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trick9

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Right. So a shake up deal could be Kuznetsov + someone like Lapierre. And/or someone else like Alexeyev?

I see McMichael and Fehervery being the young blood they need to push the vets. Akin to 2017-18. That said, if the team likes Alexeyev more and he’s basically on track for the same timelines, then that’s the other option.

so what’s does a deal that has:
Kuznetsov
Lapierre
Alexeyev/Fehervary
High Draft Pick

get the Caps?

I don't think many teams that are looking to trade a star player want to bring back Kuznetsov in return. Certainly not the Sabres, for example. Then there are the teams on his no-trade list. If he's involved in a huge trade then there is likely the need for a 3rd team that wants him. Even then they will likely need to bring back salary in return. Only sort of hockey trade with Kuznetsov involved i see right now would be with the Wild if they decide to move one of their D's because of expansion draft. That would still leave the Capitals with a glaring hole at center though.

I still think that they will get solid offers for Kuznetsov. There are lots of teams that need a top-6 center and those really aren't available so maybe some of them will overlook his red flags and take a shot with him. The problem for the Capitals is that i don't see those teams sending us a center back. And like i said, there really isn't that many options around to replace him. Each of the available ones come with their own red flags.
 

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Kuznetsov to Vegas for Fleury + Krebs + 2nd or something

Only team I can see lining up to get him and they're not shy about dealing to get.
 

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Yes that’s correct to an extent. The writers’ ballots are now public, so there is probably some pressure for them to do their research before casting a ballot. Not perfectly objective of course, but much better than a fun poll for friends about friends that the NHLPA conducted.

Lol ok
 
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twabby

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Just like Josi and Slavin. But they aren’t number one guys either. I’m just curious why all those number one D didn’t get any votes……

That’s correct on Slavin. He’s been more of a #2 guy for his career while Dougie Hamilton has been Carolina’s best D. It’ll be interesting to see how he does next year if Hamilton decides to go elsewhere as a UFA. Josi is a good player but didn’t deserve the Norris this year.

There’s only so many votes to go around. It’s hard to make the argument that since John Carlson received two 4th place votes on 100 ballots, and no other votes, that he is definitively a better player than everyone else who received fewer votes or no votes at all. The writers as a whole still aren’t perfect of course.
 
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CapitalsCupReality

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Yes that’s correct. Tyson Barrie led the NHL in points by defensemen and did not receive a single Norris vote and rightfully so.

He’s no Mike Green that’s for sure.

TB isn’t even the best D on his own team…..why on earth would someone expect him to get Norris votes?

Hollow validation attempt denied….sorry man.
 
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twabby

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He’s no Mike Green that’s for sure.

TB isn’t even the best D on his own team…..why on earth would someone expect him to get Norris votes?

Hollow validation attempt denied….sorry man.

I’m with you. Barrie is a perfect example of why measuring a defenseman based on point totals alone is misguided, and the same lesson should be applied to Capitals defensemen John Carlson and Justin Schultz when evaluating their overall impact.
 
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I’m with you. Barrie is a perfect example of why measuring a defenseman based on point totals alone is misguided, and the same lesson should be applied to Capitals defensemen John Carlson and Justin Schultz when evaluating their overall impact.

nobody (here) really measures anyone on point totals alone.
 
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twabby

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nobody (here) really measures anyone on point totals alone.

Not a defenseman, but I seem to recall you being quite disappointed in Evgeny Kuznetsov simply because he wasn’t scoring enough points for your liking, despite him driving play and despite him having good defensive metrics and despite the team enjoying an excellent goal differential with him on the ice.

I think your statement, as the popular website Politifact would say, is “Pants on Fire!”
 

CapitalsCupReality

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Not a defenseman, but I seem to recall you being quite disappointed in Evgeny Kuznetsov simply because he wasn’t scoring enough points for your liking, despite him driving play and despite him having good defensive metrics and despite the team enjoying an excellent goal differential with him on the ice.

I think your statement, as the popular website Politifact would say, is “Pants on Fire!”

he gets paid top $ to be a dominant offense producer. It’s his primary role and the only reason he makes 7.8 mil per.

if he’s a 50 pt guy, he should be paid accordingly. Caps can’t afford to keep a salary cap anchor who doesn’t actually produce real goals and setup others.

Just being 1 of a 5 man unit who tilts the ice slightly doesn’t warrant you earning ~$8 mil a year.
 

twabby

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he gets paid top $ to be a dominant offense producer. It’s his primary role and the only reason he makes 7.8 mil per.

if he’s a 50 pt guy, he should be paid accordingly. Caps can’t afford to keep a salary cap anchor who doesn’t actually produce real goals and setup others.

Just being 1 of a 5 man unit who tilts the ice slightly doesn’t warrant you earning ~$8 mil a year.

Sounds like you are measuring his effectiveness solely on point totals!
 

CapitalsCupReality

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Sounds like you are measuring his effectiveness solely on point totals!

It’s his primary role. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate his slight ice tilting as his 5 man unit assists him while on ice.

Really no need to rehash this. You feel he’s earning his 7.8 mil per year, I don’t.

I feel confident that absolutely ZERO NHL teams covet paying ~$8 mil a year for that return on investment.
 
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Right. So a shake up deal could be Kuznetsov + someone like Lapierre. And/or someone else like Alexeyev?

I see McMichael and Fehervery being the young blood they need to push the vets. Akin to 2017-18. That said, if the team likes Alexeyev more and he’s basically on track for the same timelines, then that’s the other option.

so what’s does a deal that has:
Kuznetsov
Lapierre
Alexeyev/Fehervary
High Draft Pick

get the Caps?
Should at the very least get you an Eichel/Marner caliber talent plus something marginal. Of course the big "if" here is you negotiate this as an NHL caliber GM.
 

Melkor

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I don’t think McMichael alone would be the centerpiece of a trade. He’d probably have to be packaged with a primary piece like Wilson or Carlson in order for a deal to make sense from another team’s perspective.
That's right. I meant to say I'm having a hard time imagining him to be the key piece that makes or brakes the deal for the #1C. That Wilson/Carlson guy is what would make a difference.
 

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It’s his primary role. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate his slight ice tilting as his 5 man unit assists him while on ice.

Really no need to rehash this. You feel he’s earning his 7.8 mil per year, I don’t.

I feel confident that absolutely ZERO NHL teams covet paying ~$8 mil a year for that return on investment.

Kuznetsov 2020-21 points per game. 0.71. At 0.70 Tom Wilson and Bo Horvat. At 0.71 Andrew Copp and Jack Roslovic. Would you trade Kuzy straight up for Tom Wilson or Anders Lee?
 

twabby

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It’s his primary role. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate his slight ice tilting as his 5 man unit assists him while on ice.

Really no need to rehash this. You feel he’s earning his 7.8 mil per year, I don’t.

I feel confident that absolutely ZERO NHL teams covet paying ~$8 mil a year for that return on investment.

I don’t think he is really playing up to his salary, and I especially don’t think he has done so over the past 3 years when taken in totality.

I also think they should be looking to upgrade his position in particular. If I were truly happy with Kuznetsov I wouldn’t be advocating so strongly to get an upgrade for him.

I defended his play on the ice last year mainly because he was good (not great) and was unfairly piled on in my estimation, especially when other players were performing even worse given their salaries in my opinion and were largely getting by with a free pass (Ovechkin, Backstrom, and Carlson in particular). Unfortunately a lot of the negative media attention Kuznetsov gets is his own fault and I understand how that colors people’s perceptions of him, but I’d hope the fans here would be able to ignore media narratives when judging a player.
 
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CapitalsCupReality

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I don’t think he is really playing up to his salary, and I especially don’t think he has done so over the past 3 years when taken in totality.

I also think they should be looking to upgrade his position in particular. If I were truly happy with Kuznetsov I wouldn’t be advocating so strongly to get an upgrade for him.

I defended his play on the ice last year mainly because he was good (not great) and was unfairly piled on in my estimation, especially when other players were performing even worse given their salaries in my opinion and were largely getting by with a free pass (Ovechkin, Backstrom, and Carlson in particular). Unfortunately a lot of the negative media attention Kuznetsov gets is his own fault and I understand how that colors people’s perceptions of him, but I’d hope the fans here would be able to ignore media narratives when judging a player.

I (and I bet many others) could ignore all of his BS for 25g/80pts a year. Caps fans acceptance of him isn’t a complicated formula.

Do your F’ing job.
 
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twabby

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I (and I bet many others) could ignore all of his BS for 25g/80pts a year. Caps fans acceptance of him isn’t a complicated formula.

Do your F’ing job.

He had 21 goals and 72 points in 76 games in 2018-19. It's not quite 25 goals and 80 points, but it was close.

Do you think he had a good year in 2018-19?
 
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