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BobbyJet said:
When one has no argument one stoops to insults. No surprise though considering where it comes from..... ON THE ICE, the greatest Hawks player to ever wear the uniform.
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Which is fine, but it's completely tone-deaf to still celebrate the guy as if he was some kind of great human or something.

It's not an insult, but you're obviously still living in the past, also. So it's ironic you talk about others doing so.

And argument to what? T/K got paid for 3 Cups and 2 CS trophies, and arguably the most dominant decade in the NHL going back to the 70's Canadians and 80's Oilers. They were basically underpaid for most of their careers for what they brought to the table. THAT is the argument for the T/K contracts.
 
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ChiHawks10 said:
Which is fine, but it's completely tone-deaf to still celebrate the guy as if he was some kind of great human or something.

It's not an insult, but you're obviously still living in the past, also. So it's ironic you talk about others doing so.

And argument to what? T/K got paid for 3 Cups and 2 CS trophies, and arguably the most dominant decade in the NHL going back to the 70's Canadians and 80's Oilers. They were basically underpaid for most of their careers for what they brought to the table. THAT is the argument for the T/K contracts.
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Say what you will but no one can take away Hull's accomplishments as a player. No one is celebrating anything off-ice. Quit making up shit to fit your agenda.
 
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These GMs are being beaten by Mathews agent to a crazy level.

Sure the T&K contracts hurt the future but cup wins, high achievement in playoffs and regular seasons, all was what their agent had. I don't get how Toronto has kept settling with Mathews having so little bargaining. Mathews should of been on a deal 3 more years anyway.
 
Wally1112pac said:
So MacKinnon signs an 8 year contract with a cap hit of 12.6 mil. MacKinnon is a playoff beast and has won a Cup. He goes 100k over over McDavid.

Matthews signs a 4 year extension with a cap hit of 13.25. Matthews is a playoff flop and has won a playoff round. He goes 625k over MacKinnon.

Something just doesn't add up here. I would take MacKinnon and his contract 100 times out of 100 and I bet over the next 5 years MacKinnon wins another Cup(s) and Matthews wins another playoff round(s).

I've never seen another Me First player like this before. Maybe Alexei Yashin.
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BobbyJet said:
The inflated contracts of Kane and Toews, followed a few years later by that of Seabs had a snowball effect that was a big factor to where the Hawks have found themselves since 2017. Of course, Stan's incompetence accelerated the downfall but I said it would happen at the time and it did. Queue the defenders of the K/T contracts.
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I think you missed the point of my original post.

The point was that MacKinnon committed to his team for 8 years after proving to his team that he can produce in the playoffs with a large body of work to look at. He also bumped up the cap for elite players just a touch.

Matthews resigned for half as long after proving to his team that he is a playoff failure with a large body of work to look at. He also bumped up the cap for elite players by quite a bit.

The Matthews "Me First" comment does not apply to Toews/Kane. After their rookie deals Toews/Kane signed 5 year contracts at 6.3 per (11.09% of the cap). 3 Cups and a Conn Smythe each would be won in that span. Than they committed to their team for 8 years. It was time to get paid.

After Matthews rookie deal he signed a year 5 contract at 11.634 mil (14.64% of the cap) In those 5 years he won a playoff round and lost in the first round in every other year. Now he signs a 4 year contract at 13.25 mil (15.87% of the cap)

Matthews took the leafs for a ride after his 1st contract. He just did it again after his 2nd and he's setting himself up to do it a 3rd time. MacKinnon, Toews and Kane didn't do that and they have all won the Cup(s)
 
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Callidusblackhawk said:
You say this and yet you're the one who keeps bringing up the Let's look forward
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Wally1112pac said:
I think you missed the point of my original post.

The point was that MacKinnon committed to his team for 8 years after proving to his team that he can produce in the playoffs with a large body of work to look at. He also bumped up the cap for elite players just a touch.

Matthews resigned for half as long after proving to his team that he is a playoff failure with a large body of work to look at. He also bumped up the cap for elite players by quite a bit.

The Matthews "Me First" comment does not apply to Toews/Kane. After their rookie deals Toews/Kane signed 5 year contracts at 6.3 per (11.09% of the cap). 3 Cups and a Conn Smythe each would be won in that span. Than they committed to their team for 8 years. It was time to get paid.

After Matthews rookie deal he signed a year 5 contract at 11.634 mil (14.64% of the cap) In those 5 years he won a playoff round and lost in the first round in every other year. Now he signs a 4 year contract at 13.25 mil (15.87% of the cap)

Matthews took the leafs for a ride after his 1st contract. He just did it again after his 2nd and he's setting himself up to do it a 3rd time. MacKinnon, Toews and Kane didn't do that and they have all won the Cup(s)
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The Leafs have too many holes defensively as well as inconsistent goalkeeping - their playoff woes in the past few years were easily predictable. So many hockey fans expect Mathews and Marner to carry the team on their backs and somehow lead a poor defensive team to a series win over better-balanced teams and it was always unlikely. Dubas made some very questionable moves last season and he lost his job as a result. It wasn't the fault of one or two players.

That said: Have the Leafs fallen into the trap of overpaying 2 or 3 stars and not building a team for the playoffs? Yes. Time will tell if they continue to build a RS team that entertains but a team that once again will fail miserably at crunch time.
 
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DisgruntledHawkFan said:
He's really good but overpaying an outside guy makes it really hard to get your guys to agree to team friendly deals. Tavares is a really good player but paying him market rate is what really hurt the Leafs imo.
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Bedard is getting a blank check regardless I’d imagine
 
BobbyJet said:
The Leafs have too many holes defensively as well as inconsistent goalkeeping - their playoff woes in the past few years were easily predictable. So many hockey fans expect Mathews and Marner to carry the team on their backs and somehow lead a poor defensive team to a series win over better-balanced teams and it was always unlikely. Dubas made some very questionable moves last season and he lost his job as a result. It wasn't the fault of one or two players.

That said: Have the Leafs fallen into the trap of overpaying 2 or 3 stars and not building a team for the playoffs? Yes. Time will tell if they continue to build a RS team that entertains but a team that once again will fail miserably at crunch time.
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You always called the Hawks weak defensively, with suspect goaltending. Toews and Kane put the team on their backs late in series, scored clutch goals, etc.

Matthews, nor Marner have done that, quite the opposite.
 
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Hawkaholic said:
You always called the Hawks weak defensively, with suspect goaltending. Toews and Kane put the team on their backs late in series, scored clutch goals, etc.

Matthews, nor Marner have done that, quite the opposite.
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It was a team win. Period.


Back to the present. The first three are probably deserved. The other two, not so much, IMO.

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Hawkaholic said:
I'd take Panarin and a 2mil player over Matthews.
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Eh.. I don't know about that one. Panarin is more of a ghost in the playoffs than Matthews (especially lately). Plus he provides nothing when he isn't scoring. At least Matthews wins faceoffs (53% in the playoffs for his career) forechecks and actually plays with grit. Panarin kinda of stays in the perimeter in the playoffs.

Tavares is the real issue on that team, especially his cap hit. He's basically overkill for them.
 
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BobbyJet said:
And to continue the thought, Panarin is nowhere close to average defensively. He's terrible without the puck. To consider both players on the same page defensively is frankly ludicrous.
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They are closer than you think. To think Matthews is anywhere in the same universe as Hossa was, is more ludicrous.
 
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