News & Notes Thread Part VI: "Where the Hell is the News Thread?" Editon

[the halleJOKEL]

if they buyout semin i have no idea how i can continue supporting this franchise b/c they would clearly have no idea wtf they are doing

same goes for trading skinner

 

[Identity404]

Yeah $3.5m a year for 8 years doesn't seem something this organization would ever consider for more than a second.

It seems like Garrioch was actually referring to the Canes using a compliance buyout on Semin, making it even less likely...

 

[tarheelhockey]

If we buy out Semin, then we may as well go ahead and cut bait on the Staals and Skinner because clearly the goal is not to be a competitive hockey club at that point.

 

[cptjeff]

Also, we have a vastly more positive view of Semin than a lot of the rest of the league. One personnel guy: "what about compete level, what about second effort. In four viewings this year, effort was a definite issue."

It certainly was an issue at many points this season, but at other points, it really hasn't been. He's been inconsistent, but he's been better than a certain captain of this team. And for that matter, I don't really blame him. At many points, he, Sekera, and Skinner were the only three on the ice who seemed to care. It's really hard to maintain that level of emotion and effort when everyone around you isn't.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

Let's also not forget that if FeeddaPuck is correct, Semin's been battling a wrist issue all season and may go under the knife in the offseason.

 

[DaleCooper]

if they buyout semin i have no idea how i can continue supporting this franchise b/c they would clearly have no idea wtf they are doing

same goes for trading skinner

At least trading Skinner would presumably return something of value.

Buying out Semin (and I cannot possibly believe this rumor has any merit whatsoever) would be the most mind blowingly insane thing this franchise has ever done, and it has done some pretty wild stuff over the decades.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

if they buyout semin i have no idea how i can continue supporting this franchise b/c they would clearly have no idea wtf they are doing

same goes for trading skinner

Same here. I'm already having a tough time as it is.

 

[What the Faulk]

Yikes, I didn't realize just how bad Eric Staal has been on the powerplay this year. His even strength numbers fall in line mostly with his career averages, but the powerplay has cost him about 10 points. More concerning though is that this is becoming a trend. A 5 year decline in shooting percentage to below 3%. 4 year decline in points/60. Less ice time, less chances created, less success as a unit.

They better hope that Loktionov is the real deal or Staal turns it around, because a powerplay without a center isn't going to convert much.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Yikes, I didn't realize just how bad Eric Staal has been on the powerplay this year. His even strength numbers fall in line mostly with his career averages, but the powerplay has cost him about 10 points. More concerning though is that this is becoming a trend. A 5 year decline in shooting percentage to below 3%. 4 year decline in points/60. Less ice time, less chances created, less success as a unit.

They better hope that Loktionov is the real deal or Staal turns it around, because a powerplay without a center isn't going to convert much.

Yeah, I noticed that and commented in the other thread. Historically, he was getting about 1/3rd of his goals on the PP and was getting about 12-14 PP goals / year. The last 3 have shown a marked decline with 7, 3 (in 48 games) and 1. Now most of that time was with Muller as coach where the PP has sucked overall, but still, the only forwards with less PP goals than Staal this year are Tlusty, Dwyer, Dvorak, Malhotra and Bowman. Other than Tlusty, those guys haven't even played on the PP.

 

[Bub]

So, good times in Winnipeg. Maybe a fresh start in Raleigh is just what he needs!

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/evander-kane-discussed-his-healthy-scratch-and-it-was-cringe-worthy--video-183410017.html

 

[DaleCooper]

So, good times in Winnipeg. Maybe a fresh start in Raleigh is just what he needs!

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/evander-kane-discussed-his-healthy-scratch-and-it-was-cringe-worthy--video-183410017.html

Oh my god I was terrified this article was going to be about Maurice. So relieved.

 

[tarheelhockey]

A 5 year decline in shooting percentage to below 3%.

Good lord.

 

[cptjeff]

Let's also not forget that if FeeddaPuck is correct, Semin's been battling a wrist issue all season and may go under the knife in the offseason.

Don't remember hearing that. It could certainly explain a few things, including the problems and hesitation with his shot.

Buying out Semin would be insane.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

I suppose he's not technically wrong. Francis will have to make that decision. It will just be an easy one.

Lol Missed this earlier. Very true. I just can't imagine this is in the head of JR or Francis.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

Bolts just extended Stevie Y's contract by four years.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

During the jets game they just said Carolina tried to acquire Jim Slater back when Maurice was still our coach.

 

[tarheelhockey]

So, one of the big projects I've been working on lately is a complete "family tree" of the Eric Lindros trade. I've worked it out for every team and will roll it out on the main board soon, but will drop the Hurricanes folks here first.

I only counted connections via a series of trades extending directly back to the Lindros deal. No waivers, FA signings, etc.

The initial trade:

a) Eric Lindros to the Philadelphia Flyers for Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextall, Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Steve Duchene, a 1993 1st round pick (Jocelyn Thibault), a 1994 1st round pick (later traded), and $15,000,000 cash.


Brock McGinn and Brett Sutter
a) Duchene and and Denis Chasse to St. Louis for Bob Bassen, Garth Butcher and Ron Sutter to Quebec
b) Butcher, Mats Sundin, Todd Warriner and 1st 1994 to Toronto for Wendel Clark, Sylvain Lefebvre, Landon Wilson and 1st 1994 (Jeff Kealty) to Quebec
c) Clark to the Islanders for Claude Lemieux to Colorado
d) Lemieux, 1st 2000, (David Hale) and 2nd 2000 to New Jersey for Brian Rolston and 1st 2000 to Colorado
e) Hale and 5th 2007 to Calgary for 3rd 2007 (Nick Palmieri) to New Jersey
f) 5th 2007 and 5th 2007 to Buffalo for 4th 2007 (Keith Aulie) to Calgary
g) Aulie, Dion Phaneuf and Fredrik Sjostrom to Toronto for Ian White, Matt Stajan, Niklas Hagman and Jamal Mayers to Calgary
h) White and Brett Sutter to Carolina for Anton Babchuk and Tom Kostopolous to Calgary
i) White to San Jose for 2nd 2012 (Brock McGinn) to Carolina


Riley Nash
b) Duchene and and Denis Chasse to St. Louis for Bob Bassen, Garth Butcher and Ron Sutter to Quebec
c) Duchesne to Ottawa for 2nd 1996 to St. Louis
d) 2nd 1996 (Corey Sarich), Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre and 3rd 1997 to Buffalo for Yuri Khmylev and 8th 1996 to St. Louis
e) Sarich, Brian Holzinger, Wayne Primeau and 3rd 2000 to Tampa Bay for Chris Gratton and 2nd 2001 to Buffalo
f) Gratton and 4th 2004 to Phoenix for Daniel Briere and 3rd 2004 (Andrej Sekera) to Buffalo
g) 4th 2004 and 2nd 2004 to Edmonton for Jason Chimera and 3rd 2004 to Phoenix
h) 3rd 2004 and Danny Markov to Carolina for David Tanabe and Igor Knyazev to Phoenix
i) 3rd 2004 to Phoenix for 3rd 2005 to Carolina
j) 3rd 2005 to Nashville for Andrew Hutchinson to Carolina
k) Hutchinson, Joe Barnes and 3rd 2008 (Evgeny Grachev) to Rangers for Matt Cullen to Carolina
l) Cullen to Columbus for Alexandre Picard and 2nd 2010 to Carolina
m) 2nd 2010 to Edmonton for Riley Nash to Carolina

Greg Nemisz
b) Duchene and and Denis Chasse to St. Louis for Bob Bassen, Garth Butcher and Ron Sutter to Quebec
c) Butcher, Mats Sundin, Todd Warriner and 1st 1994 to Toronto for Wendel Clark, Sylvain Lefebvre, Landon Wilson and 1st 1994 (Jeff Kealty) to Quebec
d) 1st 1994 (Nolan Baumgartner) and Rob Pearson to Washington for Mike Ridley and 1st 1994 to Toronto
e) Ridley to Vancouver for Sergio Momesso to Toronto
f) Momesso and Bill Berg to Rangers for Nick Kypreos and Wayne Presley to Toronto
g) Berg and 2nd 1999 to Ottawa for Stan Neckar to Rangers
h) 2nd 1999 (Jordan Leopold) to ANA for 2nd 1999 and 7th 1999 to Ottawa
i) Leopold to Calgary for Andrei Nazarov and 2nd 2001 to Anaheim
j) Leopold, 2nd 2006 and 2nd 2007 to Colorado for Alex Tanguay to Calgary
k) Tanguay and 5th 2008 to Montreal for 1st 2008 (Greg Nemisz) and 2nd 2009 to Calgary
l) Nemisz to Carolina for Kevin Westgarth to Calgary

Oskar Osala and Justin Shugg
b) Ricci and 2nd 1998 to San Jose for Shean Donovan and 1st 1998 (Alex Tanguay) to Colorado
c) 2nd 1998, 5th 2000 and Kay Whitmore to Buffalo for Steve Shields, 4th 1998 to San Jose
d) Shields, Jeff Friesen and 2nd 2003 to Anaheim for Teemu Selanne to San Jose
e) Friesen, Oleg Tverdovsky and Maxim Balmochnykh to New Jersey for Petr Sykora, Mike Commodore, J.F. Damphousse, and Igor Pohanka to Anaheim
f) Commodore and Damphousse to Calgary for Rob Niedermayer to Anaheim
g) Commodore to Carolina for 3rd 2005 (Gord Baldwin) to Calgary
h) Commodore and Cory Stillman to Ottawa for Joe Corvo and Patrick Eaves to Carolina
i) Eaves and 4th 2010 to Boston for Aaron Ward to Carolina
j) Ward to Anaheim for Justin Pogge and 4th 2010 (Justin Shugg) to Carolina
k) Corvo to WAS for Oskar Osala, Brian Pothier and 2nd 2011 to CAR

Andrej Sekera
b) Duchene and and Denis Chasse to St. Louis for Bob Bassen, Garth Butcher and Ron Sutter to Quebec
c) Duchesne to Ottawa for 2nd 1996 to St. Louis
d) 2nd 1996 (Corey Sarich), Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre and 3rd 1997 to Buffalo for Yuri Khmylev and 8th 1996 to St. Louis
e) Sarich, Brian Holzinger, Wayne Primeau and 3rd 2000 to Tampa Bay for Chris Gratton and 2nd 2001 to Buffalo
f) Gratton and 4th 2004 to Phoenix for Daniel Briere and 3rd 2004 (Andrej Sekera) to Buffalo
g) Sekera to Carolina for Jamie McBain and 2nd 2013 (JT Compher) to Buffalo

Jared Staal
b) Hextall and 1st 1993 to Islanders for Mark Fitzpatrick and 1st 1993 (Adam Deadmarsh) to Quebec
c) Deadmarsh, Aaron Miller, Jared Aulin, 1st 2001 and 1st 2003 to Los Angeles for Rob Blake and Steven Reinprecht to Colorado
d) Reinprecht and Rhett Warrener to Buffalo for Keith Ballard to Colorado
e) Ballard and Derek Morris to Phoenix for Chris Gratton, Ossi Vaananen and 2nd 2005 to Colorado
f) Ballard, Nick Boynton and 2nd 2008 to Florida for Olli Jokinen to Phoenix
g) 2nd 2008 (Jared Staal) and 2009 4th to Phoenix for 2nd 2008 to Florida
h) Staal to Carolina for Louis Domingue to Phoenix

Jordan Staal
b) Duchene and and Denis Chasse to St. Louis for Bob Bassen, Garth Butcher and Ron Sutter to Quebec
c) Duchesne to Ottawa for 2nd 1996 to St. Louis
d) 2nd 1996 (Corey Sarich), Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre and 3rd 1997 to Buffalo for Yuri Khmylev and 8th 1996 to St. Louis
e) Sarich, Brian Holzinger, Wayne Primeau and 3rd 2000 to Tampa Bay for Chris Gratton and 2nd 2001 to Buffalo
f) Gratton and 4th 2004 to Phoenix for Daniel Briere and 3rd 2004 (Andrej Sekera) to Buffalo
g) 4th 2004 and 2nd 2004 to Edmonton for Jason Chimera and 3rd 2004 to Phoenix
h) 3rd 2004 and Danny Markov to Carolina for David Tanabe and Igor Knyazev to Phoenix
i) Markov to Philadelphia for Justin Williams to Carolina
j) Williams to Los Angeles for Patrick O’Sullivan and 2nd 2009 (Brian Dumoulin) to Carolina
k) Dumoulin, Brandon Sutter and 1st 2012 to Pittsburgh for Jordan Staal to Carolina


The complete cast of characters that became Hurricanes property as a direct result of the Lindros trade:
Ryan Carter
Mike Commodore
Joe Corvo
Matt Cullen
Chris Dingman
Brian Dumoulin
Patrick Eaves
Andrew Hutchinson
Matt Kennedy
Andrei Kovalenko
Curtis Leschyschyn
Danny Markov
Brock McGinn
Riley Nash
Greg Nemisz
Oskar Osala
Patrick O'Sullivan
Alexandre Picard
Justin Pogge
Brian Pothier
Bobby Sanguinetti
Andrej Sekera
Jordan Staal
Cory Stillman
Brett Sutter
Aaron Ward
Kevin Weekes
Ian White
Justin Williams

 

[garnetpalmetto]

So, one of the big projects I've been working on lately is a complete "family tree" of the Eric Lindros trade. I've worked it out for every team and will roll it out on the main board soon, but will drop the Hurricanes folks here first.

I only counted connections via a series of trades extending directly back to the Lindros deal. No waivers, FA signings, etc.

The initial trade:

a) Eric Lindros to the Philadelphia Flyers for Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextall, Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Steve Duchene, a 1993 1st round pick (Jocelyn Thibault), a 1994 1st round pick (later traded), and $15,000,000 cash.


Brock McGinn and Brett Sutter
a) Duchene and and Denis Chasse to St. Louis for Bob Bassen, Garth Butcher and Ron Sutter to Quebec
b) Butcher, Mats Sundin, Todd Warriner and 1st 1994 to Toronto for Wendel Clark, Sylvain Lefebvre, Landon Wilson and 1st 1994 (Jeff Kealty) to Quebec
c) Clark to the Islanders for Claude Lemieux to Colorado
d) Lemieux, 1st 2000, (David Hale) and 2nd 2000 to New Jersey for Brian Rolston and 1st 2000 to Colorado
e) Hale and 5th 2007 to Calgary for 3rd 2007 (Nick Palmieri) to New Jersey
f) 5th 2007 and 5th 2007 to Buffalo for 4th 2007 (Keith Aulie) to Calgary
g) Aulie, Dion Phaneuf and Fredrik Sjostrom to Toronto for Ian White, Matt Stajan, Niklas Hagman and Jamal Mayers to Calgary
h) White and Brett Sutter to Carolina for Anton Babchuk and Tom Kostopolous to Calgary
i) White to San Jose for 2nd 2012 (Brock McGinn) to Carolina


Riley Nash
b) Duchene and and Denis Chasse to St. Louis for Bob Bassen, Garth Butcher and Ron Sutter to Quebec
c) Duchesne to Ottawa for 2nd 1996 to St. Louis
d) 2nd 1996 (Corey Sarich), Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre and 3rd 1997 to Buffalo for Yuri Khmylev and 8th 1996 to St. Louis
e) Sarich, Brian Holzinger, Wayne Primeau and 3rd 2000 to Tampa Bay for Chris Gratton and 2nd 2001 to Buffalo
f) Gratton and 4th 2004 to Phoenix for Daniel Briere and 3rd 2004 (Andrej Sekera) to Buffalo
g) 4th 2004 and 2nd 2004 to Edmonton for Jason Chimera and 3rd 2004 to Phoenix
h) 3rd 2004 and Danny Markov to Carolina for David Tanabe and Igor Knyazev to Phoenix
i) 3rd 2004 to Phoenix for 3rd 2005 to Carolina
j) 3rd 2005 to Nashville for Andrew Hutchinson to Carolina
k) Hutchinson, Joe Barnes and 3rd 2008 (Evgeny Grachev) to Rangers for Matt Cullen to Carolina
l) Cullen to Columbus for Alexandre Picard and 2nd 2010 to Carolina
m) 2nd 2010 to Edmonton for Riley Nash to Carolina

Greg Nemisz
b) Duchene and and Denis Chasse to St. Louis for Bob Bassen, Garth Butcher and Ron Sutter to Quebec
c) Butcher, Mats Sundin, Todd Warriner and 1st 1994 to Toronto for Wendel Clark, Sylvain Lefebvre, Landon Wilson and 1st 1994 (Jeff Kealty) to Quebec
d) 1st 1994 (Nolan Baumgartner) and Rob Pearson to Washington for Mike Ridley and 1st 1994 to Toronto
e) Ridley to Vancouver for Sergio Momesso to Toronto
f) Momesso and Bill Berg to Rangers for Nick Kypreos and Wayne Presley to Toronto
g) Berg and 2nd 1999 to Ottawa for Stan Neckar to Rangers
h) 2nd 1999 (Jordan Leopold) to ANA for 2nd 1999 and 7th 1999 to Ottawa
i) Leopold to Calgary for Andrei Nazarov and 2nd 2001 to Anaheim
j) Leopold, 2nd 2006 and 2nd 2007 to Colorado for Alex Tanguay to Calgary
k) Tanguay and 5th 2008 to Montreal for 1st 2008 (Greg Nemisz) and 2nd 2009 to Calgary
l) Nemisz to Carolina for Kevin Westgarth to Calgary

Oskar Osala and Justin Shugg
b) Ricci and 2nd 1998 to San Jose for Shean Donovan and 1st 1998 (Alex Tanguay) to Colorado
c) 2nd 1998, 5th 2000 and Kay Whitmore to Buffalo for Steve Shields, 4th 1998 to San Jose
d) Shields, Jeff Friesen and 2nd 2003 to Anaheim for Teemu Selanne to San Jose
e) Friesen, Oleg Tverdovsky and Maxim Balmochnykh to New Jersey for Petr Sykora, Mike Commodore, J.F. Damphousse, and Igor Pohanka to Anaheim
f) Commodore and Damphousse to Calgary for Rob Niedermayer to Anaheim
g) Commodore to Carolina for 3rd 2005 (Gord Baldwin) to Calgary
h) Commodore and Cory Stillman to Ottawa for Joe Corvo and Patrick Eaves to Carolina
i) Eaves and 4th 2010 to Boston for Aaron Ward to Carolina
j) Ward to Anaheim for Justin Pogge and 4th 2010 (Justin Shugg) to Carolina
k) Corvo to WAS for Oskar Osala, Brian Pothier and 2nd 2011 to CAR

Andrej Sekera
b) Duchene and and Denis Chasse to St. Louis for Bob Bassen, Garth Butcher and Ron Sutter to Quebec
c) Duchesne to Ottawa for 2nd 1996 to St. Louis
d) 2nd 1996 (Corey Sarich), Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre and 3rd 1997 to Buffalo for Yuri Khmylev and 8th 1996 to St. Louis
e) Sarich, Brian Holzinger, Wayne Primeau and 3rd 2000 to Tampa Bay for Chris Gratton and 2nd 2001 to Buffalo
f) Gratton and 4th 2004 to Phoenix for Daniel Briere and 3rd 2004 (Andrej Sekera) to Buffalo
g) Sekera to Carolina for Jamie McBain and 2nd 2013 (JT Compher) to Buffalo

Jared Staal
b) Hextall and 1st 1993 to Islanders for Mark Fitzpatrick and 1st 1993 (Adam Deadmarsh) to Quebec
c) Deadmarsh, Aaron Miller, Jared Aulin, 1st 2001 and 1st 2003 to Los Angeles for Rob Blake and Steven Reinprecht to Colorado
d) Reinprecht and Rhett Warrener to Buffalo for Keith Ballard to Colorado
e) Ballard and Derek Morris to Phoenix for Chris Gratton, Ossi Vaananen and 2nd 2005 to Colorado
f) Ballard, Nick Boynton and 2nd 2008 to Florida for Olli Jokinen to Phoenix
g) 2nd 2008 (Jared Staal) and 2009 4th to Phoenix for 2nd 2008 to Florida
h) Staal to Carolina for Louis Domingue to Phoenix

Jordan Staal
b) Duchene and and Denis Chasse to St. Louis for Bob Bassen, Garth Butcher and Ron Sutter to Quebec
c) Duchesne to Ottawa for 2nd 1996 to St. Louis
d) 2nd 1996 (Corey Sarich), Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre and 3rd 1997 to Buffalo for Yuri Khmylev and 8th 1996 to St. Louis
e) Sarich, Brian Holzinger, Wayne Primeau and 3rd 2000 to Tampa Bay for Chris Gratton and 2nd 2001 to Buffalo
f) Gratton and 4th 2004 to Phoenix for Daniel Briere and 3rd 2004 (Andrej Sekera) to Buffalo
g) 4th 2004 and 2nd 2004 to Edmonton for Jason Chimera and 3rd 2004 to Phoenix
h) 3rd 2004 and Danny Markov to Carolina for David Tanabe and Igor Knyazev to Phoenix
i) Markov to Philadelphia for Justin Williams to Carolina
j) Williams to Los Angeles for Patrick O’Sullivan and 2nd 2009 (Brian Dumoulin) to Carolina
k) Dumoulin, Brandon Sutter and 1st 2012 to Pittsburgh for Jordan Staal to Carolina


The complete cast of characters that became Hurricanes property as a direct result of the Lindros trade:
Ryan Carter
Mike Commodore
Joe Corvo
Matt Cullen
Chris Dingman
Brian Dumoulin
Patrick Eaves
Andrew Hutchinson
Matt Kennedy
Andrei Kovalenko
Curtis Leschyschyn
Danny Markov
Brock McGinn
Riley Nash
Greg Nemisz
Oskar Osala
Patrick O'Sullivan
Alexandre Picard
Justin Pogge
Brian Pothier
Bobby Sanguinetti
Andrej Sekera
Jordan Staal
Cory Stillman
Brett Sutter
Aaron Ward
Kevin Weekes
Ian White
Justin Williams

Impressively ran to ground, THH. One question I've got though is your summary list - how do you figure Stiller became our property as a direct result of the trade? We first acquired him through free agency and then acquired him via trade with Florida for Ryan Carter and our 2011 5th rounder. I'm not quite sure how he became our property via the trade in the sense that we acquired him via any of the pieces in the trade or their trade progeny.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Impressively ran to ground, THH. One question I've got though is your summary list - how do you figure Stiller became our property as a direct result of the trade? We first acquired him through free agency and then acquired him via trade with Florida for Ryan Carter and our 2011 5th rounder. I'm not quite sure how he became our property via the trade in the sense that we acquired him via any of the pieces in the trade or their trade progeny.

I'm guessing either Carter or the 5th rounder came from Lindros...

 

[Oogie Boogie]

I remember one time when I posted something on the Hurricanes Facebook page and someone wanted to know if I was the same Justin Williams as the one who played on the team.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

I'm guessing either Carter or the 5th rounder came from Lindros...

Ah hah. There we go. We got Carter for Stefan Chaput and Matt Kennedy. We got Kennedy from Edmonton's 2009 5th from the Cole-POS-Williams trade. And it all fits.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I remember one time when I posted something on the Hurricanes Facebook page and someone wanted to know if I was the same Justin Williams as the one who played on the team.

Are you?

--hank

 

[Oogie Boogie]

Are you?

--hank

That's a secret

 

[Vagrant]

Are you?

--hank

Quite an omission. I am going to assume until further information that it's a probably.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

Gillis just got canned