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TLEH

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and have zero depth to put behind those guys. You are basically Vancouver.
But you are still building, and you do have depth beyond those guys. This organization has a lot of depth right now. Slaggert is an after thought to most due to some tough NCAA seasons, me somewhat included, but he has tools to contribute at the NHL level.

Hayes
Greene
EDM
Allan
Kaiser
Safonov
Rinzel
Phillips
Lardis
Dach
Misiak

Any of these guys could contribute at the NHL level. Pettersson is a unique player.
 

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But you are still building, and you do have depth beyond those guys. This organization has a lot of depth right now. Slaggert is an after thought to most due to some tough NCAA seasons, me somewhat included, but he has tools to contribute at the NHL level.

Hayes
Greene
EDM
Allan
Kaiser
Safonov
Rinzel
Phillips
Lardis
Dach
Misiak

Any of these guys could contribute at the NHL level. Pettersson is a unique player.
It's just way too much for Pettersson, it's essentially 4 1st rounders, and then you have to pay him 10mil+ for 8 years and you set your building back another 2 to 3 years. The guys you listed will be lucky to be bottom 6 players, bottom pairing Dmen.

Zero interest in doing that.

Stick to the process, sign a UFA or make a Eichel like trade when we are close to competing.
 
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It's just way too much for Pettersson, it's essentially 4 1st rounders, and then you have to pay him 10mil+ for 8 years and you set your building back another 2 to 3 years. The guys you listed will be lucky to be bottom 6 players, bottom pairing Dmen.

Zero interest in doing that.

Stick to the process, sign a UFA or make a Eichel like trade when we are close to competing.
Yeah... they are probably bottom 6 or mid to bottom pair guys, but the question was about system depth, so I listed depth.

If you make that deal and it works out, you still end up with Bedard and Pettersson down the middle for the next 6-10 years.

Nazar probably goes wing anyway, and atleast two of those names above ends up working out. All of a sudden your roster fills out pretty quick. I am not saying its not a lot to give up, it is, but guys like Pete don't get on the market at this age, like ever.
 

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To Chicago:
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-Elias Pettersson

To Vancouver:
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-2024 TBL 1st round pick
-2025 TOR 1st round pick
-Lukas Reichel
-Nazar/Moore
-Allan/Vlasic/EDM

That is absurd overpayment.

Pettersson is great player, but your crippling Hawks rebuild effort and ensure the Bedard era would be a couple of 1sts round losses and nothing more to show of it
 
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TLEH

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That is absurd overpayment.

Pettersson is great player, but your crippling Hawks rebuild effort and ensure the Bedard era would be a couple of 1sts round losses and nothing more to show of it
Allan/Vlasic/EDM is a throw in of either 4-6 D at best. Most likely in the 5 or 6 range due to offense.
Reichel is probably a 70-80 point guy in his prime. 25-50 guy. I love Reichel.
Not like Nazar/Moore are both instant hits. Moore has some IQ questions (in my opinion) and Nazar has a health ?. I think both obviously lean towards being successful NHLers, but its not like they are can't miss.
Two 1st that will likely fall between 18-28. Again, two decent bets at NHL players, but nothing is a given.

Still leaves you with 2 of Allan, Vlasic, EDM and 1 of Nazar/Moore, as well as all of our other depth and our own picks.

Guy scored 100 points last year in a bad situation. IQ off the charts. I think this guy could put it all together and he scores 130. He is special.
 

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Allan/Vlasic/EDM is a throw in of either 4-6 D at best. Most likely in the 5 or 6 range due to offense.
Reichel is probably a 70-80 point guy in his prime. 25-50 guy. I love Reichel.
Not like Nazar/Moore are both instant hits. Moore has some IQ questions (in my opinion) and Nazar has a health ?. I think both obviously lean towards being successful NHLers, but its not like they are can't miss.
Two 1st that will likely fall between 18-28. Again, two decent bets at NHL players, but nothing is a given.

Still leaves you with 2 of Allan, Vlasic, EDM and 1 of Nazar/Moore, as well as all of our other depth and our own picks.

Guy scored 100 points last year in a bad situation. IQ off the charts. I think this guy could put it all together and he scores 130. He is special.

No health concerns with Nazar... unless you didn't see him play recently.
 

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You need to watch more hockey. Mathews reminds me of Hossa without the puck.
That’s just silly. Matthews has decent defensive numbers because of his offense. … you can’t get scored on if you’re not in your zone.
Toronto media eats it up.
He will deliver a hit to an unsuspecting opponent periodically but usually just parks himself near the other teams D, able to disrupt a pass but generally he’s waiting for someone to get the puck to him and flip to offense.
 

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No way Pettersson puts up 130pts. That's pretty absurd. Only McDavid has done that since the 90s.
Kucherov put up 128 like 5 years ago in a league where scoring was much less.

Scoring is crazy right now. Draisaitl scored 128 last year. MacKinnon scored 111 and missed 11 games.
 

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Draisaitl yeah, I disagree on the other two.
EP has had 1 season above a point per game in his career. MacK hasn't had a season below a point per game since 2017, Kucherov, since 2016.

You can disagree all you want, but all of those facts tell me, he isn't coming close to 130pts.
 
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I think he has the talent to score 130 points. Elite IQ, great shot. Skinny but hockey strong.

Scored 100+ last year in a bad situation. We can agree to disagree but it’s all opinion being presented as a fact. Guys have made huge jumps all the time.
 
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Hawkaholic

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I think he has the talent to score 130 points. Elite IQ, great shot. Skinny but hockey strong.

Scored 100+ last year in a bad situation. We can agree to disagree but it’s all opinion being presented as a fact. Guys have made huge jumps all the time.
I'm not saying it's a fact that he won't score 130pts. I'm providing facts that support my opinion that he won't do it. Slight difference. Guys do make huge jumps, and Pettersson made his last year. He was in a bad situation, but great players put up a ton of points on bad teams all the time, doesn't mean if they were in a better situation they would score even more, sometimes, they score less.
 

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Kucherov put up 128 like 5 years ago in a league where scoring was much less.

Scoring is crazy right now. Draisaitl scored 128 last year. MacKinnon scored 111 and missed 11 games.
Lets hope the scoring remains up.
That’s just silly. Matthews has decent defensive numbers because of his offense. … you can’t get scored on if you’re not in your zone.
Toronto media eats it up.
He will deliver a hit to an unsuspecting opponent periodically but usually just parks himself near the other teams D, able to disrupt a pass but generally he’s waiting for someone to get the puck to him and flip to offense.
Of course, Mathews has the puck in the offensive zone most of the time. That's what you'd expect from all super-star offensive players, n'est-ce pas? He also is in the top 15 plus/minus players in the league and that accurately reflects his game. In fact, his scoring was slightly down last season but (unlike like many offensive stars) he is not anywhere close to being a liability when he doesn't put up the big numbers. He hounds the puck when he doesn't have it and uses his size and good stick effectively to get it back.
 
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If we get a legit top pairing super high upside and almost ready to go RD next year (say Levshunov), trading for an established young core piece like EP would be pretty good imo.

You're hoping one of your top prospects turns into as good as him, and its definitely not easy.

I'd be all for trading for EP or someone like Barzal, and my only untouchables are Bedard ofc, Korch and Nazar.
 

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I'd be all for trading for EP or someone like Barzal, and my only untouchables are Bedard ofc, Korch and Nazar.
That's pretty much where I'm at. For EP anyway.

Wouldn't mind Barzal, but I'd extend the untouchable list to at least include Moore if Barzal is the target. Moore will reach Barzal's level imo.
 
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