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John Tavares ‘didn’t do anything wrong,’ doesn’t deserve Islanders fans’ scorn: Garth Snow

Confirms what I was told at the time: Garth wanted to trade JT, ownership said no.
It comes off like he's as craven and petty as it seemed at the time he was GM.

All it took was one person saying "I love it here but I miss my family back home. I am starting my own family soon and want my family to grow up where I grew up. For the franchise that took me in when I was 18 please do what is best for this franchise. I will only be inconvenienced for a few short months."
That would have been immensely stupid of him to do.
 
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All it took was one person saying "I love it here but I miss my family back home. I am starting my own family soon and want my family to grow up where I grew up. For the franchise that took me in when I was 18 please do what is best for this franchise. I will only be inconvenienced for a few short months."
During that season, Lou was the GM of the Leafs. There is not way in hell, Lou as GM of the Leafs was signing Tavares - he was shoring up the depth and defense, not gonna waste cap another forward.

Then, Lou gets moved out for Dumbo. The entire Tavares situation changed at that moment. The interview period was the perfect play for his agent to stroke the Toronto media about the possibility.

Tavares kept his options open probably because his agent told him to and let’s see what happens because of the interview period that allowed the agent to control the messaging. In the end, it worked. (And the interview window was abolished…).
 
And honestly, this is an overpay too. Should have been $1.65M then $2.25M
 
This should get William Nylander traded for sure.

He'll get 4 years at $10M so we can laugh even harder at hose scmucks up north.

Marner is the big winner though, he easily gets $13M in his next deal. He is just as greedy as Matthews, probably more.
 
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This should get William Nylander traded for sure.

The deal doesn't kick in until next season but they're ~$3M over the cap right now so something has to happen.

If they can get below the cap without moving Nylander now they could let Brodie and Klingberg expire, replace them with me and you, and then replace Bertuzzi and Domi with two other posters on here and they'd be all set.
 
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The deal doesn't kick in until next season but they're ~$3M over the cap right now so something has to happen.

If they can get below the cap without moving Nylander now they could let Brodie and Klingberg expire, replace them with me and you, and then replace Bertuzzi and Domi with two other posters on here and they'd be all set.
Then the top heavy Leafs become even more top heavy. One line, a 2nd center, and a bunch of plugs.

Keep a rolodex with nothing but EBUGS in it. They won’t be able to afford an AHL callup.
 
Then the top heavy Leafs become even more top heavy. One line, a 2nd center, and a bunch of plugs.

Keep a rolodex with nothing but EBUGS in it. They won’t be able to afford an AHL callup.

It'll be like a beer league team icing 5 guys and a goalie soon enough.
 
And honestly, this is an overpay too. Should have been $1.65M then $2.25M


What a joke of a contract for a #1 OA pick who many touted as a generational talent.

What will the Rags fanboys say now? I’m guessing they’ll be patting Drury on the back saying he’s a great negotiator rather than facing the fact the ceiling for Laf is a middle 6 plug.

Well I’m gonna find out. I’m off to lurk on the Rags board. :popcorn:
 
What a joke of a contract for a #1 OA pick who many touted as a generational talent.

What will the Rags fanboys say now? I’m guessing they’ll be patting Drury on the back saying he’s a great negotiator rather than facing the fact the ceiling for Laf is a middle 6 plug.

Well I’m gonna find out. I’m off to lurk on the Rags board. :popcorn:
What other team can boast about having a former first round pick signed for $2.35M AAV?
 
This should get William Nylander traded for sure.
Maybe, but not necessarily. When this and Nylander's new deal would kick, they currently have ~33mil in capspace, assuming the cap rises as expected next year. Even if Nylander gers say, 10 of that, that leaves 23 million. They will have a lot of roster spots to fill, needing at least 3 dmen (probably two top 4 ones), 4 forwards (probably two for the top 6), and two goalies just to round out the minimum 20 man roster. So that would put them in quite a bind, but not impossible.

So, assuming they can make the move to get under the cap this season without moving Nylander, which is difficult, but likely still doable, then they could realistically keep him. But given what it would to their ability to build an adequate blue line or fill out their bottom 6 depth, it may not be a good idea to do so. But Toronto loves its star power, so even if it's a bad idea, I could see them doing it.
 
The deal doesn't kick in until next season but they're ~$3M over the cap right now so something has to happen.

If they can get below the cap without moving Nylander now they could let Brodie and Klingberg expire, replace them with me and you, and then replace Bertuzzi and Domi with two other posters on here and they'd be all set.
Personally don't think it'll be that bad for them if they keep Nylander, assuming they can figure how to get under the cap this year. As things stand, if the cap rises as expected, then they'll have something like 33 mil next summer. Let's say 10 of that goes to Nylander's extension, which leaves 23mil for 4 forwards, 3 defenseman, 2 goalies, and 3 healthy scratches (assuming a 23 man roster). That is of course super tight, and not ideal, but definitely doable.

Maybe Brodie takes a little discount and they get him at 4mil, find another top 4 guy for 4mil or less, and a bottom pairing guy for 1.5mil, and that's 9.5mil to shore up the D. Then for forwards, considering the two top 6 wingers they add will get to play with either Matthews-Nylander or Tavares-Marner, they can go cheap here, so let's say the two forwards for the top 6 at an average of 3m, and then two for the bottom 6 at an average of 1.5m, and that puts them at 15.5m added. Leaves 7.5m for the two goalies and the healthy scratches, which is definitely doable. If they can re-sign Ilya at 4m, a backup for 1m, 3 players at 800k, that's 7.4m, bringing them just under the cap.

While that's obviously not an ideal situation, it's just for the one year, and then Tavares is off the books and 11mil more frees up, and then they can really try to balance out their lineup.
 
Personally don't think it'll be that bad for them if they keep Nylander, assuming they can figure how to get under the cap this year. As things stand, if the cap rises as expected, then they'll have something like 33 mil next summer. Let's say 10 of that goes to Nylander's extension, which leaves 23mil for 4 forwards, 3 defenseman, 2 goalies, and 3 healthy scratches (assuming a 23 man roster). That is of course super tight, and not ideal, but definitely doable.

Maybe Brodie takes a little discount and they get him at 4mil, find another top 4 guy for 4mil or less, and a bottom pairing guy for 1.5mil, and that's 9.5mil to shore up the D. Then for forwards, considering the two top 6 wingers they add will get to play with either Matthews-Nylander or Tavares-Marner, they can go cheap here, so let's say the two forwards for the top 6 at an average of 3m, and then two for the bottom 6 at an average of 1.5m, and that puts them at 15.5m added. Leaves 7.5m for the two goalies and the healthy scratches, which is definitely doable. If they can re-sign Ilya at 4m, a backup for 1m, 3 players at 800k, that's 7.4m, bringing them just under the cap.

While that's obviously not an ideal situation, it's just for the one year, and then Tavares is off the books and 11mil more frees up, and then they can really try to balance out their lineup.

It forces them to go with budget options at every other position, which they seem to have to do more and more. Is it possible they do that? Yeah, absolutely. They'd be punting another season waiting for the Tavares contract to come off the books, pay Marner, and then re-stock the rest of the lineup...while only having two more years of Matthews before he's due for another deal. They're in a really tough spot even though they're a good team.
 
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It forces them to go with budget options at every other position, which they seem to have to do more and more. Is it possible they do that? Yeah, absolutely. They'd be punting another season waiting for the Tavares contract to come off the books, pay Marner, and then re-stock the rest of the lineup...while only having two more years of Matthews before he's due for another deal. They're in a really tough spot even though they're a good team.
Keeping Nylander now, and possibly signing him to what should amount to a contract extension in the $8M/yr neighborhood next year takes away the Leafs roster flexibility. Trading him would open up more wiggle room under the cap and get a decent return of a top prospect and a solid goaltender or a top 4 defenseman, which are the Leafs immediate needs.
 
Keeping Nylander now, and possibly signing him to what should amount to a contract extension in the $8M/yr neighborhood next year takes away the Leafs roster flexibility. Trading him would open up more wiggle room under the cap and get a decent return of a top prospect and a solid goaltender or a top 4 defenseman, which are the Leafs immediate needs.
$8 million? You're out of touch! He'll NEVER sign for that.
 
It forces them to go with budget options at every other position, which they seem to have to do more and more. Is it possible they do that? Yeah, absolutely. They'd be punting another season waiting for the Tavares contract to come off the books, pay Marner, and then re-stock the rest of the lineup...while only having two more years of Matthews before he's due for another deal. They're in a really tough spot even though they're a good team.
I agree, but it's what they've done every year for the past 4 seasons now, so doing one more year of it does sound likely to me. If I was them, I would view this season as the "go all in" season, the following one as a bit of a retool season, and then back to going all in after that. So, assuming there is a way to get under the cap for this season, I'd only trade Nylander in a deal I felt made the team better now and in two years. That doesn't mean I think they definitely won't trade him, but just that I think if they do it would be a hockey trade and not purely a cap deal. Unless of course Nylander is committed to going UFA and isn't willing to negotiate an extension, I guess.

Also worth noting, they'll still have 3 years on Matthews' new contract left when Tavares' deal expires.
 
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