League News: NHL Talk - (News n' Scores n' Stuff) | 2024-25 Summer Edition

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Seems like the Caps may have no one at the 4 Nations. Wonder how common that will be league-wide? Can't imagine there are that many.

Is this a good thing? Its alot of time off mid season
I remember one season being tanked after Ovie had a bad showing for Russia

 

[Langway]

Probably not a bad thing, no. Looks like Seattle may be the only other team without a participant.

 

[um]

I hope all our guys take it personally.

No respect!

In a vacuum, sure, BT is more valuable as an asset than CMM. But I don't think he's the same talent tier as his brother. He's the Jordan Staal to Matthew's Eric.

I don't think he's the player you empty the futures tank for.

When it comes to our future stockpile, I think we will be outbid easily.

But Ottawa has been rebuilding for 8 years now. They may not want more futures.

 

[ovikovy817]

I hope 0 of them will be selected but I do expect at least Carlson to be there.

 

[Midnight Judges]

We can’t take CMM’s literal “best run ever”, see that it’s “kinda” where BTkachuk always is, and then use that as “proof” that they are similar.

I mean, come on. That’s just laughable.

Sure, if CMM pots 40g/80pts, then OK. BIG IF.

We are also not taking into consideration what a player like Tkachuk could do in THIS (Carbery’s) system. LOTS of our players are having career defining starts to the season, none more than our glorious captain.

I mean — Ottawa has 75 goals in 24 games. Capitals have 102 in 25. No even close to the same. Tkachuk would benefit from that in a BIG way as well.

Just saying.

My brain says you are correct.

My instinct says "don't mess with a good thing" and the Caps are rolling right now.

 

[Langway]

I hope 0 of them will be selected but I do expect at least Carlson to be there.

Seravalli doesn't have him on his "projected" lineup. There was some thought Wilson or Thompson could make Canada's roster but it sure doesn't seem like it.

 

[trick9]

Seattle the only other team to have nobody there.

For me, great. Feel bad for few of the players but it is what it is. I like Olympics do a degree but not this tournament. I'm glad we are going to have a rested team at the crunch time.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Pick none of ours…..use that as motivation!

 

[wickedwitch]

It's less likely to happen in a meaningless tournament like 4 Nations, but if none of the Caps are selected, then none can suffer crippling emotional disappointment from losing.

(I also think Carlson gets chosen.)

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

And im sure some big time players will get hurt.
Lets hope it happens to our metro rivals hehe.

 

[Ridley Simon]

I’d send CMM (rather not Protas, as he’s a different animal), Cristall, and a first. Add salary (Mangie? Or Sandin?) where needed.

Obv for BTkachuk.

6mo ago everyone would drop their pants for that deal. Let’s not over compensate for some of our players “hot starts”.

It's less likely to happen in a meaningless tournament like 4 Nations, but if none of the Caps are selected, then none can suffer crippling emotional disappointment from losing.

(I also think Carlson gets chosen.)

Or crippling injuries, which can be harder to repair

 

[hb13xchamps]

Carlson seems like a slap in the face IMO

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

Maybe a waaaay better offensive version of JS lol….the gap between the Tkachuk brothers seems much smaller to me.

I think he is what we've seen - a 35-35-70 type guy who brings a lot of physicality to the game. Great player archetype to have, but his brother has two 40-60-100 seasons. That's a significant gap.

 

[twabby]

I’d send CMM (rather not Protas, as he’s a different animal), Cristall, and a first. Add salary (Mangie? Or Sandin?) where needed.

Obv for BTkachuk.

That's a spicy meatball!

I'm obviously higher on Cristall than most here but this seems like way too much.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

I love the fact that none of our guys made any of the teams.

- Chip on their shoulder.
- No risk of any injuries during the tournament.
- Extra rest for the playoffs.

It’s like when the NHL decided to skip the 2018 Olympics. Ovi took it personally and won the Cup instead.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Kinda…

“I walk over, I grab the guy’s arm and I say, ‘Listen, buddy, if you keep harassing and assaulting the staff here, we’re going to go outside and we’re going to have some problems,’” Bissonnette said on the podcast. “The minute that left my mouth, the guy besides him starts throwing punches. And next thing you know there’s four guys swinging at me.”

Sounds like he initiated physical contact, challenged them to mutually agreed-upon combat, and then got his ass beat.

I know he’s been talking a lot about pressing charges or filing a civil suit but if that’s the way it went down it might not be as easy as he thinks.

Arizona is also a “stand your ground” state so if he grabs someone’s arm they have no duty to retreat before defending themselves. He’s honestly lucky he didn’t catch a knife or worse, sounds like he had them pegged as some drunken country club white collar guys, when in reality they’re involved in organized crime.

The alternative is pretty obvious:

"The police are on their way. I just called them."

^^^That tends to reduce the likelihood of assaults taking place moreso than grabbing people and challenging them.

Yeah seen this move pulled off successfully before.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I think he is what we've seen - a 35-35-70 type guy who brings a lot of physicality to the game. Great player archetype to have, but his brother has two 40-60-100 seasons. That's a significant gap.

He’s also older, been on more talented rosters….it’s less of a gap than between Eric and Jordan IMO.

On pace for 44g, 91pts over 82….

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Sounds like he initiated physical contact, challenged them to mutually agreed-upon combat, and then got his ass beat.

I know he’s been talking a lot about pressing charges or filing a civil suit but if that’s the way it went down it might not be as easy as he thinks.

Arizona is also a “stand your ground” state so if he grabs someone’s arm they have no duty to retreat before defending themselves. He’s honestly lucky he didn’t catch a knife or worse, sounds like he had them pegged as some drunken country club white collar guys, when in reality they’re involved in organized crime.


Yeah seen this move pulled off successfully before.

lol sure…let’s see how this plays out. It’s not going to be in favor of the 7 dudes I promise you.

 

[PlushMinus]

Sounds like he initiated physical contact, challenged them to mutually agreed-upon combat, and then got his ass beat.

I know he’s been talking a lot about pressing charges or filing a civil suit but if that’s the way it went down it might not be as easy as he thinks.

Arizona is also a “stand your ground” state so if he grabs someone’s arm they have no duty to retreat before defending themselves. He’s honestly lucky he didn’t catch a knife or worse, sounds like he had them pegged as some drunken country club white collar guys, when in reality they’re involved in organized crime.


Yeah seen this move pulled off successfully before.

Am I misunderstanding this, or are you actually landing on the side of these assholes??

I sure hope not. Cos that is...f***ed up.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Am I misunderstanding this, or are you actually landing on the side of these assholes??

I sure hope not. Cos that is...f***ed up.

It need not be binary. Sometimes when people are fighting they're all a bunch of idiots.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

It need not be binary. Sometimes when people are fighting they're all a bunch of idiots.

And sometimes it’s a bunch of dipshit thugs who will smack or jump anyone. It’s a yes or no question. You support behavior like this or you don’t.

***See golf course video for a reminder of who is what in this scenario***

Can’t believe we’re back to this being remotely open for debate….

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Am I misunderstanding this, or are you actually landing on the side of these assholes??

I sure hope not. Cos that is...f***ed up.

Of course not… But looking at it from a legal perspective, it sounds like he challenged them to a fight and that will complicate an attempt on his part to recover damages. One defense to a suit for assault is that the combat was mutually agreed upon.

You can’t offer to fight someone and then sue them for damages after.

Now, if he was only speaking to one dude in particular and 5 others jumped in, he would have a case against the 5 others.

 

[Ridley Simon]

That's a spicy meatball!

I'm obviously higher on Cristall than most here but this seems like way too much.

It’s trading for a 25yr old power forward/leader. Other than his brother, how many power forwards are better? And that cost controlled?

Honest question?

 

[PlushMinus]

Of course not… But looking at it from a legal perspective, it sounds like he challenged them to a fight and that will complicate an attempt on his part to recover damages. One defense to a suit for assault is that the combat was mutually agreed upon.

You can’t offer to fight someone and then sue them for damages after.

Now, if he was only speaking to one dude in particular and 5 others jumped in, he would have a case against the 5 others.

Thanks for clarifying.

I doubt Bissonette needs the money and I doubt these lowlifes would pay up anyway. I guess that's between him and them and the legal system.

As long as they are convicted of assault etc I'd be happy with the outcome.

 

[Ridley Simon]

It need not be binary. Sometimes when people are fighting they're all a bunch of idiots.

This isn’t wrong. It may not apply to this situation, but we are talking about Paul Bissonette, who is KNOWN for trying to create drama (mostly w words now, but he was a pugilistic player, with an edge). He’s also got a MASSIVE ego, and probably felt like Rambo taking on a band of thugs.

Put it this way — “Bizz” isn’t exactly known for being altruistic. I’m sure he cares for the establishment he defended, I truly do. But I also am certain he instigated things to some degree. That’s just who he is, and has always been.

He is an instigator.