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[Canucker]

650 with some very serious Petey stuff this morning. Petey just might be the problem or a problem from what the hosts are suggesting. Might need to move on from Petey if what these guys are saying is accurate.

Does anyone on 650 at 6am PST actually know anything?

 

[PavelBure10]

Well Pettersson is definitely a problem. How Miller and himself put themselves over the crest on their jersey this season was ridiculous. A personal spat got way out of control.

Either way trading Pettersson right now would be dumb. His value is at a alltime low and the return package would definitely be underwhelming.

Rumored packaged went from Necas, Kotkieniemi, Morrow and a pick to Kotkieniemi and Roslovic. Yikes.

If Canucks are offered something surprising for Pettersson I would consider it, but until then it's best just to hold onto the struggling star. Hearing the management and staff always questioning him is definitely concerning though.

 

[JT Milker]

650 guys this morning with updated Pettersson news. I missed a lot of it but it sounds like Petey is at odds with coaches and management about the level of his injuries and how that’s connected to his play. Especially with the Twins. Trade rumours should ramp up.

I almost hope this is true just to see whose opinion changes based on the Sedins’ credibility.

 

[Nucker42]

I don’t know why people are getting so annoyed about people making proposals of Boeser to the Wild. Their own board was talking about him as target more in free agency than at the trade deadline but still. Yeah were some unrealistic yes but half of the proposed deals on here are. I saw a ton of proposals of Boeser to Columbus which made little to no sense, at least the Wild are in a playoff spot and need right handed shot for their power play.

Boeser feels like the type of loyal guy that would sign anywhere he gets traded. Maybe I'm wrong but I think he would resign.

650 with some very serious Petey stuff this morning. Petey just might be the problem or a problem from what the hosts are suggesting. Might need to move on from Petey if what these guys are saying is accurate.

Man, Petey sure doesn’t understand the concept of endearing himself to the market. Multiple times now he’s played this baby blame garbage with the media. It’s absolute trash.

The media has given him every opportunity and barely goes at him, especially if you consider it’s been more than a year he’s been playing like this.

But his childish storm out when he was asked about Miller, now yesterday saying it’s annoying dealing with the media.

BUDDY YOUR MAKING 11.6 SCHMILL, CRY ME A RIVER.

 

[Fatass]

Boeser feels like the type of loyal guy that would sign anywhere he gets traded. Maybe I'm wrong but I think he would resign.

Man, Petey sure doesn’t understand the concept of endearing himself to the market. Multiple times now he’s played this baby blame garbage with the media. It’s absolute trash.

The media has given him every opportunity and barely goes at him, especially if you consider it’s been more than a year he’s been playing like this.

But his childish storm out when he was asked about Miller, now yesterday saying it’s annoying dealing with the media.

BUDDY YOUR MAKING 11.6 SCHMILL, CRY ME A RIVER.

Tocchet called out Petey for poor play after last night’s game. Imo Petey doesn’t show openly he cares about what others say about him.
Maybe Petey’s ego matches his hat size?

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Improvement in the NHL is rarely lineal. A lot of good teams catch lightning in a bottle, and make a magical run to the playoffs--only to slump backward in the next season.

In 2023-24 just about everything that could go 'right' for the Canucks, fell into place. This year, the polar opposite. Untimely injuries; dressing-room dysfunction; and a general malaise with the kind of dump and chase hockey that Tocchet favors.

The same thing happened to the Devils last year. After making the playoffs the year before, everything went south. A string of devastating injuries and some substandard goaltending, and they were back in lottery land. But this year they're a sure playoff bet in the East.

So this probably just isn't the Canucks year. The retool has to continue. I suspect Wilander, D-Petey, Lekkerimaki and maybe even Raty crack the lineup next season.

They'll move out a few of their UFA's for useful pieces at the TDL, And with oodles of cap space, the Canucks can really go big game hunting at the July 1st UFA day. They're actually in a better place than the gloom and doom would suggest.

Yup. If this is the low end of this group for the next couple years we’re actually in pretty good shape. Lmao.

 

[Hodgy]

Yup. If this is the low end of this group for the next couple years we’re actually in pretty good shape. Lmao.

I can’t imagine watching 164 more games as boring as this. I may be bored to death.

 

[Peen]

I almost hope this is true just to see whose opinion changes based on the Sedins’ credibility.

Mine. I’m fully out if that’s true. I view those guys as infallible.

Time to move on.

 

[credulous]

I can’t imagine watching 164 more games as boring as this. I may be bored to death.

i'm very close to checking out on this team. the hockey isn't entertaining and the management group hasn't shown any kind of ability to put together a coherent plan to contend. they're just scrambling fixing one problem by creating a new one over and over

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I almost hope this is true just to see whose opinion changes based on the Sedins’ credibility.

Quoted for truth.

i'm very close to checking out on this team. the hockey isn't entertaining and the management group hasn't shown any kind of ability to put together a coherent plan to contend. they're just scrambling fixing one problem by creating a new one over and over

Get a hobby. Play an instrument. Read a book. Don't watch the Canucks lol

 

[Huggy43]

The media has given him every opportunity and barely goes at him, especially if you consider it’s been more than a year he’s been playing like this.

… I’m sorry but what?!? Do you not listen to sports radio? That’s literally all Brough & Donnie/Dhali do is go at him.

 

[Fatass]

… I’m sorry but what?!? Do you not listen to sports radio? That’s literally all Brough & Donnie/Dhali do is go at him.

I don’t think Petey’s comment to the press after last game had anything to do with sports radio. You think Petey listens to 650?
Petey has always been difficult for the press. He’s a sour puss.
Imo Petey must be traded. JR alluded to that happening with his “both might” go comment.

 

[Peen]

… I’m sorry but what?!? Do you not listen to sports radio? That’s literally all Brough & Donnie/Dhali do is go at him.

He’s also only been asked about it directly like two times because of limited access to the team.

The daily show guys talk about the best player on the best team underperforming? Wow, that’s so unfair. Almost as if he’s been fantastic every day over the past year.

 

[I am toxic]

650 guys this morning with updated Pettersson news. I missed a lot of it but it sounds like Petey is at odds with coaches and management about the level of his injuries and how that’s connected to his play. Especially with the Twins. Trade rumours should ramp up.

I can understand why they have differences. It saddens me on more than one level, and I am a coward

Or sensible. I always get them confused

 

[bossram]

I don’t think Petey’s comment to the press after last game had anything to do with sports radio. You think Petey listens to 650?
Petey has always been difficult for the press. He’s a sour puss.
Imo Petey must be traded. JR alluded to that happening with his “both might” go comment.

I mean, is your argument that the all-day Vancouver (which is pretty much Canucks-centric) sports radio is not part of the media?

Cant believe it was less than a year ago we were the 5th best team to exit the playoffs and 1 game away from defeating the Western Champs.

I think this is proof Canucks need to act fast and maximize Hughes' value. Trade Boeser for assets and use that to build a top line.

Chytil is a 2C or 3C on a contender today. But if he's your 1C, you're toast! life moves fast doesnt it.

No. This is proof that last year was a PDO-powered mirage. That is not what they are and they are not close to contending.

Hughes is going to leave and they don't believe in Petey. Might as well start the rebuild now and pray for Mckenna/Dupont.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

He very clearly needs to undergo surgery if he ever wants his knees at 100% again.

 

[Tinhorn1]

Mine. I’m fully out if that’s true. I view those guys as infallible.

Time to move on.

They're my favourite players, and I have nothing but respect. They're not infallible at all, however, and actually strike me as pretty old school in their mentality. Haven't heard the specifics of this latest scuttlebutt, though.

 

[supercanuck]

This is like Eichel/Hodgson pt 2. Clearly something is bothering EP and management/coaching telling him it is not an injury doesn't help anyone, and is actually making it worse. Love the Sedins but they were also the leaders here during the CH situation.

 

[bossram]

It's pretty simple really. If Pete doesn't rebound we are headed for purgatory. You just have to pray he rebounds this offseason.

This has been my argument for a while. Either Petey is a 1C or they have no chance of being a true contender. They have to bet on him recovering.

Brass sounds like they've had it with him though. They're gonna pull of the BUF end of the Eichel trade and get back a bunch of B-tier assets, basically dooming the team to mushy-middle mediocrity for the medium term.

 

[Nucker101]

Surrounding Hughes with a collection of players via trade and UFA is such a slow train wreck.

Theirs something special about growing with other people throughout the years and building a core and competing with them. You can’t replace that feeling or chemistry when it’s gone.

Millers gone. Demko, EP116 and BOESER are more than likely done being a core. I think doing whatever you can to make Hughes happy is a really really bad idea.

Is he an amazing player. Yes.
Do we need a player like him to compete? Yes.
Are we gonna do that over the next 2 years? No.

A real shrewd businessman would look at this as an opportunity to help fast track the next core.

Hughes has to be put on the market to fast track the next core and get pics and prospects.

It’s a no brainer at this point.

Hate that this is most likely true

Disagree that you move him now. Even if you wanna be pessimistic and think the Canucks have like a 15-20% chance of extending him, I’d hold onto him until around Dec 2026/Jan 2027 and if he stil won’t re-sign then deal him.

He’s the best dman on the planet, arguably a top 3 player in the entire league. So yeah I’d rather gamble even with 20% odds I can retain a top 3 player instead of throwing in the towel now for a bigger return(he’s still going to get a huge return as a rental)

 

[Bobby9]

Hate that this is most likely true

Disagree that you move him now. Even if you wanna be pessimistic and think the Canucks have like a 15-20% chance of extending him, I’d hold onto him until around Dec 2026/Jan 2027 and if he stil won’t re-sign then deal him.

He’s the best dman on the planet, arguably a top 3 player in the entire league. So yeah I’d rather gamble even with 20% odds I can retain a top 3 player instead of throwing in the towel now for a bigger return(he’s still going to get a huge return as a rental)

The best dman on a bad team is just that.

We want the best dman on a wining team. He wont be that here. Trading him with term gets us the best return.

 

[Nick Lang]

Does anyone on 650 at 6am PST actually know anything?

No, those guys are idiots. They don't know anything we don't and their reporting and coverage ability is complete dogshit. This board is twice as knowledgeable and analytical as those clowns. I don't trust anything they say unless it's a direct quote.

No. This is proof that last year was a PDO-powered mirage. That is not what they are and they are not close to contending.

Hughes is going to leave and they don't believe in Petey. Might as well start the rebuild now and pray for Mckenna/Dupont.

It's very hard to be a contender in the NHL. Besides good management you also need a lot of luck. You're likely right in your prognosis but we both know they are not going to rebuild now. That's no fun ... at least they can string along hope this way, just look at the start of this year. Otherwise you're looking at some very lean years ahead.

There are a lot of contrasting goals as well. Hockey wise a proper rebuild is usually theoretically correct but staying the course is more engaging for fans and more profitable and exciting for owners and management. It's a game after all and human nature is likely to think the impossible is possible.

 

[I am toxic]

I almost hope this is true just to see whose opinion changes based on the Sedins’ credibility.

This is like Eichel/Hodgson pt 2. Clearly something is bothering EP and management/coaching telling him it is not an injury doesn't help anyone, and is actually making it worse. Love the Sedins but they were also the leaders here during the CH situation.

People should understand what the twins faced when they entered the league a quarter century ago, the game was different. And if people knew what happened with one of the twins later in their career. It's understandable that they - frankly - can't understand how insidious tendinitis is.

The more you play through that pain, the more damage to the tendons result. The opposite of what they faced. And of course they have a bit of a blind spot as well, and I will leave it at that, those who know what I am talking about know

I can respect the twins and what they have gone through, and also realize that the lessons they learned are the wrong ones for what is going on with Petey

 

[JT Milker]

People should understand what the twins faced when they entered the league a quarter century ago, the game was different. And if people knew what happened with one of the twins later in their career. It's understandable that they - frankly - can't understand how insidious tendinitis is.

The more you play through that pain, the more damage to the tendons result. The opposite of what they faced. And of course they have a bit of a blind spot as well, and I will leave it at that, those who know what I am talking about know

I can respect the twins and what they have gone through, and also realize that the lessons they learned are the wrong ones for what is going on with Petey

This is pure conjecture.

 

[bossram]

It's very hard to be a contender in the NHL. Besides good management you also need a lot of luck. You're likely right in your prognosis but we both know they are not going to rebuild now. That's no fun ... at least they can string along hope this way, just look at the start of this year. Otherwise you're looking at some very lean years ahead.

There are a lot of contrasting goals as well. Hockey wise a proper rebuild is usually theoretically correct but staying the course is more engaging for fans and more profitable and exciting for owners and management. It's a game after all and human nature is likely to think the impossible is possible.

I know it's not going to happen. All Aqua cares about is getting two home playoff dates and an extra ~$6M in his pocket. That's it. They are never going to be a real contender with him as owner.

JR/Allvin will continue the plan of putting together a vaguely competitive team that has no real hope of winning it all. Same as it ever was.