NHL: Around the League 51

[TLEH]

I don't think everyone would have signed Tavares to that deal. Especially when you lack a major hole on D, and have 3 other stars to sign to big contracts. And he did fail to build a solid team around them, because he used a hell of a lot of cap space on 4 players and shitty goalies. He didn't make a trade or a draft pick that would make him seem smart. So I just don't get what people are gushing about with him.

And now he's doubling down on PITs core. lol

That is hindsight. They would have signed Tavares to that deal at the time.

 

[Hawkaholic]

That is hindsight. They would have signed Tavares to that deal at the time.

Not really. A lot of people questioned why Toronto would sign him when they have so many other holes to fill. Not hindsight at all.

 

[TLEH]

Not really. A lot of people questioned why Toronto would sign him when they have so many other holes to fill. Not hindsight at all.

Adding a guy of his talent at like 27 years old to lead your young core. Yeah that is a good move. It didn't work. They didn't win. But I don't think it was a bad deal.

Kadri was a bad move. Marchment was a bad move.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Adding a guy of his talent at like 27 years old to lead your young core. Yeah that is a good move. It didn't work. They didn't win. But I don't think it was a bad deal.

Kadri was a bad move. Marchment was a bad move.

OK, but just signing him and still keeping everyone else was not a good idea, at all. No one said it was a bad deal on the surface, but when you combine everything else with it, it was pretty obvious it wasn't ever going to work. He made more bad or sideways deals than he made good deals.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Having four forwards take up $40 million in cap space doomed them from the beginning. It was bad roster construction and I think the league will learn from this example.

It doesn’t help that only Nylander of the 4 elevate their game in the playoffs.

I think had they kept Kadri and focused on goal/defense instead they would’ve won more playoff series

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Actual rehash alert.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

That is terrible hire IMO and I don't see this ending up a happy ending for anyone involved

 

[JaegerDice]

Babcock and Q are basically the Spider-Man meme as coaches and people.

Completely inflexible tactically and willing to sacrifice any crumb of human decency to win. I dont believe either of them actually believe they did anything wrong.

Neither are worthy of the privilege of one of 32 head coaching positions in the premier hockey league in the world.

 

[JaegerDice]

Excellent. Fewer big players for the potentially legendary 2024 FA class.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Hey now, Q can actually win. Babcock never let anything horrific slide like Q did, but at the very least players seemed to like Q. Nobody likes playing for Babcock.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Hey now, Q can actually win. Babcock never let anything horrific slide like Q did, but at the very least players seemed to like Q. Nobody likes playing for Babcock.

That shit he pulled with Marner as 19 yr old and his other antics in past with other players show he is nothing but a bully who has no problem turning a locker room/team against player especially a younger player

Personally I always felt he was overrated

His run with Ducks was result of his goalie carrying team with historic performance and he was handed a readymade championship roster in Detroit that it could be argued underperformed under him.

 

[JaegerDice]

That shit he pulled with Marner as 19 yr old and his other antics in past with other players show he is nothing but a bully who has no problem turning a locker room/team against player especially a younger player

Personally I always felt he was overrated

His run with Ducks was result of his goalie carrying team with historic performance and he was handed a readymade championship roster in Detroit that it could be argued underperformed under him.

Uh, I know another coach that fits that description…

 

[JaegerDice]

Hey now, Q can actually win. Babcock never let anything horrific slide like Q did, but at the very least players seemed to like Q. Nobody likes playing for Babcock.

Some players liked Q. Others wanted trades out of town so they good get a fair shot (and ultimately win cups as top 4 dmen).

3 cups vs 1 cup and 2 gold medals. Both were basically set up to succeed thanks to the rosters provided.

 

[BobbyJet]

Babcock is back.... to Bluejackets... re: Friedman

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Some players liked Q. Others wanted trades out of town so they good get a fair shot (and ultimately win cups as top 4 dmen).

3 cups vs 1 cup and 2 gold medals. Both were basically set up to succeed thanks to the rosters provided.

If that’s a Trevor Daley reference, what? He was injured for one and a liability for the other. Pens won in spite of him, not because of him, Cup handoff order notwithstanding (basically Timonen’d).

And sure, Q had drawbacks as a coach when it came to player management, but there’s no such thing as a perfect coach and he never lost a locker room like Babcock.

Note: any praise I appear to have for Q is from a perspective of basically ignoring his reprehensible response to Beach. With that now common knowledge, nobody should be interested in hiring him. But, if that hadn’t happened, we wouldn’t be having a conversation over who is a better coach right now. Q morally disqualified himself, but Babcock’s a dinosaur in the current NHL.

 

[Naster Okan]

If that’s a Trevor Daley reference, what? He was injured for one and a liability for the other. Pens won in spite of him, not because of him, Cup handoff order notwithstanding (basically Timonen’d).

And sure, Q had drawbacks as a coach when it came to player management, but there’s no such thing as a perfect coach and he never lost a locker room like Babcock.

Note: any praise I appear to have for Q is from a perspective of basically ignoring his reprehensible response to Beach. With that now common knowledge, nobody should be interested in hiring him. But, if that hadn’t happened, we wouldn’t be having a conversation over who is a better coach right now. Q morally disqualified himself, but Babcock’s a dinosaur in the current NHL.

I forgot about Daley but I’m sure it’s more of a reference to Rutta and Kempny

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I forgot about Daley but I’m sure it’s more of a reference to Rutta and Kempny

Rutta averaged nearly 20 minutes his only full season with Q

It was after Q was fired that his role and usage decreased, and he was traded from Chicago as new coach clearly was not fan of him as he wasn't fan of Forsling or Joker

Bowman moved several defenders that didn't fit what Colliton wanted and the Hawks paid dearly for that foolish hire

Daley was slotted in #5 role and as Hawks had 4 better defenders then him. His usage in Chicago was fine

Kempny is only real player you can say Q misjudged and Q didn't like him because of his tendency to get caught pinching and put his partner/Hawks in bad spot

As for his time in Washington he was better but still had issues with pinching at worst moments and during Caps cup run he and Orpik were essentially rotating 4/5 dman and played far lower TOI then top 3 defenders so its not like he was great defender integral to success of Caps.

Also, Kempny never was more than #4 and in his final season of healthy play he was at times dropped to 3rd pairing in that year, so he was far from amazing

 

[BobbyJet]

Rutta averaged nearly 20 minutes his only full season with Q

It was after Q was fired that his role and usage decreased, and he was traded from Chicago as new coach clearly was not fan of him as he wasn't fan of Forsling or Joker

Bowman moved several defenders that didn't fit what Colliton wanted and the Hawks paid dearly for that foolish hire

Daley was slotted in #5 role and as Hawks had 4 better defenders then him. His usage in Chicago was fine

Kempny is only real player you can say Q misjudged and Q didn't like him because of his tendency to get caught pinching and put his partner/Hawks in bad spot

As for his time in Washington he was better but still had issues with pinching at worst moments and during Caps cup run he and Orpik were essentially rotating 4/5 dman and played far lower TOI then top 3 defenders so its not like he was great defender integral to success of Caps.

Also, Kempny never was more than #4 and in his final season of healthy play he was at times dropped to 3rd pairing in that year, so he was far from amazing

Right or wrong, still defending Q, years later. I'll give you this, you're consistent.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Some players liked Q. Others wanted trades out of town so they good get a fair shot (and ultimately win cups as top 4 dmen).

3 cups vs 1 cup and 2 gold medals. Both were basically set up to succeed thanks to the rosters provided.

3 Cups vs 1, that's all that needs to be said.
A monkey could have coached the Olympic teams to Gold.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Ducks Name Greg Cronin Head Coach | Anaheim Ducks

Cronin becomes 11th head coach in franchise history, brings 36 years of coaching and player development experience

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Another misstep for the Ducks

 

[Hawkaholic]

Ducks Name Greg Cronin Head Coach | Anaheim Ducks

Cronin becomes 11th head coach in franchise history, brings 36 years of coaching and player development experience

www.nhl.com

Another misstep for the Ducks

How so? He hasn't even been a head coach in the NHL before. Not sure how you can come to that conclusion already.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

When was last time a 1st time HC at 60 yrs old worked out?

 

[Hawkaholic]

When was last time a 1st time HC at 60 yrs old worked out?

When was the last time a 60 year old was a 1st time head coach?

 

[Putt Pirate]

Some odd coaching voices this off season. Babs then this? Like they are both trying to tank harder.

 

[Putt Pirate]

Saw Chelios is not to be back with ESPN. There are a dozen more names or so that will also get the chopping block per reporter. Hoping the whole studio crew and Hextall.