News and Notes Thread VII: Ch ch ch changes

[Joe McGrath]

McBain not even qualified. Hoo boy.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

mcbain want return a penguine

 

[Identity404]

LOL McBain.

Almost feel a little bad for Honey Boo Boo.

The guy has all the tools, just missing the toolbox. I was rooting for him to put it together in Buffalo.

 

[TheOllieC]

Tim Gleason placed on buyout waivers.

The return of #timgleson

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Tim Gleason placed on buyout waivers.

The return of #timgleson

I actually wouldn't mind that for a reasonable contract.

Would anyone else take him for ~$2mil a year, maybe 2 years?

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

Not surprising. Gleason can hardly move on the ice. So slow its painful to watch.

 

[Identity404]

McBain and Gleason want return a Cane.

 

[Novacane]

Can we give them Liles back?

 

[Novacane]

isn't there golf or some important ACC happening going on? maybe a scrabble tournament? they are busy.

It appears Luke is too busy judging from afar:

Luke DeCock ‏@LukeDeCock 8m
Jamie McBain not qualified, Gleason on buyout waivers. Both bounced after a season (or less) by new teams after leaving Hurricanes.

Luke DeCock ‏@LukeDeCock 4m
Toss in the guys who never played in the NHL again (LaRose, Brent, etc) and it's an example of how Canes overestimated roster for years.

Luke DeCock ‏@LukeDeCock 50s
Unfortunately, given the lack of movement so far this summer, feels like the new regime could be falling into the same trap.


Now Chip, I have no idea what he's doing.

 

[Zezima]

I actually wouldn't mind that for a reasonable contract.

Would anyone else take him for ~$2mil a year, maybe 2 years?

No.

.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Defensemen that played 10+ games for Carolina in 2012/13:

Tim Gleason: Being bought out
Jamie McBain: Not Qualified
Joni Pitkanen: Likely to never play again (although only played ~20 games in that year)
Bobby Sanguinetti: Out of NHL
MAB: Out of NHL
Joe Corvo: Likely out of the NHL (was a frequent scratch this year)
Jay Harrison: 6/7 guy at BEST
Justin Faulk: In his sophmore season at the time.

Is it any wonder they sucked?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Just to be contrarian... if RF doesn't see any UFAs that he and Peters desperately want then why clear cap space at all costs.

That's a good point. The UFA market isn't very strong this year, and if the past few years are any indication there are going to be a lot of dumb deals signed tomorrow. It may be that the team has a pretty good handle on who they will and will not have a shot at signing, and none of them require us to move Cam in order to be competitive. In that case, it would make more sense to wait and hope he recovers some value and/or becomes our top goalie again.

McBain not even qualified. Hoo boy.

Tim Gleason placed on buyout waivers.

Well at least we didn't get jokinen'd in those moves.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

I'm not sure if I agree with Luke there. There's a time to make moves, but what we don't want is to be making moves just for the sake of making moves.

Only issue I have so far is not getting out in front of this Ward situation, which could end up real bad.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

It appears Luke is too busy judging from afar:

Luke DeCock ‏@LukeDeCock 50s
Unfortunately, given the lack of movement so far this summer, feels like the new regime could be falling into the same trap.
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What "lack of movement" is he speaking to since we haven't hit UFA period yet. That said.

1) Bellemore, Malhotra, Dvorak, Komisarek, Peters all going to UFA.
2) Bowman, Boychuk, Loktionov possibly not being qualified (TBD).
3) Nobody would really take guys like Harrison and Liles (and probably Ward with his contract), so Canes are stuck with them.

That leaves Staal, Staal, Semin, Tlusty, Skinner, Gerbe, Dwyer and Nash on offense and Faulk, Sekera, Hainsy and Murphy on D. Other than maybe Tlusty, Dwyer and Nash...what real options are there Luke?

 

[Identity404]

Luke is a bit overly negative with his tweets. LaRose and Brent aren't even good examples for his case.

Brent played out his contract and wasn't resigned. LaRose just seemed to want to take a break from hockey. I see no reason why he wouldn't have been able to get another NHL contract. He is rumored to want to play again this year, though he might have to go the tryout route since he has taken a year off.

 

[Vagrant]

Luke is right. If JR was still the GM you guys would probably be collectively bemoaning how little on this roster actually stands to change, but since it's Francis and the shiny new toy syndrome hasn't worn away it's business as usual. Same with the draft that looked remarkably like a JR draft with a few deviations. Keeping Ward when Calgary reportedly had some level of interest is absurd. I don't care if you have to retain to get it done. It needed to happen.

You guys are being satisfied by words and that's unfortunate after so many years of futility. Look at what Yzerman is doing in Tampa. Agree or disagree with the individual moves he has made, it represents a vision he has for his team. Where is the vision here, aside from emphasizing the same pieces and hoping for a different result?

 

[Oogie Boogie]

Luke is right. If JR was still the GM you guys would probably be collectively bemoaning how little on this roster actually stands to change, but since it's Francis and the shiny new toy syndrome hasn't worn away it's business as usual. Same with the draft that looked remarkably like a JR draft with a few deviations. Keeping Ward when Calgary reportedly had some level of interest is absurd. I don't care if you have to retain to get it done. It needed to happen.

You guys are being satisfied by words and that's unfortunate after so many years of futility. Look at what Yzerman is doing in Tampa. Agree or disagree with the individual moves he has made, it represents a vision he has for his team. Where is the vision here, aside from emphasizing the same pieces and hoping for a different result?

Preach it

 

[tarheelhockey]

Luke is right. If JR was still the GM you guys would probably be collectively bemoaning how little on this roster actually stands to change, but since it's Francis and the shiny new toy syndrome hasn't worn away it's business as usual. Same with the draft that looked remarkably like a JR draft with a few deviations. Keeping Ward when Calgary reportedly had some level of interest is absurd. I don't care if you have to retain to get it done. It needed to happen.

You guys are being satisfied by words and that's unfortunate after so many years of futility. Look at what Yzerman is doing in Tampa. Agree or disagree with the individual moves he has made, it represents a vision he has for his team. Where is the vision here, aside from emphasizing the same pieces and hoping for a different result?

Regarding the bolded -- it was known in advance that this essentially WAS a Rutherford draft. He still worked here until three weeks ago. Presumably he was guiding Francis through the process until he left for Pittsburgh. Francis came out and said clearly that this would be the last draft under the old vision, and that strategic changes would begin going forward.

We don't know how much the roster stands to change. It's not even 7/1 yet. Keeping Ward may make sense within the context of the UFA market -- we'll know when we see what kind of deals are signed by ourselves and others.

IMO it's much too early in this process to say that Francis lacks a vision. The only thing that he's actually done to date is hire a coach, manage a Rutherford-legacy draft, and let a handful of guys go to free agency.

 

[Novacane]

Luke is right. If JR was still the GM you guys would probably be collectively bemoaning how little on this roster actually stands to change, but since it's Francis and the shiny new toy syndrome hasn't worn away it's business as usual. Same with the draft that looked remarkably like a JR draft with a few deviations. Keeping Ward when Calgary reportedly had some level of interest is absurd. I don't care if you have to retain to get it done. It needed to happen.

You guys are being satisfied by words and that's unfortunate after so many years of futility. Look at what Yzerman is doing in Tampa. Agree or disagree with the individual moves he has made, it represents a vision he has for his team. Where is the vision here, aside from emphasizing the same pieces and hoping for a different result?

Maybe if Luke actually looked into things we could get a clearer picture as to what is happening. So far all we're getting out of him is pure speculation that we're not going to do anything.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Luke is right. If JR was still the GM you guys would probably be collectively bemoaning how little on this roster actually stands to change, but since it's Francis and the shiny new toy syndrome hasn't worn away it's business as usual. Same with the draft that looked remarkably like a JR draft with a few deviations. Keeping Ward when Calgary reportedly had some level of interest is absurd. I don't care if you have to retain to get it done. It needed to happen.

You guys are being satisfied by words and that's unfortunate after so many years of futility. Look at what Yzerman is doing in Tampa. Agree or disagree with the individual moves he has made, it represents a vision he has for his team. Where is the vision here, aside from emphasizing the same pieces and hoping for a different result?

Dammit Ron Francis, this team hasn't changed enough in the 3 months since you've taken over?

Seriously dude? He's been on the job for 3 months. People are already talking about how dumb the Wesley pick was. No one's giving Francis a pass, but we are giving him some leeway, because he's taking over a horrible team. No one's going to excuse continued futility if a plan isn't in place. However, in what it's possible for him to have shown so far he HAS shown a vision. We drafted for size, we're not qualifying any of the spare parts that JR's kept around for years, and we've already started fielding offers for Eric Staal.

I agree with you on most things, Vagrant, but I think you're quite off base on both this and the Fleury pick.

 

[faulkingdynamic]

Luke is right. If JR was still the GM you guys would probably be collectively bemoaning how little on this roster actually stands to change, but since it's Francis and the shiny new toy syndrome hasn't worn away it's business as usual. Same with the draft that looked remarkably like a JR draft with a few deviations. Keeping Ward when Calgary reportedly had some level of interest is absurd. I don't care if you have to retain to get it done. It needed to happen.

You guys are being satisfied by words and that's unfortunate after so many years of futility. Look at what Yzerman is doing in Tampa. Agree or disagree with the individual moves he has made, it represents a vision he has for his team. Where is the vision here, aside from emphasizing the same pieces and hoping for a different result?

So RF should have made changes at all costs...no matter the long standing impact just to prove he isn't JR? Sorry but that isn't the quality leadership we all want here. Francis deserves time to remake this team in his vision. Asking and demanding he do it in his first two months is insane. And if Ward plays well in Calgary and we get nothing but cap space to overpay a terrible UFA class.. this board skewers him. He should be afforded the time the implement his vision. And this draft doesn't look like a JR draft to me... it looks like guys with skating ability, intangibles, and good hockey IQ(something JR never freakin drafted). On top of that...this years scouting process was dictated by JR not Francis

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Anyone that expected a GM to come in and completely clean house on admin, coaching, and players in one fell swoop in a couple months is being unrealistic IMO, Vagrant. I'll reserve judgement in year 2-4 when it's really "his team". I'll also wait to see what the opening day roster looks like and not get all worked up in June.

Secondly, I disagree that this was a JR-esque draft.
1) A JR-esque draft would have drafted Kapanen in round 1 even at #7, not a defenseman.
2) A JR-esque draft would have looked for guys that could potentially contribute right away or traded picks for "more ready NHL players". This draft took guys that will need development time.

Yes, the Plymouth pipeline is similar, although the Wesley pick in round 4) is the only one I'm not happy with but the rest of the draft is not JR like to me.

 

[Vagrant]

Regarding the bolded -- it was known in advance that this essentially WAS a Rutherford draft. He still worked here until three weeks ago. Presumably he was guiding Francis through the process until he left for Pittsburgh. Francis came out and said clearly that this would be the last draft under the old vision, and that strategic changes would begin going forward.

We don't know how much the roster stands to change. It's not even 7/1 yet. Keeping Ward may make sense within the context of the UFA market -- we'll know when we see what kind of deals are signed by ourselves and others.

IMO it's much too early in this process to say that Francis lacks a vision. The only thing that he's actually done to date is hire a coach, manage a Rutherford-legacy draft, and let a handful of guys go to free agency.

It's just frustrating because there are other teams making moves to improve their situations. Tampa shed about $13 million in what they considered dead weight with a few moves and came away with some draft picks in the process. Francis has been watching this team for more than a few months. He knows that what we had on the ice last year was damn near toxic. Teams are utilizing waivers and buyouts to position themselves to bring in players that fit their vision. Trades and other things. We're doing none of these things, will be virtually inactive in free agency aside from replacing our 14th and 15th forwards and getting some help for our bottom line.

The frustration is that Francis has *also* come out and said that he liked his group. But nobody really wants to focus on that right now. The change for the sake of change at the helm has quieted the minions who were expecting JR to blow this team up if he was still here. Cam Ward was all but gone in our minds. One of the Staal brothers all but traded. Jeff Skinner perhaps being dangled to change up the makeup of the team. Several different paths that could have been taken. And as long as Ron Francis was sitting at the head of the draft table, the draft picks come down to his final decision. If he didn't like the direction, he could have changed it. All this throwback to Rutherford's mistakes and hand in what this team has done to this point is sparing Francis of any responsibility when he has all the autonomy in the world to make changes if he wants to make them. He just isn't doing it.

The first thing any reputable GM would have done when taking this team over was find a way to make our goaltending costs go down. With what Khudobin did last season, he's a tremendous bet to be a productive player next year. Even saying in house and making Peters his backup would have been advisable to the situation we're in now where we're going to have a few million on the bench every night regardless. Francis was presented with a way out of that nonsense and didn't take it.

 

[faulkingdynamic]

Sidenote since we argued about using a bridge deal over paying young guys up front....interesting tidbit in CBus

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[bleedgreen]

This is Francis's team. He already knows all the players including their weaknesses and strengths. He has no excuse to sit on a losing roster except for arguably the most likely reason jr did nothing. Pk and a budget. He gets no pass for me because he's new on the job tho. He's been part of this team for years. If people are giving away players this season I expect him to find a way to get involved. If we go into next season with mostly the same squad I have no expectations of next season other than the 5-10 pick.