Prospect Info: NHL Entry Draft Discussion Thread - First Round Tuesday October 6th

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Maplebeasts

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I don't understand why people think Mercer doesn't have a high upside.

Corey Pronman has him ranked 12 in his draft rankings and states "He has high-end skill with the soft hands and creativity to beat a lot of defenders."

I've seen Mercer play a handful of times and if he's there at 15 I'd love for the leafs to grab him.
They probably think that because he's never been great on the international level. He has good hands, a nice shot, and solid skating though and was at about 1.5 ppg last season. Add his above average hockey IQ and I see a potential first line forward.
 
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At 15? Hell no. That value would be horrendous
No either at 44 or in a trade down. I'd take either him or Wallinder at 20 or later. Not at 15 though, then yes, poor value.

I just believe O'Rourke does end up being one of our picks if he's there.

Same goes for Isaak Phillips later.
 
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My favourite late-round prospect in the draft and the guy I think is the next Anthony Cirelli type prospect:

Tanner Dickinson

This kid has stood out EVERY time I watched him play for his tools, I just cannot take my eyes off his game. I really believe he will end up being a really good NHL player. Have him in my top 90.
 
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No either at 44 or in a trade down. I'd take either him or Wallinder at 20 or later. Not at 15 though, then yes, poor value.

I just believe O'Rourke does end up being one of our picks if he's there.

Same goes for Isaak Phillips later.
O'Rourke isn't my cup of tea but we're in agreement with Wallinder. He's raw but has definite top pairing potential if you're willing to give him 2-3 years. He has probably the second best offensive tools of any dman in the draft, being an elite skater who's big with soft hands and a powerful writer. Only big issue I see is his defensive IQ. He has a tendency to get lost and abandon his assignments, but I think that could easily be ironed out of him.
 

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O'Rourke isn't my cup of tea but we're in agreement with Wallinder. He's raw but has definite top pairing potential if you're willing to give him 2-3 years. He has probably the second best offensive tools of any dman in the draft, being an elite skater who's big with soft hands and a powerful writer. Only big issue I see is his defensive IQ. He has a tendency to get lost and abandon his assignments, but I think that could easily be ironed out of him.
That's fair, I just think he's a really smart defender and essentially a lock to be a top 4 dman, likely a good #3 who can compliment on a top pair IMO.

Totally on Wallinder, he needs some time but I could see him being quite impactful with time. I think he will need a solid defensive partner at the NHL level though, at least at first.
 
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What would everyone's thoughts be if we took Marat Khusnutdinov at 15?
I would try and trade back a bit first. But he's one of my favourite prospects that's ranked out of the top 15. He's a great skater and has awesome vision and playmaking abilities. He's also imo one of the s,artist players in the draft in the offensive zone. I'd have absolutely zero problem if he's the guy, but seeing he likely will be available into at least pick 20 the trade back would be preferable.
 
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I would try and trade back a bit first. But he's one of my favourite prospects that's ranked out of the top 15. He's a great skater and has awesome vision and playmaking abilities. He's also imo one of the s,artist players in the draft in the offensive zone. I'd have absolutely zero problem if he's the guy, but seeing he likely will be available into at least pick 20 the trade back would be preferable.
I could see him being a surprise top 10 pick a la Kravtsov personally

I think he's Aho-esque
 

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Blockbuster trade:

To Coyotes
Robertson
Sandin
Andersen
Johnsson
15 pick overall

To Leafs
Chychurun
Crouse
Dvorak
Kuemper
Merkley

I won’t even get into value. But do you not see a problem in trading our two best prospects and our first round pick??
 

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Unless the goalie falls in their laps shouldn’t they be drafting D in the first round?
As predictable and as boring as it may seem I am on the "pick the best player available" train...If he is deemed healthy by the Leafs medical staff I believe in rolling the dice at 15th pick on a player that was thought of as a top 6 player before the 19/20 season started...His start to this season shows no ill effects of his injury and he is definitely talented and is aware of his shot being sub par and is determined to be the best two way player he can be...Kinda like that attitude...The thing is he may not be available at 15 if another team rolls that same dice and takes him.
 

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As predictable and as boring as it may seem I am on the "pick the best player available" train...If he is deemed healthy by the Leafs medical staff I believe in rolling the dice at 15th pick on a player that was thought of as a top 6 player before the 19/20 season started...His start to this season shows no ill effects of his injury and he is definitely talented and is aware of his shot being sub par and is determined to be the best two way player he can be...Kinda like that attitude...The thing is he may not be available at 15 if another team rolls that same dice and takes him.
The beauty about the Q starting up early is that could possibly create fallers based on small sample sized hot streaks to start the season. If Lapierre goes before the Leafs pick, that will push someone down.
 

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In all likelihood they’ll continue to pick between 15-20 for the foreseeable future, so they’ll have to draft D at some point in that range.

I think they need to add D to their system and you only get high upside guys with high picks. Without opening a BPA can of worms, scouts are wrong on BPA outside of the top 10 or so most of the time so there is some flexibility in picking sometimes as the likelihood you actually get BPA right is not great. But taking a D at 15 if you have him at 20 can be too much of a leap. You trade down then and get him along with risk mitigation in the form of a 2nd or a 3rd. If 14-20 look really close this is where you trade down. What we think is the top 20 might not be what the scouting group does.

I hope if they don't deal the pick for D that it is either obvious who they take at 15, or it is obvious they can move down several spots.
 
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kb

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I think they need to add D to their system and you only get high upside guys with high picks. Without opening a BPA can of worms, scouts are wrong on BPA outside of the top 10 or so most of the time so there is some flexibility in picking sometimes as the likelyhood you get BPA right is not great. But taking a D at 15 if you have him at 20 is too much of a leap. You trade down then and get him along with risk mitigation in the form =of a 2nd or a 3rd.
The Leafs currently need C's far more than D at this point. They have literally nothing behind Kerfoot, who people can't wait to trade. The Leafs have Sandin, Liljegren, etc....in the pipeline. Brooks is the only C left who could play in the NHL in a pinch, and he's far from ideal.
 

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I'm fine with Guhle. You'll never see a 6'3 elite skating shutdown D-Man last this far into the draft in most years. My favourite thing about Guhle is no matter where he plays he always ends up on the top pair, and he dominates his opponents. WHC-17, Hlinka, PA Raiders etc.

Kaiden got 12 more points than Brendan did in his draft year, and this year Brendan was on pace for 30 points in the NHL as a 22 year old on a Ducks team where the leading scorer had 43 points. If Kaiden can put up 30 points as a 22 year old while bringing what he does defensively you're laughing. At that point he probably maxes out as a 40-60 point guy that is elite defensively which would put him in my top 10 quite easily. This is without even acknowledging that he's the fittest guy in the draft and will likely play 25 min a night in the NHL all while being super physical.

To me this is a high reward prospect. There are tons of small wingers that people call high risk high reward, but at the end of the day the high reward is a 60 point 1 dimensional winger. I'd rather my reward to be a top pairing shutdown guy that skates like the wind, and will make the game miserable for other teams forwards.

Ive seen stats that show he's not great defensively like people seem to claim.
 

nuck

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The Leafs currently need C's far more than D at this point. They have literally nothing behind Kerfoot, who people can't wait to trade. The Leafs have Sandin, Liljegren, etc....in the pipeline. Brooks is the only C left who could play in the NHL in a pinch, and he's far from ideal.

Agreed. What they don't need is more scoring wingers. Centers will always have value.
 
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