mrmovies779
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That Fox ranking is a crime against humanity
NHL.com TOP 20 Defenseman
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SillyRabbit
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SillyRabbit
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Thanks.
I think the easiest way to fix this list is to swap Hedman and Fox and drop Forsling 2-3 spots.
10-20 is a lot more debatable than the top 10 but most of the expected names are at least there.
Aladyyn
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Fox and Dahlin way too low, Hedman way too high, Hughes too high (why does it feel like any other player would be asked to prove the season wasn't a fluke but Hughes just gets anointed? Is it just because people don't want to deal with Canucks fans?)
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That’s why these trophies are awarded annually there bud
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Well as you can see his actual goal differential is also excellent, as is his PP production and overall point production.
Only Brodin, and Lindholm (who has played in front of a goaltending duo that has something like +120 GSAx the last 2 years) have better actual goal results than hamilton over the lst 2 years
Do you believe Jonas Siegenthaler is a better guy to be paired with than:
Carlo/McAvoy
Roman Josi
Middleton/Brodin
Brock Faber
Artem Zub
Vince Dunn
I will give you Lindell who's been paired with Hakanpaa
Hamilton also has a 55% xGoals share in the playoffs.
Also Hamilton has one of the better shots in hockey among dman, to the point where there were polls about whether he has a better shot than bouchard (not that I agree but you get the point) His expected goal metrics would likely be undercounted, not overcounted
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Eh, even as a Wings fan this season will be telling.
He has mildly more support this season than before, so his horrific usage should be at least partially helped
There were certain points last season he was just bad. Mostly near the start
Hedman is not a top 3 D anymore
Pretty decent list as is the NHL.com one really.
Some people are going to gripe about placement s a bit as some guys have career like years and others ahd down years but overall a good list.
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Pietrangelo is older now and slowed a little, but I still pick him for my team with a focus on this season only ahead of many of those guys.
i feel like Hedman is still riding that high of that bonkers playoff run he had, but dont feel like hes top 5
id move up Heiskanen and Fox up, i think Salvin should be top 10 too
id move up Heiskanen and Fox up, i think Salvin should be top 10 too
Voight
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Forsling quickly going from most underrated to most overrated.
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Nice to see Seider get some love. He's a workhorse who's only going to improve as the Wings roster gets better around him. Tough way to start his career, being dropped into the #1 role on a rebuilding team.
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Is Forsling gonna be the new Toews? The guy who goes from underrated to overrated very quickly?
Forsling over Fox and McAvoy? Lol
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How is saying they are at the bottom of the top 20 list of all D in the league showing a lack of respect? lol. Not everything has to be put into the context of the Leafs. Obviously Leafs fans would love any of them on the team.
He was the #1 defenseman on a Cup winner. Helped shutdown the best player in the world for most of the series AND scored some great goals…all while having a really solid season.
Sour grapes cause he’s higher than your boy is funny.
It’s top 20 defensemen, not top 20 defenders who’ll score the most points.
I still wouldn’t put him above McAvoy or Fox. I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve to be on this list, but over Fox and McAvoy who have both showed much more over a longer period?
It’s like saying Dennis Seidenberg was the 6th best defenseman in the entire NHL after the Boston 2011 Stanley cup just because he shutdown two Art Ross/Lindsay/Hart players at the time (both Sedins).
ManofSteel55
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Fair, but he still had a great season and had the best (+\-) iirc. I’m not saying I disagree, I just think the criteria for “best defensemen) is skewed toward point getters too often.
Fox is in Tier 1 without a doubt, how can you have heiskanen and dahlin over Fox i do not under stand
Hedman at 3 is the overrated part here. He’s still a great offensive #1 defenseman but the last few years I see him constantly get worked and torched by quicker forwards, especially in the playoffs. I wouldn’t have him top 10 let alone #3. Which is fine. He’s still really good but he’s lost a step and mobility. It happens even to all-timers. He’s not that guy anymore.
