News & Notes XLV: Simply Having A Wonderful Canesmastime

tarheelhockey

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I’m not trying to argue, I’m curious to how real a list this is. Winni at 92% is actually pretty damn good in my book but that’s my problem with whole list. We’re talking about small differences in numbers because almost the whole league is crushing it, which doesn’t seem to be the case when you watch the games. Florida always has a lot of empty seats in general and they’re at 98% here. I don’t believe that, and over a ten year period I would never believe that for attendance. People don’t go to regular season games there even when they’re good. They buy tickets….sure.

This kind of list has always had some….creativity to it. The Avs had a huge sellout record back in their real heyday and I was working on game nights back then. It was a total crock. Every listed sellout half the upper bowl was empty and everyone would just move down and fill the first handful of rows.

I just don’t trust it enough to talk smack about it and especially when someone is being slammed for being 95.2 vs 97.8 or whatever. If you’re over 90% you’re doing very well imo….if those numbers are accurate. Actual attendance vs tickets sold when corporations buy the tickets in bulk, then can’t find anyone to give them away to. It’s just a very inaccurate science to me. Not at all reflective of how many fans you’ve actually got showing up or how strong your market really is.

Tickets-sold is the only reasonable universal standard, as it sets the literal definition for a “sellout”. If the ticket is sold but the seat is empty at game time, there could very well be 10,000 people lined up to take that ticket, except that they’re not able to access it. If the ticket isn’t sold and the seat is empty at game time, then the only conclusion is that nobody wanted to buy it. That gives a clear-cut answer to the question, is this seat in demand?

Turnstile count is interesting, and I’d love to see those numbers too because they’d give us a different kind of information about demand to see that particular game. But for one thing, turnstile counts are unreliable and VERY easy to fake. Back in the days of physical tickets and three-pronged turnstiles, I worked at a concert venue and remember seeing teenaged ushers and small kids spinning them just to watch the numbers tick up. To measure attendance, the low-paid staff would actually take the plastic bags of torn tickets out of the turnstile and count them by hand.

My guess is there probably hasn’t been a game in the history of the league where literally 100% of seats were actually filled. I remember there was a Packers playoff game years ago where only one guy didn’t show up, and it made national headlines because it’s incredible to get that close to true 100% (meaning nobody got sick at the last minute, nobody’s flight got cancelled, etc). Nobody would be hitting 100% if that were the standard, but a sellout is a sellout.

I do think that a large number of those empty seats (which are also an issue at Canes games — it’s always the same entire rows which are empty) are due to brokers buying up sections, which is how sellout streaks get sustained long term. It sucks but I don’t see a way around it, seeing as the brokers are a huge source of revenue for the franchise and also for Ticketmaster. That behavior will always be encouraged at the expense of optics.

Anyway, my remark about Winnipeg was simply that we heard so much chest-thumping from the Make It Seven zealots about how the appetite for the Jets would be bottomless and there would never be a ticket available. Now they’ve got the #1 team in the entire NHL, looking to make the playoffs for the 7th time in 8 years, and they’re drawing 14K a game which is lower than what the Atlanta Thrashers drew most years. It’s not that I wish ill on the Jets, I hope they figure it out and thrive financially. But I meant exactly what I said — I don’t want to hear one single word from them about empty seats in other barns. Same with a few other teams on that list, like Calgary and Ottawa and Pittsburgh and Chicago. Oh, three Cups wasn’t enough excitement to hold you over till the next generational lottery win? Not a word.
 

DaveG

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I mean the worst teams in the league claim 85%.

I know during the dark days there were times I went to the PNC and saw less than 10K in seats easily. I have pics of my wife and I in the lower bowl about 3/4 of the way up (when we paid for uppers and they asked you to move down) and there is literally ONE guy (who looks like dale earnhardt lol) behind us. So, yeah.

You can see NO one in the 200s and one person in the rows behind me. I paid more to park for these games than I did a ticket. You could get uppers for like 20-25 each and just sit literally where ever you wanted.

The pic I have on fb is from 2015.
Basically comes down to a ticket sold counting as attendance. There's been about half a dozen games this year I haven't been able to make for various reasons (usually migraines) that I haven't been able to re sell but it's still counted all the same.
 

To Be Determined

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Attendance is like +/- in that it only tells you anything useful if you are comparing the team to itself.

2024 carolina is doing much better than 2014 carolina (for some reason) - but trying to compare to anyone else may not translate.
 

Finlandia WOAT

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Anyway, my remark about Winnipeg was simply that we heard so much chest-thumping from the Make It Seven zealots about how the appetite for the Jets would be bottomless and there would never be a ticket available. Now they’ve got the #1 team in the entire NHL, looking to make the playoffs for the 7th time in 8 years, and they’re drawing 14K a game which is lower than what the Atlanta Thrashers drew most years. It’s not that I wish ill on the Jets, I hope they figure it out and thrive financially. But I meant exactly what I said — I don’t want to hear one single word from them about empty seats in other barns. Same with a few other teams on that list, like Calgary and Ottawa and Pittsburgh and Chicago. Oh, three Cups wasn’t enough excitement to hold you over till the next generational lottery win? Not a word.
This, the issue is it's Winnipeg, they're the best team in the League, and they can't fill their barn when a huge portion of the justification for Jets 2.0 was they could fill the arena, no matter what.
 

Surrounded By Ahos

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Obsession, so hot right now



He's a beat reporter for them.

Imagine obsessing this much over a nothing play in a pretty meaningless game in December. It was pretty amazing to watch that team unravel in real time after the penalty. If that's how they handle the tiniest amount of adversity I can't imagine they'll go far in the playoffs.
 

Joe McGrath

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It gets even better, because they believe Necas dived against Florida last night as well. You know, the hit to the head that had him in concussion protocol for most of the period?

It also means they went out of their way to watch our game to hunt for supposed dives
New Jersey is an awful place. I can’t fault the foul moods anyone who has to spend their lives there are in.
 

chaz4hockey

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New Jersey is an awful place. I can’t fault the foul moods anyone who has to spend their lives there are in.
Re: New Jersey
This article says it all:

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Svechhammer

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It gets even better, because they believe Necas dived against Florida last night as well. You know, the hit to the head that had him in concussion protocol for most of the period?

It also means they went out of their way to watch our game to hunt for supposed dives
Yeah I saw those comments as well. Idiots
 

Svechhammer

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Posted elsewhere but perhaps of interest here.

Fines for Diving/Embellishment, all time

Toronto 5
Florida 4
New Jersey 3
Washington 3
Nashville 3
Arizona 2
Detroit 2
Edmonton 2
Montreal 2
NY Islanders 2
Winnipeg 2
16 teams tied at 1 (including Carolina)
5 teams tied at 0
The ladies doth protest too much

Also man the NY region really hates us, huh
 
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tarheelhockey

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The ladies doth protest too much

No ****ing kidding.

That guy in particular could have swallowed his anger about a literal L and walked away. But he got up in his emotions, and now it’s the L that just keeps on giving. Necas scoring on Florida after coming back from concussion protocol, then Hamilton getting fined for diving the very next day is just a perfect garnish on the shit sandwich he’s been eating.
 

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