Next Non-McDavid Art Ross winner

[Regal]

Vulnerable like Lemieux when he won the Art Rosses with a PPP% share of 48%, 40%, 36%, 49%?

The trophy doesn't ask how you got 'em, only how many.

I believe the point being made is that if the PP slips because McDavid is out long term, Draisaitl’s PP points will also slip, and make it more difficult to win.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Matthews will more likely never win an Art Ross in his career.

This. Matthews simply doesn't put up the assist totals you need to be a real Art Ross contender. Top class as far as goal scoring goes, but over the last five seasons, he only has four more assists than Tuevo Teravainen - and eleven fewer than Tyson Barrie.

 

[Crow]

Bedard is my pick.

Dark horse - Stutzle

 

[Toby91ca]

20yr old McDavid beat 29yr old Crosby

I think 20yr old Bedard has the potential to challenge a 29yr old McDavid, so I went with him.

Except Crosby would have been 30 when McDavid was 20 and McDavid will only be 28 when Bedard is 20.

 

[Coffey]

I believe the point being made is that if the PP slips because McDavid is out long term, Draisaitl’s PP points will also slip, and make it more difficult to win.

As long as RNH is fine, Drai has nothing to worry about.
He's the real straw that stirs the drink!

 

[Coffey]

20yr old McDavid beat 29yr old Crosby

I think 20yr old Bedard has the potential to challenge a 29yr old McDavid, so I went with him.

But 28 year old Crosby wasn't scoring 150+ pts.
That comparison doesn't work at allllllll.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Except Crosby would have been 30 when McDavid was 20 and McDavid will only be 28 when Bedard is 20.

I shouldn't have to say this, but that entirely depends on what day you're counting from.

But 28 year old Crosby wasn't scoring 150+ pts.
That comparison doesn't work at allllllll.

Never said he was, so.. ok?

 

[Coffey]

Never said he was, so.. ok?

You had insinuated it when you compared one young phenom beating an older one to current day situations.

 

[Toby91ca]

I shouldn't have to say this, but that entirely depends on what day you're counting from.

I get that, but the age gap isn’t the same either way. More simplistically, McDavid was drafted 10 years after Crosby and Bedard was drafted only 8 years after McDavid

 

[KevinRedkey]

You had insinuated it when you compared one young phenom beating an older one to current day situations.

I said he had the potential to beat him, and gave an example of it happening somewhat recently.
It's really not as complicated as you're trying it make it.

 

[Coffey]

I said he had the potential to beat him, and gave an example of it happening somewhat recently.
It's really not as complicated as you're trying it make it.

Oh it’s complicated, Kevin!

 

[KevinRedkey]

I get that, but the age gap isn’t the same either way. More simplistically, McDavid was drafted 10 years after Crosby and Bedard was drafted only 8 years after McDavid

I also used Bedard as a 20yr old - which is his 3rd season. I used McDavid's 2nd season.

Either way, you're arguing semantics.

 

[authentic]

This. Matthews simply doesn't put up the assist totals you need to be a real Art Ross contender. Top class as far as goal scoring goes, but over the last five seasons, he only has four more assists than Tuevo Teravainen - and eleven fewer than Tyson Barrie.

In his Hart season his points per game was only .09 behind McDavid's and actually was the highest in the league excluding empty net points. So considering he actually did lead the league in points per game on a goaltender already I don't know if this would hold him back if he played a full healthy season (assuming McDavid missed a bunch of games or something)

 

[McNuge]

In his Hart season his points per game was only .09 behind McDavid's and actually was the highest in the league excluding empty net points. So considering he actually did lead the league in points per game on a goaltender already I don't know if this would hold him back if he played a full healthy season (assuming McDavid missed a bunch of games or something)

When you have to exclude certain points and use pace you've already lost the Art Ross.

 

[authentic]

When you have to exclude certain points and use pace you've already lost the Art Ross.

Just saying he could be a contender if McDavid misses games again (I don’t expect him to come that close to McDavid in points per game again). The Leafs have a pretty stacked offense now too so it’s all on how healthy he can remain throughout the season.

 

[6ix]

It absolutely does address the point. The comment I was responding to made no mention of a "season ending injury", just an injury. Draisaitl has shown he can elevate his game in the rare instances that McDavid misses games in the past. It absolutely amazes me that even after 5 years of playing at a 50+ goal, 120+ point pace people still think Draisaitl is a mere product of McDavid.

McDavid played 63 of 71 games in 2019-2020 and lost out on the Ross to Draisaitl. Draisaitl saw his PPG jump from 1.5 to 2.0 when McDavid was out that year.

And Draisaitl is significantly ahead of #3 in points since McDavid began to dominate the Art Ross trophy in 2017. Mcdavid is #1 in points since 2017 with 802. Draisaitl is #2 with 684. MacKinnon is #3 with 606. That is a significant gap.

Should McDavid miss time next year the biggest threat to him winning the Art Ross is clearly Draisaitl. In a couple years time as McDavid and Draisaitl get older it will be time for Bedard to start winning Art Ross trophies.

If McDavid was injured for 30+ game, Draisaitl would not win the Art Ross. Majority of his goal scoring comes on the PP. He won’t have mcdvaid him feeding cross ice passes into an open net.

I’d vote Hughes in this scenario.

 

[wetcoast]

Unless he gets hurt, he probably has the next 3 on lock. Predicting injury is a crapshoot, so I'll go Bedard as someone that can hopefully eventually legitimately one day surpass him in point total.

That would be my guess but it's just a guess really could be any of 5 guys.

 

[Miro4Norris]

Laine has been 2ppg player since moving to a center position. He will win Art this year

 

[Lt Dan]

Trevor Moore. The Pride of Thousand Oaks

 

[bobbyking]

Bedard winning a Ross on that Chicago roster would be absolutely mind boggling. I don't even think Wayne or Mario could....

 

[Regal]

Bedard winning a Ross on that Chicago roster would be absolutely mind boggling. I don't even think Wayne or Mario could....

I think people are assuming the roster will be better by the time he competes for it though

 

[Sweetpotato]

Draisaitl will win the Ross, rocket and Hart this season. McDavid wants to evolve as a player and Draisaitl seems to be getting more second fiddle treatment from media and fans so I think he drops 140 pts while McDavid messes with his game to try and match up better against some other top centers.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

MacKinnon in the next five years is going to have a year where he scores like 125 points.

McDavid is by far the best player in the NHL, but I'm not expecting 150 every year. I think that'll dip into the 120's-130's most years.

McDavid will also have to not miss more than like 10 games in any season, otherwise he pretty much can't win it. It's tough to season after season not sustain any semi-long injury. Hopefully no injuries, but to win the Art Ross season after season it requires being injury free. That's one of the hardest awards to win season after season for that exact reason.

 

[AKL]

I voted Hughes because I think it's going to be a situation where McDavid is injured for part of the year, in which case I think Draisaitl's production takes a hit too. MacKinnon also a very good answer.

 

[Panthaz89]

If McDavid doesn’t win, it’s likely due to injury which will mean we will see a substantial drop in points for Draisaitl. Going with Hughes or MacKinnon

Last time McD missed a lot of time Draisaitl won the Ross