Is "dom at the athletic" 13 years old? I don't agree with Huberdeau either but try to compose yourself like an adult
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Is "dom at the athletic" 13 years old? I don't agree with Huberdeau either but try to compose yourself like an adult
The fact that Huberdeau is leading is pathetic. It's either Shesterkin or Matthews. The Oilers are storming back, depending on how well McDavid plays over the last 20ish games, he could very easily take it as well. But Huberdeau at #1 is honestly laughable.
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The guy that's 1 point behind Mcdavid for Art Ross and 25 points ahead of his next closest teammate is laughable? Funny how analytic crew runs with a narrative and then get mad if someone doesn't agree with them. If Huberdeau wins the Ross and still has that huge a gap on any of his teammates in points he's deserving as any.
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he's been pking all year. been very very good there.. he's def been a complete player this year.
Florida is first in the east. time for you all to recognize the facts. Most crap on the panthers, their prospects, their fans.... Many keep doing this over and over.
Of course any of the guys mentioned have a right to the award. But my god... Cats are first in the east. and huberdeau deserves all the credit in the world.
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Eye-test >>> Stat watching, also plays on a significantlyyyyyy more stacked team, and I can put enough emphasis on the word significant. Also the Hart trophy is for the MVP, I think a lot of people forget this, most valuable player to his team. Florida without Huberdeau is still easily a top 3 team in the Atlantic, the Rangers without Shesterkin might not make the playoffs. Edmonton without McDavid definitely doesn't make the playoffs. Leafs without Matthews are at best a wild card team.
His next closest teammate also only has 49 games played this year, but conveniently you left that part out. Huberdeau is unquestionably an elite player, but he is not more valuable to his team than Matthews/Shesterkin/McDavid are to their teams. Matthews has more than double his goals and is significantly better defensively and Shesterkin is putting on one of the greatest goaltending performances of all time. Those 2 should be leading the Hart vote by a mile.
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Why should Huberdeau get dinged because his teammates are missing games? You're also exaggerating the gap between Flordia and Toronto well stating your own opinion as fact. The Panthers would be a top 3 in the league without Hub and the leafs would be a fringe playoff team without Matthews? Sounds like a bunch of hypotheticals driven by your own bias.
Huberdeau is a great winger and theres no reason to tear him down but Barkov and Ekblad are the most important players on the Panthers IMO. I dont think this is that controversial to say right? Two elite two-way monsters at each position is great to have. Hubereau is certainly one of the best scoring wingers in the league but the most valuable player?
Matthews/Shesterkin/McDavid seem the Hart nominees to me right now.
Matthews/Shesterkin/McDavid seem the Hart nominees to me right now.
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Leafs have 7 players over 40 Points, Your argument goes against Matthews more than Hubs. Look at the players on the Leafs PP. Just because the Panthers have better goaltending and team D doesn't inflate Hubs numbers. The stacked part of the Panthers is their depth.
I said Panthers would be top 3 in the Atlantic without Huberdeau not the league. Leafs would be at best a WC team, they're barely up on Boston with Matthews having a career year and one of the best goal scoring years in recent history, surely that's worth more than just 2 points. He plays a far more valuable position, is a significantly better goal scorer and better defensively. Its weird because most hockey fans seem to agree with the idea that it should be Shesterkin/Matthews.
Asked honestly, if a Panthers fan had to give up one player right now......Barkov or Huberdeau....who would they choose?
Now ask that of any Leafs/Rangers fan of their favorite and any other player on the roster and guess the unanimous answer.
I pretty much think that thought experiment proves how silly it is to have Hubereau anywhere near a favorite
Pointing to the Leafs PP doesn't really help your point at all. We have the 4th fewest PP opportunities in the entire league with 160, Florida has the 2nd most PP opportunities in the league with 198
Even strength Goals - Matthews #1 with 32
Even strength points - Matthews/Hub tied for 3rd, with 54 with Matthews playing fewer games
Powerplay points - Huberdeau 28, Matthews 23
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Your skipping my point. You claim that Florida is some super stacked team compared to the Leafs and thats why Hubs cant win the Hart. The top 6 on the Leaf is arguably more stacked than the Panthers while the bottom 6 is better on the Panthers. Hubby's best line mate is Duclair or Bennet? Matthews is glued to Marner. I see no reason to discount Hub's point totals vs Matthews.
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It will come down to last stretch and nobody ends seasons better than McDavid
I'm not discounting his point totals, simply pointing out Matthews is far more valuable to Toronto, than Huberdeau is to Florida. Matthews has the same amount of ES points in fewer games played, 24 more goals scored overall, the difference in their point totals is literally the amount of PP opportunities they get and games played. The reason that was brought up was to compare their offensive production, clearly Matthews is superior in that aspect.
The main point is Florida is quite easily still a top team in the Atlantic without Huberdeau, the same cannot be said for Toronto without Matthews. This is the MVP trophy, on no planet is Huberdeau more valuable to his teams success than Matthews.
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I don’t know if I’d say it’s laughable, but it feels like relying solely on point totals rather than a deeper dive into things. Though that seems like most Hart voters anyway. It seems weird to vote for a player who hasn’t been the best player on his team though, even if the better player has missed some games
One thing I think might be working against McDavid though is the expectations. His season last year and start this year had people talking about 140 points. Even if he ends up with a decent lead in the Art Ross race, I wonder if voters will not be as willing to vote for him if it’s seen as just a “typical” McDavid season, even if he’s the best overall. Especially with how many other good seasons/story lines there are this year.
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He could easily put up 45+ points in this final stretch with the way he’s playing.
The way he’s playing right now it seems like he could explode for 4-5 points almost every game. He’s been almost somewhat unlucky in the last couple games for example he’s had Kane and others ring a few point blank setups off the bar.
Admittedly, he did have that mid season funk where the Oilers forgot how to play hockey under Tippett when they went 2-11-2. Under Woodcroft he’s been a two way beast and is heating up to close out the season.
I‘ve watched McDavid his entire career, and he’s in that ”I’m better than everyone else on the ice and I know it” type mode where he just dominates all over the ice.
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That‘s a good point, it all depends how this final stretch goes. The expectations will always be sky high for him, he’s the most talented player since Lemieux.
Shesty and Matthews are both having really good seasons. As is Huberdeau and Josi. No one is even talking about Drai either and he’s having a really good season himself.
I think the Hart race is wide open right now, it should be a fun finish. Several good candidates who all have their own good cases. Most wide open MVP race in a number of years in my view.
That team also has a top 5 defenseman, a top 5 center who is better than him, and incredible depth that’s allowing the team to score goals at a rate higher than anyone in 25 years. That’s not to mention he’s been giving up a lot defensively this year, and an unusual number of his points are secondary, which, on a team scoring as much as the Panthers, suggests he’s benefitting a bit from that high scoring team. Realistically, he shouldn’t even be a top 2 LW in Hart voting with the seasons Gaudreau and Kaprizov have had
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If that's the case then the Hart is still easily McDavids. Oilers are much worse without him than the Leafs are without Matthews.
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This site is so cringe at times. Why is it necessary to tear down Huberdeau’s season as if he isn’t having a fantastic one to try and make your argument?
Personally, I give it to Shesterkin if the season ended today. McDavid is always a huge threat, but since he just won it and there isn’t a juicy narrative to give him what he should win routinely, I only see him grabbing it in the last quarter of the season if he gets to about 125 points and keeps the Oilers inside the top 6.
He’s already building his case by scoring 5 times, putting up 8 points, and scoring 3 game winners during the Oilers current 4 game winning streak.
This list is fine and they all have their own cases.
But damn, to act like Huberdeau is some scrub candidate because the race is pretty open this year?
Some of you are no better than these writers you jump on the first chance you can get.
Personally, I give it to Shesterkin if the season ended today. McDavid is always a huge threat, but since he just won it and there isn’t a juicy narrative to give him what he should win routinely, I only see him grabbing it in the last quarter of the season if he gets to about 125 points and keeps the Oilers inside the top 6.
He’s already building his case by scoring 5 times, putting up 8 points, and scoring 3 game winners during the Oilers current 4 game winning streak.
This list is fine and they all have their own cases.
But damn, to act like Huberdeau is some scrub candidate because the race is pretty open this year?
Some of you are no better than these writers you jump on the first chance you can get.
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Great post, agreed with pretty much everything you said.
Completely agree about this being a wide open field, one of the most wide open Hart races in recent memory. There’s probably 3-5 or more players right now who could win it down the stretch.
Speaks to the quality of players in the Speed & Skill Era we’re currently in.
