Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
I guess you guys were due for a (future) Long Island superstar to root for you guys after Fox. 
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LeapOnOver
Mackenzie is a hack!
Almost makes me want to tank for the kid, lol.I guess you guys were due for a (future) Long Island superstar to root for you guys after Fox.
doublechili
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If he plays in college we'll only have to wait until around 2029 when he forces a trade to the Isles.
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The magic power is to combine selling action as winning even though it never completes the journey and take advantage of the Canadian mindset to accept authority . . . LOL
I'm just guessing here, since I can't find the contract info anywhere. But, my guess is they are on short term deals (1-2 years) for more money than the AHL pay for an ELC (say, 150-300k somewhere) or with fatty signing bonuses. Or both.
I don't think an AHL contract secures NHL rights, so they would be UFA again immediately after their contracts are up. It also isn't subject to ELC rules, so there are no limits on the salary or signing bonues for it. If O'Brien and Mastrisimone believe that in any scenario they are highly unlikely to play in the NHL more than a few games over the contract's length, then it makes sense they'd feel they would make more money for that time by signing this sort of deal. And hopefully during the contract they can prove they can play at the pro level and increase their market value.
Longer term, they'll be able to test UFA again much sooner than if they signed an NHL contract, and at that point they'll be more proven and have shorter requirements for the ELC. Next summer, O'Brien could sign an ELC for as short as 1 year, and Mastrosimone for 2 years, and the summer after that Mastrisimone could sign a 1 year ELC and O'Brien would be free from ELC requirements.
And for the Leafs it makes sense since that extra money spent is nothing to them. And though they don't secure their longterm rights, they do get to see how they adjust to their systems and fit in within the organization, while having exclusive negotiation rights -- I believe that at any point both sides agree to it, the Leafs can void the contract and sign them to an ELC.
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Richie Daggers Crime
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Also, there's about a half dozen teams that just have it over the rest of the league when it comes to signing players.
It's an exclusive club, and you ain't in it.
Yes, both are one-year deals.
I'm not sure what the contract limits may or may not be in the AHL. We know that's regulated for NHL players coming in on their first contract. Even the bonuses.
They'll be UFAs again next summer.
My initial thought is that the Leafs said, "We'd like to add you, but are in a heavy pinch. Things will look different next summer. Join the organization now and we get to see if you can be one of the answers with an ELC next summer."
Other teams out there definitely had quicker and more promising pathways to the NHL to offer.
Well, that would seem to make sense for every team.
The benefit here for the Leafs organization is clear.
Just bugs me that they get to have that kind of influence with a couple of kids who had absolutely no connection to that organization and are consigning themselves to a year of minor league hockey right off the bat.
At the end of the day, it's exactly like as @Richie Daggers Crime pointed out.
Just feels like the exclusive club only really consists of the Make Beliefs and Rag$.
What I'd love to know is if Mastrosimone and O'Brien had actual ELC offers and took these deals instead?
Richie Daggers Crime
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My guess is that if you took a look at players limited no-trade clauses and they had 6 teams to choose from, 3-4 of those top 5-6 destinations would show up on 75% of them.
Agreed. And that actually seems like a "cautious" estimation to me.
NYI365
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Whoa that's wild. Went to middle school and graduated in '09 in Merrick and one of my English teachers/lacrosse coach was a young guy at the time named Mr. Hagens. Big Islanders fan and involved in ice hockey and I remember talking to him about them all the time. I wonder if this kid is his son.I guess you guys were due for a (future) Long Island superstar to root for you guys after Fox.
NYI365
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Dolan can’t lose. Either the Garden stays put, which is what I think ultimately happens, or he gets a brand new state of the art arena probably on 54th St and 11th Ave in Hell’s Kitchen.Dolan family showdown with NYC over MSG ‘special permit’ set for Monday
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Kansas City Rangers has a hell of a ring to it don't you think??
Mr Misunderstood
Must win.
How will this negatively affect the Islanders? We all know Dolan is and always has been the cause of all our problems.
There’s one lunatic with a Dolan fetish on X who can answer all your Rags questions.
Thanks for confirming on the terms. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure there are no limits on AHL contracts, even for first year players. I can't find a source that specifically addresses an ELC for AHL contracts, but that there appears to be no mention of them anywhere, even on the AHL CBA FAQ, leads me to believe that ELCs only apply to NHL contracts. I did find that in the AHL CBA FAQ, it does answer the question "Is there a maximum amount a player can earn?" by simply saying "There is no maximum salary a player in the AHL can earn." So, as far as I can tell, there are no rules that would restrict what the Leafs could offer them.
Thanks again for confirming that. It's possible they said that, but I don't really know that the Leafs are in a bind that would prevent them from signing either to an ELC. ELCs are fully buriable in the AHL, so it wouldn't affect them as far as the cap goes. If they signed both to ELCs, it would put them a bit close to the contract limit at 49, but it also seems like they could easily dump a contract on an AHLer or two to keep some buffer there.
While I agree that other teams likely had quicker and more promising pathways to the NHL, I don't think there are any teams they'd be likely to play more than a few games in the NHL with this season. And if those teams were not willing to pay as much as Toronto was on an AHL deal or were only offering an ELC which would limit their AHL earnings, they'd make less money this year. And they could still sign with those teams next summer when they are closer to being NHL ready.
It does make sense for every team, but I suspect most interested teams were offering ELCs to try to lock up their rights. Also, if it was the case that all other interested teams were also offering AHL deals, then that'd lead to a bidding war that could get too rich for some, especially considering these kids are completely unproven in the pros, and maybe the Leafs simply had the highest offer at the end of the day.
I generally agree on the whole thing about there being some teams that always have a huge advantage when it comes to signing UFAs. But with the Leafs, I feel that mostly applies to Canadian players, so I'm less inclined to make that assumption when it comes to American players. But it also could be that simple.
doublechili
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Waiting for some NHL GM to sign an older star player to an NHL minimum contract for their last season or two, and then when they're "done" sign them to a $5M AHL contract.
LeapOnOver
Mackenzie is a hack!
Had no idea Sean Avery is in Oppenheimer, lol. Haven't seen it. That cracks me up. Did anybody else recognize him while watching it?
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I did notice him but he's in it for a few seconds so it was more of a "was that Sean Avery?" and then I had to double check after.
Richie Daggers Crime
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I didn't notice him. I spent most of the movie trying to keep track of the 120 main people in it.
I didn't, but... consider me among those who thought the movie was at least 1 hour too long, forgettable, and annoying. Three problems with the moving much bigger than Sean Avery being in it: (i) It tries to squeeze two major plots (a) management of nuc development program, (b) post-war anti-communist paranoia into one movie, and fails, (ii) constant pounding noises to demonstrate something about Oppenheimer's experience causes pounding headaches for viewers, and (iii) misses every most important contemporary upshot/lessons about both nucs and the red scare. (An aside: only a non-Jew would make a movie where the loyalty of several Jews are questioned in the red scare regardless of whether Jewishness was important to the Jews whose loyalty were impugned even when a Jew was used to impugn that loyalty. It's a bizarre omission. Edward Teller is the Roy Cohn of physics.)
If you want to watch a movie a bout a neuro-atypical genius who was a war hero, but was turned on by his own country afterwards, watch 'The Imitation Game' (about Alan Turing) instead. It also doesn't have Sean Avery in it.
attilatheislander
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Sean Avery pursuing acting after hockey makes sense. Athletes, like Richard Sherman and Sean Avery, who cultivate the villain persona incorporate some theater in their sport.
As an Islanders' fan, I detest Avery more than any other Ranger. From an entertainment perspective, that made him the perfect Ranger. I read half of Avery's book (I'm sure it was ghostwritten) and enjoyed his storytelling. He brought to life what it's like to be an NHL player.
As an Islanders' fan, I detest Avery more than any other Ranger. From an entertainment perspective, that made him the perfect Ranger. I read half of Avery's book (I'm sure it was ghostwritten) and enjoyed his storytelling. He brought to life what it's like to be an NHL player.
LeapOnOver
Mackenzie is a hack!
islesfan186
YES! YES! YES!
He’s also in Lioness. Had like a brief part as one of the Delta guys in the bar in episode 2 or 3
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