Prospect Info: NHL Entry Draft Discussion Thread - First Round Tuesday October 6th
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Pretty easy to call it when you're quoting yourself.
If you read the last couple pages that's exactly what I said would happen.
After last season I didn't like that Lapierre only scored 2 goals despite his injury issues. However his Hlinka and start to the season are pretty impressive.
I have no idea where he should be ranked at this point.
I have no idea where he should be ranked at this point.
I don't understand why people think Mercer doesn't have a high upside.
Corey Pronman has him ranked 12 in his draft rankings and states "He has high-end skill with the soft hands and creativity to beat a lot of defenders."
I've seen Mercer play a handful of times and if he's there at 15 I'd love for the leafs to grab him.
Corey Pronman has him ranked 12 in his draft rankings and states "He has high-end skill with the soft hands and creativity to beat a lot of defenders."
I've seen Mercer play a handful of times and if he's there at 15 I'd love for the leafs to grab him.
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the people talking in absolutes about Schneider are hilarious. Youtube clips have made fans even more over confident in their "scouting" abilities.
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I was going to say the same thing for around here, but the opposite...I mostly see a lot of people who have probably not watched a junior game all year who are suddenly experts on why Schneider is not a good pick, and experts on why other players they've also never seen will be much better players.
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It's exactly this. Let's be honest, people here aren't spending their year watching junior games all across the country (and beyond) and being amateur scouts from their basement. Unless it's your OHL team or something you frequently follow/watch...you have a good opinion on only that player. I won't pretend to know these guys inside and out. I look at who's supposed to, or could potentially be in our range (Schneider, Guhle,Jarvis,Mercer, Quinn,Askarov,Zary,Lapierre,Holloway,Amirov) and I watch clip after clip of them. Their junior clips, their international clips...and then read what the experts have to say. And to the best of my abilities I put it all together to form my own opinion on these prospects listed above. Unless we have professional scouts hiding in here, that's what we all do. To say someone is wrong for watching clips but you're right for....watching clips?
seems a little wonky to me. You hit the nail on the head here my friendNikolai Khabibulin confident Yaroslav Askarov will be franchise goalie: 'He's got all the tools' - TSN.ca
Nikolai Khabibulin, the first Russian goalie to win the Stanley Cup, is confident Yaroslav Askarov will one day be a star in the National Hockey League.
"If he keeps developing there's a pretty high chance of that," said Khabibulin, who is the goalie coach for Russia's national junior team. "For this guy, the sky's the limit because he's got all the tools. Also, he is headstrong and very driven. He doesn't like to lose. He always tries to get better and better and better."
Askarov is expected to be the first goalie selected in Tuesday's NHL draft with TSN director of scouting Craig Button projecting him to be picked No. 11 by the Nashville Predators.
"He has the triad of skills necessary to dominate," Button said, "the sense, his use of size to close down the net and his outstanding quickness both in his movement and in his mind. I see him as an elite franchise goalie in the mould of Carey Price and he's the best goalie I've seen entering the draft since Carey Price was selected in 2005."
Price was the last goalie to be picked in the top 10 going fifth overall to Montreal. Since then Jonathan Bernier (2006 to the Los Angeles Kings) and Jack Campbell (2010 to the Dallas Stars) have been the highest goalies picked with both going 11th overall.
During a Zoom interview with TSN from his home in Yekaterinburg, Russia this week, Khabibulin explained why Askarov reminds him of Tampa Bay's Andrei Vasilevskiy, who currently holds the distinction of being the top Russian-born goalie selected in the NHL draft (19th overall in 2012). Khabibulin also offered an assessment of how Askarov is looking early in the KHL season.
Nikolai Khabibulin, the first Russian goalie to win the Stanley Cup, is confident Yaroslav Askarov will one day be a star in the National Hockey League.
"If he keeps developing there's a pretty high chance of that," said Khabibulin, who is the goalie coach for Russia's national junior team. "For this guy, the sky's the limit because he's got all the tools. Also, he is headstrong and very driven. He doesn't like to lose. He always tries to get better and better and better."
Askarov is expected to be the first goalie selected in Tuesday's NHL draft with TSN director of scouting Craig Button projecting him to be picked No. 11 by the Nashville Predators.
"He has the triad of skills necessary to dominate," Button said, "the sense, his use of size to close down the net and his outstanding quickness both in his movement and in his mind. I see him as an elite franchise goalie in the mould of Carey Price and he's the best goalie I've seen entering the draft since Carey Price was selected in 2005."
Price was the last goalie to be picked in the top 10 going fifth overall to Montreal. Since then Jonathan Bernier (2006 to the Los Angeles Kings) and Jack Campbell (2010 to the Dallas Stars) have been the highest goalies picked with both going 11th overall.
During a Zoom interview with TSN from his home in Yekaterinburg, Russia this week, Khabibulin explained why Askarov reminds him of Tampa Bay's Andrei Vasilevskiy, who currently holds the distinction of being the top Russian-born goalie selected in the NHL draft (19th overall in 2012). Khabibulin also offered an assessment of how Askarov is looking early in the KHL season.
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LOL. You get used to it. It's the same every year. It's part of the fun.......overconfidence and definitive statements!
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The good news is, as of this moment, the Leafs still have a 1st round pick.
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Unless the goalie falls in their laps shouldn’t they be drafting D in the first round?15th as I've said for a few months now...
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So you think because you read a Button scouting report you know more than us?
It's not even like people here don't think Schneider could be a good player, most of us "experts" actually believe there could be something there. The problem with him is he's ranked far too early for what his skillset actually brings.
His skating is average at the WHL level. His puck skills are average at the WHL level. He throws too many pucks up the boards instead of making the breakout pass that's essential for an NHL defenseman today. Sure he's good defensively at times, but the guy gets blown by on a game to game basis when players realized they can just go around him, especially high end picks that he's going to see in the NHL in hopefully a few years. He's a fine defenseman, but if he doesnt take major steps (one of the oldest in the draft too) in the next few years he's not going to be able to translate his skillset into a NHL player.
The people that want him at 15 either ignore these things because "Leafs need a RHD and he's big and physical" or they read a scouting report that told them the opposite of what I described above because Button likes to get clicks.
I think he's a decent project if you can speed him up and work HEAVY on his puck skills, but at 15 there (imo at least) are 32 guys that would be better bets.
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The problem is that defense in this draft other than Drysdale and Sanderson not only lack surefire top-4/top-pair upside, but most of them need to essentially overhaul parts of their game to make it to the NHL.
Imo at 15 you're reaching on every defenseman, but I'd trade down and pick up any of these guys if we're 100% going defense, no other options regardless:
1. Wallinder
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2. Niemela/Guhle/Schneider/Grans/Jurmo
final prediction before the draft
leafs pick mercer at 15th
Bold prediction:
leafs move down and pick Wallinder
leafs pick mercer at 15th
Bold prediction:
leafs move down and pick Wallinder
I'm fine with Guhle. You'll never see a 6'3 elite skating shutdown D-Man last this far into the draft in most years. My favourite thing about Guhle is no matter where he plays he always ends up on the top pair, and he dominates his opponents. WHC-17, Hlinka, PA Raiders etc.
Kaiden got 12 more points than Brendan did in his draft year, and this year Brendan was on pace for 30 points in the NHL as a 22 year old on a Ducks team where the leading scorer had 43 points. If Kaiden can put up 30 points as a 22 year old while bringing what he does defensively you're laughing. At that point he probably maxes out as a 40-60 point guy that is elite defensively which would put him in my top 10 quite easily. This is without even acknowledging that he's the fittest guy in the draft and will likely play 25 min a night in the NHL all while being super physical.
To me this is a high reward prospect. There are tons of small wingers that people call high risk high reward, but at the end of the day the high reward is a 60 point 1 dimensional winger. I'd rather my reward to be a top pairing shutdown guy that skates like the wind, and will make the game miserable for other teams forwards.
If Jarvis, Askarov or any of the so called top 13 picks do not fall into our lap, then we should trade down and get an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick and draft Wallinder. There are few guys that can skate like him at 6’ 4” and according to the hockey news he is being compared to Hedman as far as what he could optimally turn out to be. Yes I know this is a stretch. But with the resources and the developing system that the Leafs have, this player might turn out to be one of the best D in this draft. I realize there are questions about his defensive play and awareness but those things can be ironed out. With the extra pick the Leafs can pick one of the many skilled but flawed in some way players that this draft seems to be full with.
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I say we pick O'Rourke, people flip cause "soo" then within a year everyones realizing how smart a pick it was
O'Rourke will be one of the top D from the draft
O'Rourke will be one of the top D from the draft
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In all likelihood they’ll continue to pick between 15-20 for the foreseeable future, so they’ll have to draft D at some point in that range.
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Nope. Nice strawman lol. Not gonna bother with the rest of your boring novel. If you want to cosplay as a scout, by all means, I just think it's funny.
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