NHL & Vegas Part Deuces Wild: Betting it all on Black (Knights)

[AdmiralsFan24]

So his report was basically French? tourists, a couple of people in a trailer park and Daniel Negreanu. That's some hard hitting journalism. I think maybe he just wanted a comped trip to Vegas.

 

[BattleBorn]

So his report was basically French? tourists, a couple of people in a trailer park and Daniel Negreanu. That's some hard hitting journalism. I think maybe he just wanted a comped trip to Vegas.

You know, it's definitely a story with a predetermined result.

The funny thing is that if he'd have actually done some real reporting and investigative work he'd have found what he's looking for without much work. Trying to find people that think the NHL isn't a great idea here wouldn't have been hard. Every tenth person is against it because they don't want their tax dollars used for pro sports (which is obviously not what's happening here.). Every forth person wouldn't understand the situation and say they'd rather have basketball, football, or baseball.

The fact that he drove through the miles upon miles of half million dollar homes filled with supporters between Daniel Negraenu's house to hit the trailer park and find the people supportive of the effort tells me all I need to know.

Do I have questions as to whether Vegas will support this team through the years of post expansion growth? Absolutely, and I'm one of the biggest supporters of this effort in the valley. I've got Vegas Wants Hockey stuff hanging in my shop and talk to almost everyone that comes in about the effort and the team. This was a great opportunity to start that type of dialogue. Instead, we get what you see in the video that's just the same as every other story against the effort.

It really is disappointing.

 

[Mosby]

What an embarrassing story by CBC. As a Canadian and Coyotes fan, I can't say I'm surprised.

Can't wait 'til Vegas expansion is announced

 

[George Binks]

that cbc report aired last night. Here's a link, not sure if yankees can watch: http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/ID/2659167554/

basically he takes a very skeptical view, perhaps being derisive at times. Goes up to a bunch of tourists (who seem to be from germany/eastern europe) and asks them their thoughts, only to be surprised that they have no idea what the NHL is. Also plays the las vegas posse anthem singer screwing up the canadian anthem. Goes to daniel negraneau, a vegas wants hockey member, and emphasizes his "what else is there to do in winnipeg" comment. Goes to a trailer park where both people he talks to support bringing an nhl team.

Finally, he ends with the former president of the wranglers booster club, at a local rink where he is SHOCKED that this hockey fan will not be buying season tickets, on the basis he cant budget $150 for a hockey game with a young family.


very disappointing work from the CBC.

wow that was awful

 

[Killion]

That sounded more like a hit piece than a hard new story to me.

... it was that.

I just finished watching the CBC "report".... If you haven't seen it, you're missing nothing really.

... ditto, and thats 9:15 of my life I'll never get back. What a waste of my time AND my tax dollars. Typical of the CBC. Always smug. Sickeningly so. Just the usual fare from MotherCorp. Some self satisfied cynical Hipster Doofus with what looks like a really bad case of ocular hypertension and a lousy attitude. About the farthest thing from cool as cool gets.

 

[psowrc]

... it was that.



... ditto, and thats 9:15 of my life I'll never get back. What a waste of my time AND my tax dollars. Typical of the CBC. Always smug. Sickeningly so. Just the usual fare from MotherCorp. Some self satisfied cynical Hipster Doofus with what looks like a really bad case of ocular hypertension and a lousy attitude. About the farthest thing from cool as cool gets.

No one in Canada lays stock in anything the CBC says...I'm sure Foley chuckled hearing it as well.

 

[psowrc]

Nashville
http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/stories/1998/03/16/newscolumn2.html?page=all

Nope. Nashville was awarded a tentative franchise and was instructed to find 12, 000 season ticket holders.

Las Vegas has been awarded nothing at this point yet have almost reached 10,000. Bettman has been quoted on record stating that even with the season ticket drive there is no guarantee that Vegas will get a team.

Not the same thing.

 

[sparkychewbarky]

You know, it's definitely a story with a predetermined result.

The funny thing is that if he'd have actually done some real reporting and investigative work he'd have found what he's looking for without much work. Trying to find people that think the NHL isn't a great idea here wouldn't have been hard. Every tenth person is against it because they don't want their tax dollars used for pro sports (which is obviously not what's happening here.). Every forth person wouldn't understand the situation and say they'd rather have basketball, football, or baseball.

The fact that he drove through the miles upon miles of half million dollar homes filled with supporters between Daniel Negraenu's house to hit the trailer park and find the people supportive of the effort tells me all I need to know.

Do I have questions as to whether Vegas will support this team through the years of post expansion growth? Absolutely, and I'm one of the biggest supporters of this effort in the valley. I've got Vegas Wants Hockey stuff hanging in my shop and talk to almost everyone that comes in about the effort and the team. This was a great opportunity to start that type of dialogue. Instead, we get what you see in the video that's just the same as every other story against the effort.

It really is disappointing.

Please don't think that the CBC reflects the opinion of most Canadians, because most of the time, they don't.

I find that the CBC's pretentious elite, attempts to lecture to the great unwashed through the guise of
supposedly unbiased reporting and entertainment.

It's why publicly-funded CBC gave us "Little Mosque on the Prairie", while CTV served up the classic "Corner Gas".

The mothership's uppity-ups secretly hate Don Cherry, while loving poster boy Jian Ghomeshi.
Meanwhile, most Canucks would love to see Cherry "jersey"* pompous jerk Jian. (and that was BEFORE his sexual assault charges).

Anyway, I found that report to be embarrassing and somewhat infuriating because it was done with my hard-earned tax dollar.

*-only in the hockey community, can "jersey" be a verb.

 

[Killion]

Please don't think that the CBC reflects the opinion of most Canadians, because most of the time, they don't.

I find that the CBC's pretentious elite, attempts to lecture to the great unwashed through the guise of supposedly unbiased reporting and entertainment.

Anyway, I found that report to be embarrassing and somewhat infuriating because it was done with my hard-earned tax dollar.

No, they most certainly do not reflect the opinions of the vast majority of Canadians on any given topic or matter really. They are not the window into nor reflective of Canadian society & attitudes the way they once were in the 50's & 60's. Seriously antiquated in fact. A culture of entitlement and ya, content, clearly biased perspectives beyond infuriating more often than not. Doubly so as its our tax dollars propping this Dinosaur up. CBC TV is virtually unwatchable... CBC Radio & Radio Canada on the other hand, its great. Commercial free. Long past their best due date, time CBC Television either gets cut loose & sold off or reinvents itself in the model of PBS/TV Ontario/Knowledge Network. Reports like this one are just embarrassing.

 

[GuelphStormer]

No, they most certainly do not reflect the opinions of the vast majority of Canadians on any given topic or matter really. They are not the window into nor reflective of Canadian society & attitudes the way they once were in the 50's & 60's. Seriously antiquated in fact. A culture of entitlement and ya, content, clearly biased perspectives beyond infuriating more often than not. Doubly so as its our tax dollars propping this Dinosaur up. CBC TV is virtually unwatchable... CBC Radio & Radio Canada on the other hand, its great. Commercial free. Long past their best due date, time CBC Television either gets cut loose & sold off or reinvents itself in the model of PBS/TV Ontario/Knowledge Network. Reports like this one are just embarrassing.

you honestly think that? while there is a great deal of individual variation, on the whole, i find the CBC to be slightly left of center. i also find, on the whole, the same to be true of most canadians. i do not think the CBC is as out of touch with canadians as y'all do.

ps, the single best new show on television anywhere is Schitt's Creek - a CBC comedy starring eugene levy and catherine o'hara.

 

[Killion]

you honestly think that?

Ya, I do honestly believe that GS & have since the 80's. Getting into it Im afraid takes this thread way OT so.....

 

[Mightygoose]

Vegas is obviously in for the 2017 season, but Seattle has no arena. Is Bobby Mac talking about a staggered expansion being announced? I thought Vegas would just be announced as a one-off.

My interpretation is Vegas will be a one off for 2016-17 (McKenzie mention the possibility back in December) since there is a deadline by Foley's group to award the team by Sep 30. Otherwise deposits are refunded and they need to start again.

Seattle - if things really get moving arena-wise soon, they can be announced at the same time though I think they'll be a year or two later.

 

[decma]

I don't think he's saying that Vegas has poor TV ratings. He's saying that the post about being unable to find hockey on TV in Vegas was actually the story of one particular bartender in one particular bar being unable to find an NHL game on TV. And that that story (of the particular bartender in that particular bar) was not refuted by your reports of good TV ratings for hockey in Vegas. He wasn't taking you to task for your claim of good TV ratings. He was taking you to task for getting the original anecdote wrong.

Right.

I am not disputing the ratings data BattleBorn provided, but whether those data refute Kelly's point. A city could have record-setting NHL ratings but a reporter may still be able to find a bartender who would be unable to find a game on a particular night (especially given that Kelly's anecdote was from "a few years ago"). Kelly's anecdote is just that, and cannot be refuted with data.

I was just trying to point out that he didn't actually say he couldn't find a single screen showing hockey in the whole city, or that ratings were poor - he just related a dated and useless anecdote.

 

[BattleBorn]

Right.

I am not disputing the ratings data you provided, but whether those data refute Kelly's point. A city could have record-setting NHL ratings but a reporter may still be able to find a bartender who would be unable to find a game on a particular night (especially given that Kelly's anecdote was from "a few years ago"). Kelly's anecdote is just that, and cannot be refuted with data.

I was just trying to point out that he didn't actually say he couldn't find a single screen showing hockey in the whole city, or that ratings were poor - he just related a dated and useless anecdote.

Yeah, sorry. I was on the tablet yesterday, and apparently my IQ goes down a few points when I'm working with the iPad.

 

[Brodie]

Vegas as a one-off, imo, depends on how far Seattle can advance post FEIS. If there's signs in May of a new MOU getting done by this summer, the league might wait and announce two teams with staggered start dates (say 2016-17 and 2017-18). Either way, though, Vegas has to be announced this year.

The fact that Vegas is being announced as a one off is a massive, massive clue for how this is heading wrt team #32. Simply put, if Quebec City were even in the conversation, there's no need to go with an unbalanced league indefinitely. That plus the uncharacteristically blatant interest in Seattle is enough to signal that a one-off is simply a placeholder move until Seattle gets the arena deal done (and, imo anyway, it's a clear sign that the NHL is positive on one of the three locations coming together at the minimum). There's no other reason to do this when you could grant a team to other markets immediately.

 

[sabresfan65]

Right.

I am not disputing the ratings data BattleBorn provided, but whether those data refute Kelly's point. A city could have record-setting NHL ratings but a reporter may still be able to find a bartender who would be unable to find a game on a particular night (especially given that Kelly's anecdote was from "a few years ago"). Kelly's anecdote is just that, and cannot be refuted with data.

I was just trying to point out that he didn't actually say he couldn't find a single screen showing hockey in the whole city, or that ratings were poor - he just related a dated and useless anecdote.

I also understand where BattleBorn was coming from. Why did the guy tell us about not being able to find a hockey game from one bartender at one bar? He was saying that because in today's FoxNews society, one blurb gets put out there and suddenly that becomes the end-all, be-all of the situation. Zomg, this guy couldn't find a game, how will the other 2 million people in Las Vegas ever support a team. He put that out there because he wanted to show that Vegas really doesn't know hockey. He was implying that all of Las Vegas would be like that. When someone makes a statement like that he isn't saying what he is saying, he is saying what he wants people to hear.

BattleBorn wasn't refuting his statement, he was refuting his implication.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

ps, the single best new show on television anywhere is Schitt's Creek - a CBC comedy starring eugene levy and catherine o'hara.

Its buried on Pop (formerly tv guide network) on USA directv, but after seeing ads for it on a visit to canada last month, i was thrilled to find it. A bit more mighty wind-ish than sctv-ish, but yeah, its great.

 

[Killion]

...this guy couldn't find a game, how will the other 2 million people in Las Vegas ever support a team. He put that out there because he wanted to show that Vegas really doesn't know hockey. He was implying that all of Las Vegas would be like that. When someone makes a statement like that he isn't saying what he is saying, he is saying what he wants people to hear.

Oh ya, the whole thing was framed as looking through a glass darkly. Smear job. Right from the first frame. Heres Hipster Doofus cruising the strip with a really bad case of bed~head, smirk of arrogant bemusement on his face.... from that point on, entire segment goes full on Ditch Walker. Cruises over to "The Sign". Incoherent replys to his questions from some random Austrian guy or whatever. Heads to a Trailer Park. I mean... words just fail. Its actually **** like that that actually turns even the most avid so called hockey-entitled Canadian traditionalist into a supporter of Vegas's ambitions to land a team and hope their successful on & off the ice. Galling. All too common with that broadcaster in particular. Not impressed. And then they wonder why no one watches, why their budgets are being slashed. Pathetic. Im all for healthy objective skepticism sure, but get real. Be honest.

 

[BattleBorn]

Maybe a little inside baseball here, but the person acting as VegasWantsHockey on Facebook is now talking about reaching the goal in the past tense and saying that "It's our team."

Maybe an announcement forthcoming? This is a definite change in tone.

Thanks for the support Chris! We appreciate every single person who has helped us reach our goal equally! You are just as important as number 10,000!

A great point, Jill! It's our team!

 

[Killion]

Maybe an announcement forthcoming? This is a definite change in tone.

Never any doubt in my mind you guys hit 10,000 but why stop there? Nothing better than exceeding expectations, go for the Gold. Go for 15,000. That too could be accomplished however, 10K, if thats the Finish Line for now, thats cool. Im also pretty sure this in fact a done deal. Bettman said awhile back he wanted this wrapped up in advance of the BOG's Meetings in June which was when he said it several months away. My guess (total Speculation here of course) is that ya, Vegas and Quebec In Like Flint for the 2016/17 or at the latest 2017/18 seasons. Any incredulity over the awarding of a franchise to Vegas overwhelmed, naysayers & critics drowned out with the joy a return of the Nordiques would bring (and not to criticize Las Vegas & the fans but I think most would agree if being honest that in light of the leagues rather lousy track record in the SW & elsewhere combined with the unique aspects & challenges LV represents there is cause for caution & skepticism but hey, what is man if he cannot dream, accomplish what had once been considered an absurdity or the impossible?) and all coinciding nicely with the Leagues 100th Anniversary Celebrations.

 

[BattleBorn]

Never any doubt in my mind you guys hit 10,000 but why stop there? Nothing better than exceeding expectations, go for the Gold. Go for 15,000. That too could be accomplished however, 10K, if thats the Finish Line for now, thats cool.

I agree. I've said a couple of times that I wouldn't be surprised if, after the 10,000 was announced they added in the corporate group/casino buys and pushed it up to 12,000 or so. I don't think they'll stop at 10,000, but unless they've got something in the works to market the outstanding response "Get them while you still can" I see it stalling out after 10,000 or so until the actual announcement that a team has been awarded to Vegas.

 

[Killion]

I don't think they'll stop at 10,000, but unless they've got something in the works to market the outstanding response "Get them while you still can"...

.... well, one things for certain: Vegas gets in, NHL just got a whole lot sexier. And thats a good thing.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

.... well, one things for certain: Vegas gets in, NHL just got a whole lot sexier. And thats a good thing.

What better place to announce it than at the NHL Awards held in... Vegas?

 

[Killion]

What better place to announce it than at the NHL Awards held in... Vegas?

Maybe huh?.... Cant remember the guys name (Billy Johnson?), but he was either the GM or Business & Marketing Manager / President of the Las Vegas Wranglers who was interviewed some time ago about the NHL coming to town. Very sharp tack. Know's the market really well, highly creative individual, no BS, aggressive. Foley couldnt do better I dont think then to hire that guy & tout sweet.

 

[BattleBorn]

.... well, one things for certain: Vegas gets in, NHL just got a whole lot sexier. And thats a good thing.

Let me ask this question, and it's something I've been thinking about since the announcement of the drive:

Let's say the ticket drive hits 10,000 today, they add in the other stuff and we're sitting at 11,000 STHs or so. What happens then? I know this is sort of going out of order for an expansion team, having the drive before the team announcement. Does the expansion vote have to occur at a normally scheduled meeting of the BoG, or can this undertaken via conference call or proxy vote?

The reason I ask is twofold.
-It would be awesome to not spend the next three months talking about a "potential team in Vegas."
-More importantly, we're getting ready to jump into what I called a "limbo period" where the ticket drive is, for all intents and purposes, over. "Hey Vegas, we hit our goal. We'll let you know what happens in June." Then it's radio silence time with three months for more CBC stories to come out, more time for local naysayers to fight against the effort for one reason or another, more time to fight over the same points here on HF and in people's living rooms, and really nothing positive coming from Hockey Vision Las Vegas or the league until the actual vote.