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Darren McCord said:
Josi is about to have the best season by a defensemen in the last 30 years.

It’s one for the ages.

And there’s an award for being good at offense. It’s called the art Ross. Take it and be happy with it.
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Ha ha, good comeback. But then there's no one eligible for the Hart. And D-men can win the Art Ross. Very difficult but they are not excluded. So your argument isn't valid but certainly witty.

As for Josi: Sure, I can't argue what he's doing. But if I had to pick between what is shaping up to be the highest goals per game from anyone, including the Great 8, since a guy named Mario some 35 years ago. And the fact Matthews is on the verge of an unofficial 50 goals in 50 games, plus he's just a beast now. Scary level stuff. Matthews gets the vote.

Josi can enjoy his unanimous Norris and getting serious consideration (and probably a few votes) for the Hart.
 
kevsh said:
Ha ha, good comeback. But then there's no one eligible for the Hart. And D-men can win the Art Ross. Very difficult but they are not excluded. So your argument isn't valid but certainly witty.

As for Josi: Sure, I can't argue what he's doing. But if I had to pick between what is shaping up to be the highest goals per game from anyone, including the Great 8, since a guy named Mario some 35 years ago. And the fact Matthews is on the verge of an unofficial 50 goals in 50 games, plus he's just a beast now. Scary level stuff. Matthews gets the vote.

Josi can enjoy his unanimous Norris and getting serious consideration (and probably a few votes) for the Hart.
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There’s only ever been one d-man who won the Art Ross (and no Rocket winners). Since he was the GOAT until Gretzky came along, I think it’s a pretty valid argument.
 
Maplebeasts said:
In Matthews' last 25 games he has an .810 save percentage 5 on 5. Over that stretch his Gf% at 5 on 5 STILL breaks 60%.

edit: I see someone put up the tweet like 2 pages ago. My b. Super cool anyways.
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Here’s the top On Ice SV% since Feb 15th among forwards w/ minimum of 200 minutes of TOI.

All Strengths

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The Podium said:
These oiler fans can’t help themselves :laugh: they’re having a collective meltdown that it looks like their boys aren’t going to win the Hart.
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There is zero difference between the most vocal leaf and oiler fans in this thread. None whatsoever.
 
McShogun99 said:
Expectations are so high for Mcdavid that he’ll finish this season with 125-130 points and be 10ish points ahead of the next non Oiler and not even be considered a top 3 candidate for the Hart this year.

Matthews will finish with 60-65 goals and be the favorite.

Huberdeau is having one of the best LW seasons in NHL history.

Josi is having one of the best offensive D points since the early 90’s.

Shesterkin is having a prime Hasek like season.

This season is crazy and fun to watch everything unfold.
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You mention Shesterkin but not Gaudreau. Sad.
 
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vipera1960 said:
There’s only ever been one d-man who won the Art Ross (and no Rocket winners). Since he was the GOAT until Gretzky came along, I think it’s a pretty valid argument.
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He is arguably GOAT even now. No defenseman will win Art Ross anymore. If someone is downplaying defenseman for not winning Art Ross, maybe they shouldn't choose some random good goal scorer, if he doesn't win Art Ross either.
 
The reason I think Matthews will win is because I think he's the only name on everyone's list. That and Toronto is a huge hockey market. That's not to say there aren't a few other deserving names that could win too. But I think as of now its Matthews to lose.
 
I must have been really stupid to think this was a trophy for the most valuable player for his team on a 82-game stretch. Glad you guys helped me to learn it's actually a trophy for the best 50-game stretch during the season.
 
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Tofveve said:
You mention Shesterkin but not Gaudreau. Sad.
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Gaudreau won’t be too 3 in voting. It will be a combination of Matthews, Mcdavid, Josi, Shesterkin and Huberdeau. The 2 things he has going against him is playing out West and Huberdeau having a better season at the same position.
 
zeroG said:
surprising? leading scorer - and pushing mcdavid nightly for the art ross - on a historically good offensive team that's fighting for the president's trophy? plays in all situations - among leaders in power play points and shorthanded goals. sets physical tone as well on many nights. +30.

yeah, that's a head-scratcher.
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zeroG said:
who is this joker?

i don't follow these randos that have their own (untested/unproven) models.

the numbers should speak for themselves.
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"goal share" is not a model it's literally +/-. The numbers say the Panthers have a better goal differential when he's not on the ice. Now part of that is because their other lines are so good, but I still think it's something worth mentioning when considering an award like this.
 
If Josi breaks 100 points he should win. Otherwise, Matthews. Third place will go to one of Gaudreau, Shesterkin or Kaprizov.
 
For a non-forward to win they have to dominate their position imo. Makar isn't that far behind Josi, I actually think he has a good case for the Norris himself.
 
TheDoldrums said:
"goal share" is not a model it's literally +/-. The numbers say the Panthers have a better goal differential when he's not on the ice. Now part of that is because their other lines are so good, but I still think it's something worth mentioning when considering an award like this.
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huberdeau is #11 in the league in +/-. he's a +32 after last night.

there are 2 panthers above him in that list.

so, no - it's not that.

and this guy's thing is huberdeau doesn't play D. i think the numbers speak for themselves. for some reason, this guy's got an axe to grind.

what explains this particular statistical anomaly (in his eyes) then? i'm still not sure exactly as i don't fully understand this idea and i can't seem to get to the same numbers on natural stat trick or find any discussion of this set of percentages. if anyone can point me to them, i'd love to look at them for, say, sasha barkov and some of the other line drivers on the panthers.

that said, there are some obvious explanations that could explain the fact that his line or he himself has less of a share 5v5. one of them is matchups, of course. i suppose if we added in QOC that might help complete the picture.

but we can't forget that this team has a lot of guys putting up big time points and some of them don't play a ton of PP. think duke, verhaeghe, bennett, marchment. also consider, like i said earlier, that huberdeau is among the league leaders in both PP and SH points and you can maybe get an idea that this particular axe the guy's grinding may be rather misleading.

again, the guy's pushing for the league lead in scoring on a historically good offensive team that is challenging for the PT.

when you watch him play, it's clear that he's a leader on the team - he's just about always on and involved in the play and he isn't afraid to mix it up and throw the body.

how could he not be in the MVP conversation???
 
Josi has a shot at 100 points as a dman. How good are the preds without him? Should just give it to him now
 
tarheelhockey said:
I feel like this is the most difficult season to choose a winner in a long, long time. Especially if we exclude seasons where it was difficult for the wrong reasons.

McDavid, Matthews, Josi, Shesterkin, Gaudreau all have a very legitimate case.
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There’s been a lot of tremendous individual achievements but I don’t think this is a close race. The hardest thing to do in this league is to score goals. And you simply cannot argue with the rate Matthews is putting the puck in the net right now.

I agree that the only way he loses is if enough Leaf hating reporters (they exist) put him 4th or 5th on their ballots.
 
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