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So would Todd McLellan be a better option if Blake never got to play under him?

Maybe some of you should read this.


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“He’s coached junior hockey and he’s had experiences in developing and being a coach in an environment where you’ve got to develop young players,” said Red Wings GM Ken Holland, who hired McLellan in 2005 at the behest of Babcock.

“At the same time, he’s coached Joe Thornton, coached (Joe) Pavelski, (Brent) Burns, veteran players.”

What Holland was talking about is a good steward who has worked well with younger players and older players. That’s what Gerard Gallant, for instance, has been able to do so successfully with the Vegas Golden Knights and before that, the Florida Panthers.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
So would Todd McLellan be a better option if Blake never got to play under him?
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Obviously, that is the million dollar question and the elephant in the room. But, in the end, that's just how it goes. We'd probably do the same thing in Blake's shoes if we were players who went through multiple locker rooms and coaches and knew all of these people personally. Lombardi operated on the same way and had his major struggles with loyalty, but you work with what you know. At the very least, it should be better than Willie D...
 
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Quenneville is going to be 61 in Sept, and this will be his 4th head coaching job, but 3rd without Kane, who he hasn't won without. And hey, Dale Tallon has hired Quenneville twice for the same job. Looking to a friend to come save the day. You'd think a 68 year old who has been around hockey forever would have a larger circle of friends to give a job to. Just recycle the old dude though.
 
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Lol.
Ziggy Stardust said:
So would Todd McLellan be a better option if Blake never got to play under him?

Maybe some of you should read this.


Here’s a snippet:
“He’s coached junior hockey and he’s had experiences in developing and being a coach in an environment where you’ve got to develop young players,” said Red Wings GM Ken Holland, who hired McLellan in 2005 at the behest of Babcock.

“At the same time, he’s coached Joe Thornton, coached (Joe) Pavelski, (Brent) Burns, veteran players.”

What Holland was talking about is a good steward who has worked well with younger players and older players. That’s what Gerard Gallant, for instance, has been able to do so successfully with the Vegas Golden Knights and before that, the Florida Panthers.
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How’d that work out for the Oilers? They had what 5 #1 overall draft picks?
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
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It's interesting that guys like Doughty and Carter are the ones who need a coach to hold players accountable. The kids, who are normally the ones that get accused of not being focused were the ones who showed up most of the time while the vets took night after night off. It's easy to say this right now but I wonder how Carter would feel if he were benched for 2-3 games?
 
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DryIslandBartender said:
Are we not allowed to question his resume?

If his development credentials are excellent, where is that reflected in his tenure with the oilers? They had a lot of young talent and they went nowhere.
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Look at their development and draft results beyond the obvious homeruns like McDavid and Draisaitl, it’s abysmal. And they’ve had problems running deep that go well beyond McLellan, who wasn’t there very long.

They also had a GM who still tried to build a heavy team that would make Dean Lombardi proud, and look at how that worked out for them.
 
DryIslandBartender said:
Are we not allowed to question his resume?

If his development credentials are excellent, where is that reflected in his tenure with the oilers? They had a lot of young talent and they went nowhere.
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That young talent came into an organization that has a current culture of being a loser. This is not the days of Gretzky and Messier.
 


I know these guys are hockey players and they love their cliche answers, but when you've been sucking wind the past 5 years I think you should come up with a better answer than "use this as an opportunity to get better". You've had 5 ****ing years to get better and not only have you not gotten better they managed to somehow get even worse.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
Look at their development and draft results beyond the obvious homeruns like McDavid and Draisaitl, it’s abysmal. And they’ve had problems running deep that go well beyond McLellan, who wasn’t there very long.

They also had a GM who still tried to build a heavy team that would make Dean Lombardi proud, and look at how that worked out for them.
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They brought in Todd for the same reasons we are looking at him now. Someone to develop the young players and manages the vets. They were winning and then the wheels fell off.

His Sharks tenure was alright but his replacement did well and took them to the Cup finals with the same team.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
So it’s McLellan’s fault that the Oilers suck?
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Well according to their fans he was a poor coach. On top of that, according to sharks fans and Oilers fans he overplayed vets and didn't handle rookies well.


So yeah, a typical Blake hire seems about right.

All of this downplaying of Tmacs failures and problems as a coach is pretty crazy. He's not the right coach for the Kings
 
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Good coaches get their teams to overachieve. Something that McLellan has never done.

I don't think he's a bad coach, just an average coach.

I really just want someone who manages ice time better. When a young player like Wagner/Luff/Amadio shows offensive upside, I want to see them given a chance in a scoring role, instead of gifting all the opportunity to Iafallo and underachieving vets like Toffoli and Carter.
 
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Sol said:
Well according to their fans he was a poor coach. On top of that, according to sharks fans and Oilers fans he overplayed vets and didn't handle rookies well.


So yeah, a typical Blake hire seems about right.

All of this downplaying of Tmacs failures and problems as a coach is pretty crazy. He's not the right coach for the Kings
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Joe Pavelski, Marc-Eduoard Vlasic and Brent Burns all broke out as top players under Todd McLellan.

And he introduced a bunch of young players into their lineup as well, ranging from Logan Couture, Devin Setoguchi, Tomas Hertl, Matt Nieto, Chris Tierney, Tommy Wingels, Jason Demers, Justin Braun, etc.

He doesn't know how to handle young players, right?
 
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