BTW, this is IMO the first time all season that any of the top 3 lines can score. Add the PP to it. If they keep this up, I think we'll start seeing a lot more goals. The D has improved too.
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He has but I still have very little confidence in him. The D has been better too.
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http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlg=20132014,2,669&navid=sb:highlights
highlights of the game, you can find the chance at about 1:45 seconds. breakaway came at 14:12 in the second, so 5:48 seconds in. Lets look at the play by play game log.
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20132014/PL020669.HTM
"MISS NYR #61 NASH, Wrist, Wide of Net, Off. Zone, 12 ft."
Lets look at Nash's shots.
"3 1-1 0-1 1-2
TOT 1-1 0-1 1-2"
He had 2 shots on goal. both during the 3rd period. Now where is this amazing Lehtonen save again?
BlueshirtBlitz
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It was a great move to battle the D and be able to get the stick on the puck.
The shot itself? Who cares, it was a goal.
haohmaru
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Yeah, let's compare the lineups in front of each and talk to me some more.
Please.
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thats all you ever say. I shut you down on every point you make and you run away to "well the men in front were better". Lundqvist that season made AMAZING saves. He wouldnt have to do that if the people in front of him were as good as you claim. This season he doesn't make those AMAZING saves. deal with it.
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Hmmm, it's almost as if leaving your goalie out to dry every game is going to make that goalie look bad!
BlueshirtBlitz
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I didn't see the argument, but you lost any legitimacy when you said "Richter won us a cup" instead of "Richter won a cup with the New York Rangers."
Players don't win teams cups.
Not that it matters, but later in the game they showed a different angle of the Nash breakaway. It showed very clearly that Lehtonen made the save. Certainly wouldn't be the first time a save was mistaken for a missed shot.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
You've "shut me down on every point"? LOL. In your mind, maybe.
You compare Lundqvist to Pouliout, I say it's ludicrous, and you respond with "Richter won us a cup"?
Yeah, nice going, Captain of the Debate Team.
Seriously, if you think either of those goals were "weak" last night the you really need to buy a stick, join a league, and get a clue. Please, choose to be a goaltender in an A league for maximum results.
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You said to only look at the last 6 games and how good lundqvist has been. So I took that to the extreme and said "well we might as well say Pouliot is a HoF PPG player" based on his performance over the same stretch.
Then you talk about vezina blah blah best player in franchise history over his 6 years. Well which do you want?
Then I showed you how much better he really was during his vezina season than this one, and you go back and cry about how bad the D is. Whatever dude. carry on with the lundqvist circle jerk.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
And which Lundqvist backstopped team was comparable to the '93-94 team, exactly? Were any even close?
haohmaru
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I said Lundqvist has been the most consistent goalie in the NHL since 2005-6. He has. It's not really something that's debatable. Comparing something Puoliout has done for 6 games to something Lundqvist has basically done his ENTIRE CAREER is idiocy. Lundqvist has a .917 save % in his last six games and a .920 career save percentage. All I'm saying is that he's back to form and you're bringing up this Pouliout crap which has nothing to do with anything. There's no extreme to take this to. Lundqvist is simply now performing as well as he normally does.
No, you showed me stats from a few games where he had a decidedly lower save % than normal and he's had more of those games this year. If you want to bury your head in the sand and say that the D this year is as good as the D, and the defensive structure in that year, then you simply don't know what you're talking about.
I'm certainly NOT saying that Lundqvist is having a good a season as he should be having but it's also not all on him. The point blank opportunities opponents have had is on the D. The wristers from 35' on the glove side are on Hank.
Except in previous seasons we left him out to dry quite a few times and he'd make the saves. Look at last game, the team played very well in front of him.
aufheben
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The talent level on the '94 team was laughably better than the '12 team. I seem to remember Richter having some not so great moments with good teams in front of him too.
There are some who say Richter lost us the cup in game 5 which gave Vancouver life in the series.
If you actually watched the game and saw the slow-mo replay you would have seen Lehtonen made the save on his shot.
I don't understand what your and half of the boards confusion is about. He is clearly struggling this season which is due both to the change of style of play in front of him as well as the reduction in pad size. It will take time but he will adapt to the changes.
The pad size reduction has more of an impact than just 2 extra inches of pad on the ice. Every single movement and all of his angles he's known throughout his entire hockey life have been changed. This is why earlier in the season he was testing new positioning by coming out further to cut down some of the angle he lost with the pad reduction. The fact that people are calling his career over is ridiculous.
The way that half the board is putting all the blame on him and none on the team in front of him shows how clueless those people are. It doesn't matter if the third or fourth goal of the game was a softie if all we score is one or no goals in the game.
Another thing that a lot of the board seems to be confused about is what is considered a soft goal. Just because he lets in a goal that he would have stopped 75% of the time in previous seasons does not make it soft. He has had zero puck luck this season. The goal last night that was hit out of the air and put through his legs is a perfect example of this. The boards reaction last night was "here we go again". It was an elevated pass about 2 feet off the ice that was going about 3 feet wide of the net that was bat down and in the back of the net in under 1 second.
tldr: Henrik is struggling and he will bounce back. The board needs to get their panties out of a bunch.
Why does every PGT turn into "Lundqvist should have stopped X shot"?
People complain when he loses. People complain when he wins. People complain when he makes a save look too hard. People complain when a goal is too easy.
All bets are off, people will even critique how his hair looks when he walks out onto the ice.
I can care less as long as he puts up reasonable numbers and wins. That's all anyone should care about.
He's won four out of his last six, and he's looked solid in five of his last six (he's posted a .920SV%+ in five of his last six starts).
People complain that he lets up a soft goal every game, and he has been letting up soft goals, but every goaltender does, including Quick, Rinne, etc, and even Talbot (Talbot is on another planet from those two though, he's already entered record shattering elite status).
If Lundqvist should have stopped both against the Stars, you wanted him to have a shutout, and basically anything less than a shutout was unacceptable, which isn't reasonable for any athlete.
People said he wanted that one goal back in Chicago, which means you wanted him to stop 36 out of 37 against the Hawks on the road. Again, unreasonable expectations.
He can't have a shutout or 1 goal game every game. Even the game against the Jets he was rock solid despite letting up 3 goals.
As long as he wins when he is in net, and puts up solid numbers, thats all you can ask for. Not a shutout every other game because he gets paid $8.5m NEXT YEAR.
People should be happy he is improving. It's a good thing. But even as he is steadily improving and starting to find his game, people still want to tear him down because he isn't improving at a rate they're satisfied with? I mean... Really?
People complain when he loses. People complain when he wins. People complain when he makes a save look too hard. People complain when a goal is too easy.
All bets are off, people will even critique how his hair looks when he walks out onto the ice.
I can care less as long as he puts up reasonable numbers and wins. That's all anyone should care about.
He's won four out of his last six, and he's looked solid in five of his last six (he's posted a .920SV%+ in five of his last six starts).
People complain that he lets up a soft goal every game, and he has been letting up soft goals, but every goaltender does, including Quick, Rinne, etc, and even Talbot (Talbot is on another planet from those two though, he's already entered record shattering elite status).
If Lundqvist should have stopped both against the Stars, you wanted him to have a shutout, and basically anything less than a shutout was unacceptable, which isn't reasonable for any athlete.
People said he wanted that one goal back in Chicago, which means you wanted him to stop 36 out of 37 against the Hawks on the road. Again, unreasonable expectations.
He can't have a shutout or 1 goal game every game. Even the game against the Jets he was rock solid despite letting up 3 goals.
As long as he wins when he is in net, and puts up solid numbers, thats all you can ask for. Not a shutout every other game because he gets paid $8.5m NEXT YEAR.
People should be happy he is improving. It's a good thing. But even as he is steadily improving and starting to find his game, people still want to tear him down because he isn't improving at a rate they're satisfied with? I mean... Really?
As bad as this team is, Richter played on much worse teams. I think people forget about the seven year playoff drought (again, more people on here should be grateful to Lundqvist because he and Jagr brought playoff hockey back to the Garden).
Richter and Leetch fell victim to being on one of the worst teams that decade. Richter could have been at 400 wins if he played on even an average team. Leetch could have had another Norris if he played on even an average team.
If anything, I feel Richter is underrated because his numbers could have been that much better if he didn't play on an awful team for as long as he did.
Just picture this Rangers team, but even worse... For seven years.
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Hank has always been left out to dry, and has had worse teams in front of him. I don't really agree with Snowblind but I don't think this is a valid excuse for Hank.
Lundqvist is lucky 2 pucks from the blueline off the rush hit the post or we're talking about one of his worst performances all year.
He's been awful. Twice he looked to the ceiling on those shots because even he couldn't believe they beat him.
The 2 goals were atrocious as well.
We aRe winning inspite of him when we should be winning because of him. He's now. Top 5 highest laid player in the world the others? Ovechkin Crosby Malkin Perry. Those guys carry their teams. Hank has been killing his this season.
I'm very concerned. We'd be a top team in the east right now if he was playing like his normal self.
He's been awful. Twice he looked to the ceiling on those shots because even he couldn't believe they beat him.
The 2 goals were atrocious as well.
We aRe winning inspite of him when we should be winning because of him. He's now. Top 5 highest laid player in the world the others? Ovechkin Crosby Malkin Perry. Those guys carry their teams. Hank has been killing his this season.
I'm very concerned. We'd be a top team in the east right now if he was playing like his normal self.
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