about it they'll line up to blow past the 10,000 STH mark out of pure schadenfreude. :laugh:

It'd be entertaining as hell to see the reaction to an article written in this style about "the blasted, frozen hellscape of Winnipeg." :sarcasm:
 
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BattleBorn

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Better article:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...s-wants-an-nhl-team-bad-idea/article22905291/

Putting an NHL team in Vegas is incredibly stupid, not to mention, crazy.

When I read that article a month ago, I didn't have to get past the first paragraph to know what the content was going to be. Canadian doesn't like the idea of hockey in the desert? Color me surprised.

What is really funny about the article is how little thought actually went into it, and yet here we are, having it linked for the nth time in a little over a month. There's a lot of points to be made about why Vegas might not be a good fit for the NHL. There's a lot of points to be made about why it will work.

The fact that that article doesn't touch on any of them either way and is mostly just a platform for yet another person to feel short changed by the league because Hamilton is waiting/Quebec deserves it/Portland is the bee's knees and express his displeasure is unsurprising.

There's no shortage of those stories on the internet.
 

GindyDraws

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houston is a no-go without les on board though. I dont know if he has the capital to bring a team in these days.

Capital? Probably.

Credibility? Hell no!

Problem is, even if Alexander makes the pitch, he has some things against him, especially given how he forced an AHL team to move simply because they weren't an NHL team.

I still don't know why Houstonian hockey fans have to suffer because of that *******. Houston is the 4th largest city in the States, but is often treated as a much smaller community. And, with the exception of Vegas, the NHL isn't gonna gamble on strange markets for expansion. Relocation, on the other hand, could be a possibility.
 

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Capital? Probably.

Credibility? Hell no!

Problem is, even if Alexander makes the pitch, he has some things against him, especially given how he forced an AHL team to move simply because they weren't an NHL team.

I still don't know why Houstonian hockey fans have to suffer because of that *******. Houston is the 4th largest city in the States, but is often treated as a much smaller community. And, with the exception of Vegas, the NHL isn't gonna gamble on strange markets for expansion. Relocation, on the other hand, could be a possibility.

I agree, its a pity it won't get an expansion team. If the stars can survive in football country a Houston team definitely could. A lot more northern transplants in Houston than Dallas too I reckon.
 

Jett Jagaar

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Everything new will always have it's naysayers.

Doesn't matter. I can guarantee that on opening night in October 2016, I will not spend one second thinking about the haters as I am cheering my lungs out for my new team. :handclap:
 

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I agree, its a pity it won't get an expansion team. If the stars can survive in football country a Houston team definitely could. A lot more northern transplants in Houston than Dallas too I reckon.

It makes me sad that the year I moved to Houston, they moved the team back to Mn. Houston is probably way more hockey friendly in terms of transplants from Canada / the north and supporting hockey.
 

BattleBorn

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Well sorry Cathal Kelly that you found the most incompetent bar on the Las Vegas strip. Even local bars, even the ones not made for sports fans specifically carry most of the FSN channels. More misleading information. The PT's by my house, 18 miles from the strip can put on any hockey game I want if I ask for it. This is story telling for the purpose of making the whole city look bad. One isolated failure to find hockey doesn't mean it's never played out here.

This seems like an opportune time to mention, once again, that Las Vegas is the 9th best NHL TV market according to Neilsen and is the highest non-NHL city for NBCSN games.

That's it. Carry on. :)
 

danishh

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relevant section

Why does Las Vegas intrigue the NHL?
First, it’s the largest U.S. metropolitan area – more than two million inhabitant – without a pro sports franchise and an astounding 40 million people visit Las Vegas each year. If the NHL became the first league in, it could conceivably capture the market. Plus, its location in the Southwest wouldn’t just add a team to the Western Conference –which has two fewer teams than the East – it would help fill out the NHL’s U.S. national TV footprint. That has been part of Bettman’s vision for 20 years.
“The Las Vegas market has favorable resident income and fan demographics,” said Daly, adding that “TV ratings information would suggest a better than passing interest in professional sports and in hockey in particular.”
Last season’s Nielsen ratings for NHL national U.S. telecasts confirm that interest. Vegas ranked 13th among all markets and third among non-NHL markets for viewership of combined NBC and NBCSN telecasts. This season, perhaps sparked by expansion buzz, it ranks ninth overall and first among non-NHL markets of NBCSN games. Daly believes the Las Vegas audience extends beyond those who have a betting interest in the games.
“If all of those ‘eyeballs’ were gamblers,” he said, “ratings wouldn’t register as highly.”

now, this of course is only a comparison of US markets, so that doesnt really mean much to most of the anti-vegas crowd, but it does show that vegas can be expected to hang with mid-market us competitors.


As for what the implications of a 1-team expansion is, i would say it confirms what many have said - the league wants to balance the conferences, the league wants to expand it's footprint, and the league is more concerned about growing tv revenues than the guaranteed gate revenues an eastern conference canadian team would provide. Their priority is finding the right location in the west, and with winnipeg filled that means in the US west.
 

IceAce

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This is the second time I've seen someone mention Houston, I'm curious, what makes prior think Houston has interest or is on the NHL's radar? I live in Houston and would love it, just think it's a pipe dream. I'd actually love even AHL hockey.

Was just tossing out cities in the Western part of the US that could likely support a team as a means of illustrating a point. Don't have any other info about that market other than its a huge city in the west with a lot of northern transplants and some history of hockey.
 

CHRDANHUTCH

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It makes me sad that the year I moved to Houston, they moved the team back to Mn. Houston is probably way more hockey friendly in terms of transplants from Canada / the north and supporting hockey.

ACTUALLY, the Aeros history, was an 86-14 split, majority of it owned by the Wild, but the Aeros are in Des Moines, IA, as the Iowa Wild, Minnesota never owned the branding Aeros, Chuck Watson, owned 10%, and the name Aeros, Nick Sheppard owned 4%, when Alexander ended the handshake agreement/lease in 2013.
 

gstommylee

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With the already unbalanced divisions, there's no problem at all to scatter them, and I'm sure that's their plan.

It depends on how close Seattle is from approving a NHL first change to the agreement if a proposal is provide. If its a matter of just of following the political protocol and the votes are there. NHL could announce both at the same time.
 

HanSolo

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Those numbers ARE probably skewed by the mass amount of bars, casinos, and sports books we have but regardless it at least refutes the absolute BOGUS that Kelly character put out that you can't find a single screen playing hockey games in Las Vegas.
 
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