Very interesting that you took an uninformed shot at Atlanta, then just (cough) randomly listed those three players.
"I'm not racist... But"
What is there to not believe about it? Is it so unbelievable that the league would actually conduct market research of their own, evaluate the plans the various Atlanta groups have, and determined for themselves that it may actually work this time around?
Not sure if the NHL is doing market research. It's really contacting Fertittia in Houston about his interest, unless there is another group that will follow what the 2 ATL groups are planning which is building another arena outside of Harris county. NHL would be more vetting the ownership groups. They see ATL and HOU as large metro markets.
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No, you got it wrong. They can't possibly like hockey. Any other sport, yes, but the people of Atlanta specifically will not be able to understand or appreciate hockey. How else are people like the OP supposed to feel special if *anyone* can like their favorite sport?There is absolutely no way this happens.
Two big, local examples to show this:
1) The Atlanta Braves/Battery - After seeing what happened with the Atlanta Braves and the Battery, the entire sports world realized that the model to printing money going forward was to use an arena/ballpark as the anchor to a mixed-use development in the suburbs.
Annual Truist Park and Battery Atlanta report shows growth exceeding all expectations | Cobb County Georgia
Braves Stadium and Battery Atlanta complex continue to surpass projections
2) Atlanta United - For all intents and purposes, soccer had no history in Atlanta. Yeah we had the Chiefs (hardly anyone alive saw them play or remembers them) and we had the Silverbacks (which weren't really a big deal). Regardless, a new team coming to the city excited fans and they showed up in droves, and continue to do so. Since their founding, they have led the MLS in attendance every year and own dozens and dozens of attendance records.
Now, why does that matter for Anson or Krause's pitch?
First, they're wanting to put their mixed-use developments in the middle of the highest concentration of wealth and disposable income in the entire state. Of the 10 richest cities in Georgia, 4 are 10 or less than 10 minutes away of the arena and another 2 are 15 minutes away from the arena, no matter where it ends up.
Second, Atlanta fans have shown they'll support a new team even if they don't have a history/affinity for the sport. It doesn't stop there, however, because both arena locations are in the middle of a Thrashers season ticket holders heat map. In other words, they're bringing the arena/team to their previous customers.
Absolutely no way they lose money or fail going forward. That is going to be THE place to be on game night.
The thing about dumb people is that’s how you determine who is smart.
Oh there are dumb smart people. One of them even owns a big social media platform.
There is absolutely no way this happens.
Two big, local examples to show this:
1) The Atlanta Braves/Battery - After seeing what happened with the Atlanta Braves and the Battery, the entire sports world realized that the model to printing money going forward was to use an arena/ballpark as the anchor to a mixed-use development in the suburbs.
Annual Truist Park and Battery Atlanta report shows growth exceeding all expectations | Cobb County Georgia
Braves Stadium and Battery Atlanta complex continue to surpass projections
2) Atlanta United - For all intents and purposes, soccer had no history in Atlanta. Yeah we had the Chiefs (hardly anyone alive saw them play or remembers them) and we had the Silverbacks (which weren't really a big deal). Regardless, a new team coming to the city excited fans and they showed up in droves, and continue to do so. Since their founding, they have led the MLS in attendance every year and own dozens and dozens of attendance records.
Now, why does that matter for Anson or Krause's pitch?
First, they're wanting to put their mixed-use developments in the middle of the highest concentration of wealth and disposable income in the entire state. Of the 10 richest cities in Georgia, 4 are 10 or less than 10 minutes away of the arena and another 2 are 15 minutes away from the arena, no matter where it ends up.
Second, Atlanta fans have shown they'll support a new team even if they don't have a history/affinity for the sport. It doesn't stop there, however, because both arena locations are in the middle of a Thrashers season ticket holders heat map. In other words, they're bringing the arena/team to their previous customers.
Absolutely no way they lose money or fail going forward. That is going to be THE place to be on game night.
I can tell you that both Krause and Carter here have conducted their own market research to determine where the fans live and a decent idea of how much interest exists in the market. I would expect nothing less than for the league to check their work.
I would argue that NHL teams have been on notice since Seattle started that another round is coming soon. The owners are the governors after all, and even if they don't talk about everything discussed at those meetings with the press, they absolutely put their front office staff on notice. The people who are truly on notice now that it's happening are the fans.
I don't think it's as much about limiting fan potential as it is about mitigating risk. We've seen two swings downtown, and two misses. People point to attendance and say "that's the reason, the market sucks", when they really don't know what they're talking about.
I’m with you, this is a much better plan that’s out there for Atlanta. Being out in the suburbs sounds confusing for someone who is unfamiliar (of which I am included, I’ve never been to Atlanta, only been to Georgia once in fact), but I feel like this follows a template similar to Anaheim, removed from the core of the market, but in a spot that makes sense.There is absolutely no way this happens.
Two big, local examples to show this:
1) The Atlanta Braves/Battery - After seeing what happened with the Atlanta Braves and the Battery, the entire sports world realized that the model to printing money going forward was to use an arena/ballpark as the anchor to a mixed-use development in the suburbs.
Annual Truist Park and Battery Atlanta report shows growth exceeding all expectations | Cobb County Georgia
Braves Stadium and Battery Atlanta complex continue to surpass projections
2) Atlanta United - For all intents and purposes, soccer had no history in Atlanta. Yeah we had the Chiefs (hardly anyone alive saw them play or remembers them) and we had the Silverbacks (which weren't really a big deal). Regardless, a new team coming to the city excited fans and they showed up in droves, and continue to do so. Since their founding, they have led the MLS in attendance every year and own dozens and dozens of attendance records.
Now, why does that matter for Anson or Krause's pitch?
First, they're wanting to put their mixed-use developments in the middle of the highest concentration of wealth and disposable income in the entire state. Of the 10 richest cities in Georgia, 4 are 10 or less than 10 minutes away of the arena and another 2 are 15 minutes away from the arena, no matter where it ends up.
Second, Atlanta fans have shown they'll support a new team even if they don't have a history/affinity for the sport. It doesn't stop there, however, because both arena locations are in the middle of a Thrashers season ticket holders heat map. In other words, they're bringing the arena/team to their previous customers.
Absolutely no way they lose money or fail going forward. That is going to be THE place to be on game night.
Hmmmmm. It's almost as if Atlanta and Ottawa are -- and hear me out here -- two different metro areas with two uniquely different demographic mixes and cultures.
I think another thing they need to leverage with a new location, and I cannot emphasize this enough, is to find a way to make NHLATL a part of the "casual conversation." Coaches' shows in highly frequented areas near Forsyth County or Alpharetta (depending on which bid prevails), etc. I know "water cooler talk" is an outmoded/outdated concept but basically the equivalent of that...make the sight of Atlanta hockey figures a familar sight rather than "who are these people?"
I have to agree, but the Braves were having attendance issues for some time. The move to the suburbs although sports teams period (not just hockey) should be downtown. I support the Alpharetta group more because of this. Forsyth is just so far, although ultimately whatever gets the NHL back in Atlanta is fine.
Here's the thing: The Phoenix Coyotes moved to the suburbs. They wanted a hockey only arena. And now they're gone. Sports in the suburbs is a bad long term goal. Ask the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Oh absolutely. I still remember the Thrashers going on a win or lose streak, and yet nary a syllable about the team was mentioned on 640 WGST. I remember the one billboard in town was at the Brookwood Interchange., and nowhere else. The NHL in Atlanta was almost one of the best-kept secrets in the city, and that's pretty damn depressing.
While I understand where you're coming from, please refer back to: No one wants to go downtown, at all, ever, period.
