Next Possible Rangers Coach

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But which boxes does he tick?

You’re better than this. It’s almost like you’re getting hysterical over this question. There are really only three boxes and he checks all three. You totally could’ve figured this out for yourself.

Head coaching experience
Developmental approach
Success with young players

That does set him apart from options out there like Sutter or Ruff. Whether or not it sets him apart from some of the other college/AHL/assistant options is another question, but one that can’t be answered by any of us because it’s more about specifics.

In no way am I saying that Keefe is the guy, but the way you’re attacking the idea is a little weird.
 
Someone stated that Keefe was a long shot and someone else asked about if it was due to his history. My answer was just — why shouldn’t he be a long shot? There are of course a ton of very very successful coaches out there, and many that has set records in the process.

Being a coach in the Toronto market we hear a lot more about Keefe than we hear about others. I am not sure if Gorton listens to the same channels as we do though.

I also doubt that Keefe has a PR team, but his pal is excellent marketing himself and also Keefe in the process.
I mean this is a bit more tin foil hat than my thoughts, but my concern would be taking Keefe out of the infrastructure that he has in Toronto more than anything else.
 
Someone stated that Keefe was a long shot and someone else asked about if it was due to his history. My answer was just — why shouldn’t he be a long shot? There are of course a ton of very very successful coaches out there, and many that has set records in the process.

I dunno, again I feel like this is the same question asked about pretty much every candidate that isn't a recycled NHL head coach. Even an assistant NHL coach...there have been plenty of those that ended up failing hard when given a chance as a head coach. College coaches...never dealt with pro players before, small amount of games, only 1 or 2 games per week, "short season" as it were...what makes them more than a long shot?

Ultimately we don't know what the Rangers are looking for except the few vague things they publically stated. We don't really know what kind of coach they could be leaning towards. Brooks has been pushing Quinn but he's hardly more qualified than someone like Keefe in the end.
 
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Please elaborate because when I read this it sounds like you're worried about the Rangers' practice facility.

I guess it's more that Toronto has brought a lot of talent through their system recently so people worry Keefe has benefited more from just having the outright talent than being a good coach
 
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I guess it's more that Toronto has brought a lot of talent through their system recently so people worry Keefe has benefited more from just having the outright talent than being a good coach

Don’t we want a coach who can excel with young talent? Isn’t that the point?
 
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IMO, the final decision has not been made. If it was and the Rangers were just sitting on a candidate waiting for playoffs to end, it would have leaked by now. Too many people would know. I believe there are still some moving parts and there is probably a narrow pool but not a designee.

Yeah I'd suspect there are multiple candidates that they still want to interview that they can't. Assistant coaches, AHL coaches, etc, but maybe they've narrowed things down a bit.
 
Yeah I'd suspect there are multiple candidates that they still want to interview that they can't. Assistant coaches, AHL coaches, etc, but maybe they've narrowed things down a bit.
If they handled things quietly and appropriately, I expect they would have spoken to every AHL coach by now. Coaches aspiring for a promotion are usuallly made available for interviews even if playoffs are ongoing, Same with all NHL assistants. Unless I’ve missed something, that leaves Washington as the wild card.
 
IMO, the final decision has not been made. If it was and the Rangers were just sitting on a candidate waiting for playoffs to end, it would have leaked by now. Too many people would know. I believe there are still some moving parts and there is probably a narrow pool but not a designee.

Scott Gordon might be a guy that they have on their radar.
 
IMO, the final decision has not been made. If it was and the Rangers were just sitting on a candidate waiting for playoffs to end, it would have leaked by now. Too many people would know. I believe there are still some moving parts and there is probably a narrow pool but not a designee.

It seemed like they were prepared to move on Montgomery. They probably have some fall back option, a Nelson or Gordon or someone like that.
 
Listening to the new 31 Thoughts podcast. Jeff Marek brought up Hamiliton coach John Gruden. He got his team into the Memorial Cup.

Friedman said the Rangers are looking for something new. That would fit Gorton's criteria of a fresh face.

Looking at Gruden's resume, developmental coach which fits Dolan's criteria.

Gruden, 46, served as the inaugural head coach for the Flint Firebirds during the 2015-2016 season. Recently, he also served as assistant coach for Team USA at the 2016 U18 World Championships in Grand Forks, ND.

Prior to coaching in the Ontario Hockey League, Gruden spent four seasons (2011-15) as an assistant coach at USA Hockey’s National Team Development Program. During this time, Gruden helped lead Team USA to gold-medal finishes at both the 2012 and 2014 U18 Men’s World Championships.
The Virginia, Minn., native previously served as head coach and director of player personnel for the Oakland (Mich.) Junior Grizzlies AAA hockey team. Gruden was also head coach at Stoney Creek (Mich.) High School (2007-10) and Brother Rice Prep School (2005-07) in Bloomfield Hills, Mich.

Gruden has extensive experience playing professionally for 10 seasons, with stops in the National Hockey League, American Hockey League, International Hockey League and in Europe. He also represented the U.S. internationally at the 2003 International Ice Hockey Federation Men’s World Championship in Helsinki, Tampere, and Turku, Finland.

Prior to playing professionally, Gruden attended Ferris State University, (1990-94) where he played in 155 games and registered 104 points (40 goals, 64 assists). He became the first NCAA Division I All-American in Ferris State Athletics history as a result of being named to the American Hockey Coaches Association’s (AHCA) All-America Team in 1993-94. He also was the first player in 12 years in the history of the school to achieve Central Collegiate Hockey Association (CCHA) First-Team honors and finished as the runner-up for the CCHA’s Player of the Year Award.

John Gruden | Head Coach – Hamilton Bulldogs

Gruden was a Bruins draft pick and played in the Bruins organization when Jeff Gorton was AGM.

Gruden checks off all of the boxes. Fresh face. New. Developmental coach. Head coaching experience.

Friedman said it's probably not Keefe which confirms what has been reported by Carp.
 
Listening to the new 31 Thoughts podcast. Jeff Marek brought up Hamiliton coach John Gruden. He got his team into the Memorial Cup.

Friedman said the Rangers are looking for something new. That would fit Gorton's criteria of a fresh face.

Looking at Gruden's resume, developmental coach which fits Dolan's criteria.



John Gruden | Head Coach – Hamilton Bulldogs

Gruden was a Bruins draft pick and played in the Bruins organization when Jeff Gorton was AGM.

Gruden checks off all of the boxes. Fresh face. New. Developmental coach. Head coaching experience.

Friedman said it's probably not Keefe which confirms what has been reported by Carp.

He won a Super Bowl, im down with it. It’ll be interesting when he and Sam miss Sunday games during football season though.
 
You’re better than this. It’s almost like you’re getting hysterical over this question. There are really only three boxes and he checks all three. You totally could’ve figured this out for yourself.

Head coaching experience
Developmental approach
Success with young players

That does set him apart from options out there like Sutter or Ruff. Whether or not it sets him apart from some of the other college/AHL/assistant options is another question, but one that can’t be answered by any of us because it’s more about specifics.

In no way am I saying that Keefe is the guy, but the way you’re attacking the idea is a little weird.

And he can continue to develop and get better himself as in the forth box that Gorton specifically mentioned (grow with a team).
 
You’re better than this. It’s almost like you’re getting hysterical over this question. There are really only three boxes and he checks all three. You totally could’ve figured this out for yourself.

Head coaching experience
Developmental approach
Success with young players

That does set him apart from options out there like Sutter or Ruff. Whether or not it sets him apart from some of the other college/AHL/assistant options is another question, but one that can’t be answered by any of us because it’s more about specifics.

In no way am I saying that Keefe is the guy, but the way you’re attacking the idea is a little weird.

Sorry I am usually so whiny when I post that when I am not whining I recon it comes across like it... ;)

My point was really just what I replied to Levitate, on a scale of which coach I would be most excited with if we hired Keefe comes really high if not at the top. Just trying to understand why he might not be at the top of Gorton's list.
 
Bert Robertsson is an interesting coaching candidate. He has been a part of the training staff for Skellefteå that has taken them to 7 finals in 8 years in the SHL.

He has some NHL experience, been around a lot. Even played for us, a few games in the NHL and about a season in HFD. He is probably the closest to a goon Sweden ever have produced.

He is very influenced by Mike Babcock but has developed Babcocks style a lot over the years. A little background that I don't think many knows, but during Babcock's last year in the AHL he coached a Swede, Jonas Rönnqvist. Rönnqvist is a very intelligent player, but had a lot of backproblems during his career which eventually forced him to retire. Anyway Rönnqvist and Babcock became very good friends and Babs preparing for NHL interviews really picked his brain on which parts from the European games he could use in his NA game and how. There was some talks about Babcock wanting Rönnqvist to become his assistent in Detroit but it never materialized (Tränaren om galna ryktet: "Jag hörde om det där"). Bert Robertsson also played some for Babcock in Cinncinatti. Anyway, a few years later Rönnqvist (who during the few years between playing hockey and becoming a coach, started a company and made a 20m USD exit) and Robertsson took over as coaches of Almtuna in the Swedish second tier league. Almtuna had worthless conditions, no money, the worst arena imaginable and so forth. But Rönnqvist and Robertsson had tremendous success and fell just short of taking Almtuna to the SHL. They revolutionized Swedish hockey.

Robertsson then moved on to Skellefteå and Rönnqvist to another SHL team. Rönnqvist is a genius but he has quit coaching now. But Robertsson was a huge part of creating the extreme powerhouse Skellefteå has been in the NHL the last years. Now all teams in the SHL uses that puck pursuit style that Rönnqvist took with him from Babcock.

Robertsson is as passionate as they come, way too passionate at times, but he got that mentality you love in a coach. Sees no limits, so bright and positive, always pushes things forwards. He is 43 but has already been coaching for 10 years now.


But he is also one of those super bright personailities, who just has experienced so much. He had Mike Keenan for almost a full year. Has been coached by Babacock, Crawford, Low, Renney and many others (played for 12 teams in NA). He had no skill but grinded himself to 7 years in NA, playing both forward and D. Fighting, killing penalties etc.

I think Skellefteå is the best coached hockey team out there right now. They have been for a while. They play that high paced up tempo forchecking style, takes the puck to the net and create a ton of top notch scoring chances -- AND they manage to combine that with also having a lot of possession.

To be honest, I am very far from convinced that Robertsson is a Head Coach materia in the NHL -- but I do think that he could become a tremendously valuable assistent for a NHL team. The coaching staff that would get me the most excited would lol probably be: HC: Ron Francis, Associate Coach Forwards: Keefe, Associate Coach Defenders: Bert Robertsson
 
John Gruden would be a solid choice after researching his background. He has no NHL head coaching experience but that is not one of Gorton's requirements. Gorton just wants head coaching experience at any level. Danny Ainge hired Brad Stevens from Butler with no pro experience. Both of them took their teams to Final 4. Gorton and Clark know him from the Bruins days. Jamie Herrington was part of Hockey USA. Gruden was part of the national development program and coached in various junior tournaments for the US.
 
John Gruden would be a solid choice after researching his background. He has no NHL head coaching experience but that is not one of Gorton's requirements. Gorton just wants head coaching experience at any level. Danny Ainge hired Brad Stevens from Butler with no pro experience. Both of them took their teams to Final 4. Gorton and Clark know him from the Bruins days. Jamie Herrington was part of Hockey USA. Gruden was part of the national development program and coached in various junior tournaments for the US.
They also probably just got a good feel for how he is as a coach since he just outcoached a stacked SSM to win the OHL championship. I’m sure our scouts were watching Gettinger. Maybe they were checking out Rob Thomas too.
 
As I said, it will not be Keefe.

5/17/18 | On the 31 Thoughts podcast this week, Jeff Marek asked Elliotte Friedman about the Rangers and Sheldon Keefe and Friedman responded, "I don't think that it would be a huge surprise, Keefe's name has been out there a lot but I have been led to believe he is not the guy for the Rangers." (Sportsnet)

Friedman continued, "Keefe's a name I have heard a lot but I have been told it's probably not him, he is the first guy that jumped into my head. They must be waiting to talk to Keefe who has the Marlies in the playoffs but guys tell me that they don't think that is it."

He added that he has heard that it likely won't be Washington assistant Layne Lambert or Pascal Vincent, the coach AHL coach for the Jets.
 
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Bob McKenzie feels Jim Montgomery was the Rangers guy. He doesn't know if a contract was offered. Jeff Gorton went to Denmark for the World Championships. The Rangers aren't in any rush to name a coach. He doesn't have a good feel of who will be the Rangers coach.
 
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Bob McKenzie feels Jim Montgomery was the Rangers guy. He doesn't know if a contract was offered. Jeff Gorton went to Denmark for the World Championships. The Rangers aren't in any rush to name a coach. He doesn't have a good feel of who will be the Rangers coach.
When Bob McKenzie is stumped, that's big news in itself.
 
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