Olympics: NHL participation in the 2022 Olympics

[nickp91]

Play the Olympic hockey tournament in Vegas!!

 

[jfc64]

Play the Olympic hockey tournament in Vegas!!

L.A. Chinatown.

 

[Urbanskog]

If it really came down to each NHL player individually making the choice themselves, it would be interesting to see what kind of different rosters each team managed to scrape together. Perhaps some teams would suffer from far more refusals than others. So far it seems that Canadian and Swedish players have been the loudest with their concerns.

 

[pabst blue ribbon]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...EQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1vb1K1LGx3ZFNCpOVZ9MvY

Here's the Beijing 2022 Athletes Guidebook, with all the information on COVID testing, tracing and containment procedures. Skimming through it I found nothing that would imply a 3 to 5 week quarantine would occur to someone if they tested positive for COVID symptomatic or asymptomatic.

I don't know where NHL reporters got this information about a 3 to 5 week quarantine, a primary source would be much appreciated. In addition, if the whole thing is just a rumor and not a confirmed fact, why are NHL reporters treating as a confirmed fact and asking NHL players (who probably just learned that from the reporter) about it?

 

[Albatros]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...EQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1vb1K1LGx3ZFNCpOVZ9MvY

Here's the Beijing 2022 Athletes Guidebook, with all the information on COVID testing, tracing and containment procedures. Skimming through it I found nothing that would imply a 3 to 5 week quarantine would occur to someone if they tested positive for COVID symptomatic or asymptomatic.

I don't know where NHL reporters got this information about a 3 to 5 week quarantine, a primary source would be much appreciated. In addition, if the whole thing is just a rumor and not a confirmed fact, why are NHL reporters treating as a confirmed fact and asking NHL players (who probably just learned that from the reporter) about it?

Chinese national regulations have nothing to do with the IOC and its guidelines.

 

[pabst blue ribbon]

Chinese national regulations have nothing to do with the IOC and its guidelines.

Who says Olympic athletes who are going to be in the bubble during their stay in China are going to go through Chinese regulations?

Again here's what they actually say about Athletes who test positive for COVID:

 

[Toro2017]

Yeah but then many teams won't have all of the their best players, since KHL'ers and other European-based players will still go to the Olympics.

If they would make up some kind of a replacement tournament in short notice, then maybe take only those nations that have enough players in north america.

Maybe five teams. Canada, USA, Russia, Sweden and Finland.

In group A would only be Canada and USA. They would play against each other three times in group stage.

In group B would be Russia, Sweden and Finland. All of them would play once against both other teams in the group -> so three games in this group also.

First round of playoffs:
- Group B2 vs. Group B3

Second round of playoffs:
- Group A1 vs. winner of first round
- Group B1 vs. A2

Then final game between winners of second round. So 10 games in total. Canada and USA could face each other four times.

 

[Lartsaman]

If it really came down to each NHL player individually making the choice themselves, it would be interesting to see what kind of different rosters each team managed to scrape together. Perhaps some teams would suffer from far more refusals than others. So far it seems that Canadian and Swedish players have been the loudest with their concerns.

Every finnish nhl-player is probably going to decline in that case, that´s not new for Finland. Only Russia would have a team full of nhl:ers.

 

[Albatros]

Who says Olympic athletes who are going to be in the bubble during their stay in China are going to go through Chinese regulations?

Again here's what they actually say about Athletes who test positive for COVID:
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Also there it says:

"The location and length of your isolation period will be determined by the Chinese health authorities"

 

[pabst blue ribbon]

Also there it says:

"The location and length of your isolation period will be determined by the Chinese health authorities"

That's a completely different statement than having to quarantine for 3 to 5 weeks due to a positive COVID test

 

[Voight]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...EQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1vb1K1LGx3ZFNCpOVZ9MvY

Here's the Beijing 2022 Athletes Guidebook, with all the information on COVID testing, tracing and containment procedures. Skimming through it I found nothing that would imply a 3 to 5 week quarantine would occur to someone if they tested positive for COVID symptomatic or asymptomatic.

I don't know where NHL reporters got this information about a 3 to 5 week quarantine, a primary source would be much appreciated. In addition, if the whole thing is just a rumor and not a confirmed fact, why are NHL reporters treating as a confirmed fact and asking NHL players (who probably just learned that from the reporter) about it?

This is from Friedman today

According to the Athletes’ Playbook, released this week, “If you have a confirmed positive test: You will not be allowed to compete/continue your role. If you are symptomatic, you will be asked to stay at the designated hospital for treatment. If you are asymptomatic, you will be asked to stay in an isolation facility.” At a hospital, you will be discharged when: “Your body temperature returns to normal for three consecutive days; respiratory symptoms improve significantly; lung imaging shows significant improvement; you have two consecutive negative PCR test results with a sample interval of at least 24 hours; and you display no other COVID-19 symptoms.” At an isolation facility: “You will be tested every day, beginning 24 hours after your last test. You will be discharged once you have two consecutive negative PCR test results with at least 24 hours between the two samples and no other COVID-19 symptoms.”
Nowhere does it specifically outline a three-to-five week quarantine. However, the players are being warned that is the worst-case scenario under Chinese law. And, no matter what the guidelines say, that government makes the rules and can adjust them at any time.

I think the older guys like Tavares, Stamkos, Sid, Doughty etc will really wanna go seeing as its likely their last Olympics. In Stammers case, he missed out last time due to injury so it probably means a helluva lot to play this time around.

For the McDavids, Makars and MackInnons they will more than likely make the team in 2026 if they're healthy so maybe not as urgent or important for them.

 

[MasterPecno]

There is 0% we going to Olympic- seriously, there is a reason players are now talking negatively, it’s because they are preparing us for no nhlers in China. I don’t blame them.

Who in their right mind wants to be imprisoned 5 weeks against their will in China.

 

[Namejs]

There is 0% we going to Olympic- seriously, there is a reason players are now talking negatively, it’s because they are preparing us for no nhlers in China. I don’t blame them.

Who in their right mind wants to be imprisoned 5 weeks against their will in China.

It's like there's a mindless herd of barely literate people posting here.

Every country has its own quarantine rules. Most stipulate the exact same thing. Including most, if not all Western countries. If you're still positive after 3 weeks, you have to stay in quarantine. It is basic common sense. Otherwise you're going to infect everyone around you.

What this statement ignores is that virtually NO ONE tests positive after 3 to 5 weeks.

Statistically speaking, if everyone went to China and everyone got sick, which is extremely unlikely, no one would have to spend 3 to 5 weeks in China.

Put your thinking hats on.

 

[EK47]

That's a completely different statement than having to quarantine for 3 to 5 weeks due to a positive COVID test

Yeah, but it’s also asking westerners to leave the decision-making to chineese authorities with issues regarding both their health and by extension, their freedom.

 

[Namejs]

Yeah, but it’s also asking westerners to obey chineese authorities, which is the principal issue.

PRC is a quasi-Communist shithole of a country with genocidal policies, but this argument is completely ludicrous.

Every country has similar quarantine rules.

They had the same exact procedure in the Tokyo Olympics. If you test positive, you go to an isolation facility and stay there in your isolated room. It almost always takes up to 10 days and that's it.

Like, seriously, what specifically is your alternative idea how to go about it?

 

[Albatros]

PRC is a quasi-Communist shithole of a country with genocidal policies, but this argument is completely ludicrous.

Every country has similar quarantine rules.

They had the same exact procedure in the Tokyo Olympics. If you test positive, you go to an isolation facility and stay there in your isolated room. It almost always takes up to 10 days and that's it.

Like, seriously, what specifically is your alternative idea how to go about it?

Up to 10 days is reasonable. In China even people that test negative are sometimes quarantined for several months. There is no need for an alternative idea, the Chinese authorities should guarantee a release within 10 days as was the case in Tokyo.

 

[Namejs]

Up to 10 days is reasonable. In China even people that test negative are sometimes quarantined for several months. There is no need for an alternative idea, the Chinese authorities should guarantee a release within 10 days as was the case in Tokyo.

It is reasonable, yes. That's how isolation works everywhere, also in China. That's what the procedure is in China.

There are different types of testing that can literally test whether you're infectious or not. 3-5 weeks is the maximum amount of time you can remain both positive and infectious, which happens in extremely rare cases, and it is completely irrational and ill-informed to keep talking about it as if it was somehow the expected procedure or something that's bound to happen.

I think there is a need to understand how testing works first and foremost. It is not a real risk anyone's facing. The increased risk of contracting covid and dying from it is about as high. You're not worried about that as an NHL player, but you're whining about the remote possibility that you get a bad case of covid and have to stay in China for 5 weeks?

The risk assessments here are based on bullshit. It's all completely fabricated.

It is in the business interests of all the franchise owners and league management to cultivate this idea that this somehow is a safety risk for the players in order to affect their behaviour. That's what this is.

If anything, stricter quarantine rules only improve their safety in China.

 

[Albatros]

It is reasonable, yes. That's how isolation works everywhere, also in China. That's what the procedure is in China.

"The length of quarantine depends on the city and the province, but it is at least 21 days in many places."

Why is China’s quarantine so long and does science back it up?

And that's for people that have not tested positive. If you do, you can expect anything except leniency.

There are different types of testing that can literally test whether you're infectious or not. 3-5 weeks is the maximum amount of time you can remain both positive and infectious, which happens in extremely rare cases, and it is completely irrational and ill-informed to keep talking about it as if it was somehow the expected procedure or something that's bound to happen.

You will be tested constantly, but negative tests are not treated as a sufficient proof of not being infectious which is why excessively long isolation periods have become commonplace regardless of test status, in part because outbreaks have occurred regardless.

Man who spent 21 days in quarantine, tested negative 9 times still brought COVID-19 to China

I think there is a need to understand how testing works first and foremost. It is not a real risk anyone's facing. The increased risk of contracting covid and dying from it is about as high. You're not worried about that as an NHL player, but you're whining about the remote possibility that you get a bad case of covid and have to stay in China for 5 weeks?

A Chinese isolation center is one of the the last places I want to be for 5 weeks, with or without a bad case of COVID. But maybe that's just me.

 

[EK47]

PRC is a quasi-Communist shithole of a country with genocidal policies, but this argument is completely ludicrous.

Every country has similar quarantine rules.

They had the same exact procedure in the Tokyo Olympics. If you test positive, you go to an isolation facility and stay there in your isolated room. It almost always takes up to 10 days and that's it.

Like, seriously, what specifically is your alternative idea how to go about it?

There is really no upper limit to what is allowed there is nothing clear, I mean sure countries in the West have applied similar rules. But this is China. Even if its likely that nothing happens, there is a very real uncertainty just by that fact alone.

 

[Faterson]

If they would make up some kind of a replacement tournament in short notice, then maybe take only those nations that have enough players in north america.

Maybe five teams. Canada, USA, Russia, Sweden and Finland.

In group A would only be Canada and USA. They would play against each other three times in group stage.

In group B would be Russia, Sweden and Finland. All of them would play once against both other teams in the group -> so three games in this group also.

First round of playoffs:
- Group B2 vs. Group B3

Second round of playoffs:
- Group A1 vs. winner of first round
- Group B1 vs. A2

Then final game between winners of second round. So 10 games in total. Canada and USA could face each other four times.

And you're generally in favor of apartheid, or only in this particular instance?

 

[NyQuil]

The risk assessments here are based on bullshit. It's all completely fabricated.

Let's just hope that no one in Canada pisses off the Chinese authorities and they decide to hold on to one of our guys for awhile for "health reasons".

Two Canadians imprisoned by China have been released, Prime Minister Trudeau says - CNN

And they weren't living under house arrest like Meng Wanzhou.

 

[Czechboy]

If they would make up some kind of a replacement tournament in short notice, then maybe take only those nations that have enough players in north america.

Maybe five teams. Canada, USA, Russia, Sweden and Finland.

In group A would only be Canada and USA. They would play against each other three times in group stage.

In group B would be Russia, Sweden and Finland. All of them would play once against both other teams in the group -> so three games in this group also.

First round of playoffs:
- Group B2 vs. Group B3

Second round of playoffs:
- Group A1 vs. winner of first round
- Group B1 vs. A2

Then final game between winners of second round. So 10 games in total. Canada and USA could face each other four times.

Czechs could easily ice a team... 7 NHL goalies (fringe) 7 NHL D (fringe) and we definitely have enough centres and wings. We would lose but we totally have all the parts! Another 20 or more in AHL... Including Kempny who would make that squad.

 

[alphahelix]

It's like there's a mindless herd of barely literate people posting here.

Every country has its own quarantine rules. Most stipulate the exact same thing. Including most, if not all Western countries. If you're still positive after 3 weeks, you have to stay in quarantine. It is basic common sense. Otherwise you're going to infect everyone around you.

What this statement ignores is that virtually NO ONE tests positive after 3 to 5 weeks.

Statistically speaking, if everyone went to China and everyone got sick, which is extremely unlikely, no one would have to spend 3 to 5 weeks in China.

Put your thinking hats on.

This is true, and the fact that reporters are badgering players with questions about a 5 week isolation smacks of some sort of agenda. My money is on Bettman full-courts press to get the players to drop-out without taking the blame from fans.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

According to the Czech Olympic Committee spokeswoman, the 3-5 week quarantine thing is an unwarranted media rumour which in fact appears in no single document the Chinese have sent to the participating sport organisations. So I don't know. So much contradictory information emerging, I think we should just sit back and wait how this all ends.

So the 3-5 week quarantine is just a fake internet rumour after all?

 

[Namejs]

Let's just hope that no one in Canada pisses off the Chinese authorities and they decide to hold on to one of our guys for awhile for "health reasons".

Two Canadians imprisoned by China have been released, Prime Minister Trudeau says - CNN

And they weren't living under house arrest like Meng Wanzhou.

Not going due to this is a political decision.

It is a perfectly valid choice that I applaud, but cut the manipulative bullshit about quarantine rules. It's got nothing to do with quarantine.