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That says “Struck by lightening“ not killed by….right?
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Edit: although I am curious of the prompt, it’s fine….not really a topic worth derailed the thread for. Thanks.
 
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Looks suspicious to me and I do expect accountability in any profession. It’s a terrible situation for everyone involved including the fans who witnessed this live. Plenty of accidents happen just like negligent discharges or DUI, however a simple I’m sorry isn’t sufficient and requires accountability. Professional sports shouldn’t be exempt. Intentional or accidental, he has to live with fact someone died due to his actions,
 
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IafrateOvie34 said:
Looks suspicious to me and I do expect accountability in any profession. It’s a terrible situation for everyone involved including the fans who witnessed this live. Plenty of accidents happen just like negligent discharges or DUI, however a simple I’m sorry isn’t sufficient and requires accountability. Professional sports shouldn’t be exempt. Intentional or accidental, he has to live with fact someone died due to his actions,
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He's already living with it no matter what.

We sign up for injury when we step on the ice. If you can't even prove intent in the action to do the action (which frankly, I can't say he did anything on purpose, there's reasonable grounds to call it a byproduct of a collision) it looks odd but isn't enough to convict a man of manslaughter.
 
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He's already living with it no matter what.

We sign up for injury when we step on the ice. If you can't even prove intent in the action to do the action (which frankly, I can't say he did anything on purpose, there's reasonable grounds to call it a byproduct of a collision) it looks odd but isn't enough to convict a man of manslaughter.
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Depends on prior history and yes a sport with razor blades and bludgeoning sticks are an extreme hazard. I’m not familiar with UK laws or a film examiner, howevever to me it looked intentional. With this sport it can be difficult to prove due to the hazards, except for what McSorley and Bertuzzi did. In those cases those were clear intent and imho a slap on wrist sadly. It’s a terrible situation overall.
 
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Depends on prior history and yes a sport with razor blades and bludgeoning sticks are an extreme hazard. I’m not familiar with UK laws or a film examiner, howevever to me it looked intentional. With this sport it can be difficult to prove due to the hazards, except for what McSorley and Bertuzzi did. In those cases those were clear intent and imho a slap on wrist sadly. It’s a terrible situation overall.
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As someone whose feet get pretty clumsy (and let's be honest, anyone who has skated and managed to do it backwards has cow-tipped before) I just can't see a reality where Petgrave was trying for a two-for-one where he checks the off-puck man and also stretches out to get a little extra on the guy who actually has the puck. I one had my forearm cut elbow to wrist by some guy eating shit, it can absolutely happen. It was shallow and no big deal, but I got it up in protection of my face so.... could be telling a different story. NHL has had plenty of close calls around facial/neck injuries and lacerations, it isn't even close to the first time it's been done by accident.

Like, it's an ugly video and I'm not going to invite anyone to watch it again, but when Petgrave is coming in from the blue line if he really wanted to seal off Johnson he wouldn't swing a leg out and trip him, he'd check Johnson. That would have essentially been "his guy" and he would have been within reason to just hit him if he wanted to obstruct his progress, I'm not sure what his actual thinking was (because in my mind Johnson is the guy you should mark anyway) but I just don't see how he's making a calculated play to do both.

Instead he comes in and marks a guy at speed, and it looks to me like their skates hit each other. It also seems like, going the speed he's going, he basically just hit a firm stop in the lower body department and eats a big bag of blank while Johnson happens to cut into the lane he was just in.

It sucks big time, I don't think there's a way to say that enough, but I also have a really hard time convicting a guy based on what I saw. If that's our bar, the guy who got Malarchuk should have been charged as well.
 
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As someone whose feet get pretty clumsy (and let's be honest, anyone who has skated and managed to do it backwards has cow-tipped before) I just can't see a reality where Petgrave was trying for a two-for-one where he checks the off-puck man and also stretches out to get a little extra on the guy who actually has the puck. I one had my forearm cut elbow to wrist by some guy eating shit, it can absolutely happen. It was shallow and no big deal, but I got it up in protection of my face so.... could be telling a different story. NHL has had plenty of close calls around facial/neck injuries and lacerations, it isn't even close to the first time it's been done by accident.

Like, it's an ugly video and I'm not going to invite anyone to watch it again, but when Petgrave is coming in from the blue line if he really wanted to seal off Johnson he wouldn't swing a leg out and trip him, he'd check Johnson. That would have essentially been "his guy" and he would have been within reason to just hit him if he wanted to obstruct his progress, I'm not sure what his actual thinking was (because in my mind Johnson is the guy you should mark anyway) but I just don't see how he's making a calculated play to do both.

Instead he comes in and marks a guy at speed, and it looks to me like their skates hit each other. It also seems like, going the speed he's going, he basically just hit a firm stop in the lower body department and eats a big bag of blank while Johnson happens to cut into the lane he was just in.

It sucks big time, I don't think there's a way to say that enough, but I also have a really hard time convicting a guy based on what I saw. If that's our bar, the guy who got Malarchuk should have been charged as well.
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I understand where you‘re coming from. IMHO, this doesn’t look accidental compared to Malarchuk, Zednik, or what happened to McCleary. Sadly, I watched two of those on live tv With Malarchuk and McCleary. It many not come down to manslaughter, but some sort of litigation is going to occur. Maybe someone from the UK can chime in. I agree people shouldn’t watch the video.
 
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I understand where you‘re coming from. IMHO, this doesn’t look accidental compared to Malarchuk, Zednik, or what happened to McCleary. Sadly, I watched two of those on live tv With Malarchuk and McCleary. It many not come down to manslaughter, but some sort of litigation is going to occur. Maybe someone from the UK can chime in. I agree people shouldn’t watch the video.
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I just don't see him take a swing. It's clumsy as all hell, but I don't see anything even to the tune of sticking a knee out when you miss a check. He really just looks like he spiked himself in the ice somehow and ate big time shit

It's goofy, but we're also talking about an OHL player living his prime playing years playing in f***ing England, he's not going to be the best of the best. I don't think one trip from his junior days is enough to say "see this guy swings the leg all the time" (not that you did, but people are)
 
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I just don't see him take a swing. It's clumsy as all hell, but I don't see anything even to the tune of sticking a knee out when you miss a check. He really just looks like he spiked himself in the ice somehow and ate big time shit

It's goofy, but we're also talking about an OHL player living his prime playing years playing in f***ing England, he's not going to be the best of the best. I don't think one trip from his junior days is enough to say "see this guy swings the leg all the time" (not that you did, but people are)
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At least they are investigating it. Oh and I certainly don’t expect the best ice in a UK league Or top hockey players. In the fastest physical sport I’m surprised more of this hasn’t happened. Thankfully, they are super rare occurrences and I’m all for protective equipment like for the throat and not just against sharp blades. Those pucks over 100mph are lethal. I think believe most of us have witnessed many of those block shots. I remember when Tinordi took a MacGinnis slapper while with the North Stars. To think some on here remember goalies with no masks or in our timeline no helmets. We’ll see what happens in the upcoming months. Terrible for all involved.
 
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Eller's resurgence is probably all just based around expectations.

Like, here he'd been the dominant 3rd C who could easily fill in as a 2C when called upon. His lines dominated possession, they were often matched up against the best of the opposition, and he was all around a core part of the teams strength. But then he got old, and he got worse. He no longer could really even hold possession, let alone dominate it. They were still putting him in harder matchups, but his lines were floundering. And then we top it all off with a core piece now feeling like a drag on the team. I think it's the same with most former core players on a team, they often can't be demoted gracefully and have to go to another team to really transition into that different role. It's just he was already in the traditional "demotion" role.

Flipside, Pen's and everyone just heard how bad he was and how washed he was. Basically being an NHL body would have been seen as above expectations for how he got lambasted.

Also, I still think Lavi's system was trash that was probably also artificially depressing Eller's numbers but also it's 15 games in. If he's still producing at a 40 point pace into February then maybe they can do some victory laps.
 
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