Post-Game Talk: New York Rangers at New Jersey Devils - December 21

[nevesis]

This won't be a popular post but Lundqvist is both the reason we got a point and didn't lose in regulation and also the reason we didn't get a second point. At this point I can probably just turn off the game when the shootout starts he's that ****ing awful. He, not Vesey was why we lost that shootout. Then again, we should have lost 8-3, so there's that.

 

[Machinehead]

Blaming the coach for a shootout loss after Brian Friggin' Boyle scores the tying goal in regulation and the winning goal in a shootout.

You guys, man.

The Rangers had multiple chances to win this game. Multiple.

Take the point.

The Rangers had multiple chances to be down 8-3 in this game.

 

[Rangers in 7]

This loss has nothing to do with shattenkirk, He didn’t play well but Holden was horrendous without a doubt. Mcd still looks lost out there at times. Staal was ok at best

 

[aufheben]

Shattenkirk has made some terrible gaffs the last couple weeks. But before that, for about a month, he was consistently fantastic, even when McDonagh was injured and Skjei-Shattenkirk was our top pairing.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Sometimes you lay an egg just about every night like we did for the last two and half seasons.

Stop exaggerating. The last 2 seasons were 100+ point seasons and on pace for 100 this year. You always make it seem like they are a bottom feeder. They played like shit. I get it, but good teams get points somehow even when they play poorly. For the record I don't like AV either but we are stuck with him.

 

[member 116805]

Does stats differentiate between "shit happens" and personal mistakes? That's my one issue with using stats vs eye test.
A bad bounce and fr example poor positioning show up in the press sheet as the same cause of the lack of detail

 

[AlternateSideParking]

I don't know man, I wanted Shattenkirk as much as anyone, but he has been a dissapointment to be honest. I don't think he is a great fit for this team especially in AV's system because of his skating, but he needs to be better.

Shattenkirk was brought in to help the PP and take pressure off McDonagh in terms of PP ice time and creating chances. I don't think there was one person who looked at him as a franchise, No. 1 type. Even under Hitchcock he was exposed in his own end. On offense, he's an enabler and a good one.

Sucks defensively but we knew that already. He's Top-15 in scoring among defensemen. He's absolutely lived up to the billing.

 

[FultonReed]

this Hank post game. he looked like he wanted to laugh about the teams performance

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Does stats differentiate between "**** happens" and personal mistakes? That's my one issue with using stats vs eye test.
A bad bounce and fr example poor positioning show up in the press sheet as the same cause of the lack of detail

Stats are supposed to be referenced over long periods of time - that way the occasional bad bounce is given it's proper weight. Looking at stats for a one game sample is kinda pointless.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

He's been abysmal this month but the whole team has been abysmal this month.

He still has the best shots against rate on the team by some distance.

Almost like the coach should maybe shake up the D pairs or something...

Instead he gets bailed out by his goalies (like his entire career) and he sits there rationalizing why in fact his system is great and here are his secret stats that prove how great we’re playing and he’s a hockey genius. While of course sniffing his own farts.

That’s AV.

 

[Siddi]

Blaming the coach for a shootout loss after Brian Friggin' Boyle scores the tying goal in regulation and the winning goal in a shootout.

You guys, man.

The Rangers had multiple chances to win this game. Multiple.

Take the point.

When the coach is actively sabotaging his own team the it is on him. Why else would he chose Vesey to win the game? When the f*** have Vesey ever shown that he has a good shot? Why would he pick Shattenkirk? Dude was atrocious all game! He could have chosen any of Nash, Grabner, Hayes, Miller, Kreider! Even Nick f***ing Holden would have been a better choice.

So yes, this loss is very much on the dumbass behind the bench.

 

[Machinehead]

Stop exaggerating. The last 2 seasons were 100+ point seasons and on pace for 100 this year. You always make it seem like they are a bottom feeder. They played like sh*t. I get it, but good teams get points somehow even when they play poorly. For the record I don't like AV either but we are stuck with him.

They are a bottom feeder with a crazy shooting percentage and a generaational goaltender.

It has never worked in the playoffs and never will. This has been proven time and time again by the Rangers and many teams besides the Rangers.

 

[Machinehead]

Almost like the coach should maybe shake up the D pairs or something...

Instead he gets bailed out by his goalies (like his entire career) and he sits there rationalizing why in fact his system is great and here are his secret stats that prove how great we’re playing and he’s a hockey genius. While of course sniffing his own farts.

That’s AV.

We had a good game tonight by his internal metrics.

We lead the league in efficient touches and good looks.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Blaming the coach for a shootout loss after Brian Friggin' Boyle scores the tying goal in regulation and the winning goal in a shootout.

You guys, man.

The Rangers had multiple chances to win this game. Multiple.

Take the point.

Are you f***ing serious? This team gives up 40+ shots every other game. They just got destroyed by a bad possession team. It's frankly embarrassing following this team this season. No pride, no idea how to f***ing play hockey. I'm f***ing embarrassed by them half the time.

 

[Siddi]

This loss has nothing to do with shattenkirk, He didn’t play well but Holden was horrendous without a doubt. Mcd still looks lost out there at times. Staal was ok at best

What game did you watch? Shattenkirk was beyond horrible this game.

 

[will1066]

Plenty of blame going around, but no is talking about the stupid elbowing penalty Chris took?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

They are a bottom feeder with a crazy shooting percentage and a generaational goaltender.

It has never worked in the playoffs and never will. This has been proven time and time again by the Rangers and many teams besides the Rangers.

As terrible as they are. They've had a crazy shooting percentage like the last 3 or 4 seasons.

 

[rangers1314]

I heard Maloney trashed them on the post game...did anyone catch it?

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

When the coach is actively sabotaging his own team the it is on him. Why else would he chose Vesey to win the game? When the **** have Vesey ever shown that he has a good shot? Why would he pick Shattenkirk? Dude was atrocious all game! He could have chosen any of Nash, Grabner, Hayes, Miller, Kreider! Even Nick ****ing Holden would have been a better choice.

So yes, this loss is very much on the dumbass behind the bench.

AV cares more about being right and doing it his way than he does doing what is best for his group. It’s why his teams can never go all the way. It’s his fatal flaw as a coach, that an being over reliant on veterans in an era when kids are ready to be key players much sooner than in the past. He needs to adjust that mentality.

As far as his system we’ve seen the pst few years he will keep trying to force his square into that round hole because it’s HIS square and he knows best. Instead of realizing he needs to adjust his square so it better fits into the hole.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

The Rangers had multiple chances to be down 8-3 in this game.

And they had multiple chances to win it in the 3rd and in OT. In overtime they had three partial breakaways. Four if you count Skjei's, and a 4-on-3.

Coaching had nothing to do with this game. They lost because the Devils won the shootout. Blaming a coach for a shootout loss is bananas.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Shattenkirk was brought in to help the PP and take pressure off McDonagh in terms of PP ice time and creating chances. I don't think there was one person who looked at him as a franchise, No. 1 type. Even under Hitchcock he was exposed in his own end. On offense, he's an enabler and a good one.

Sucks defensively but we knew that already. He's Top-15 in scoring among defensemen. He's absolutely lived up to the billing.

I expected more from him offensively at 5v5, not necessarily points, but I expected him to be more involved in the offensive zone. He's neutered in the offensive zone, which is where he excels, because the Rangers don't use the points, never sustain offensive zone pressure. I never expected a #1 franchise d, but I thought he would be better in transition and help us generate more shots. Hasn't really happened.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

We had a good game tonight by his internal metrics.

We lead the league in efficient touches and good looks.

• On the matchups for McDonagh impacting his shot attempt numbers, "I'm not a big fan of the shot attempts, I don't want to say preacher or believer, we have one of the most sophisticated stat package here that we use, that ha evolved through the years that permits us not only to break down important things we believe in but all the games being played that night. As soon as the game is over I can look at another teams game, prepare my next game and I have the breakdown of things that I feel are important. It's out there with every game, the shot attempts, the Corsi, whatever you want to call it. I've got other things that I rely on and I don't put a lot of skate into that."

What Vigneault said after practice about McDonagh and how the Rangers track stats

 

[FatGiraffe]

When the coach is actively sabotaging his own team the it is on him. Why else would he chose Vesey to win the game? When the **** have Vesey ever shown that he has a good shot? Why would he pick Shattenkirk? Dude was atrocious all game! He could have chosen any of Nash, Grabner, Hayes, Miller, Kreider! Even Nick ****ing Holden would have been a better choice.

So yes, this loss is very much on the dumbass behind the bench.

To be fair, he is 2 for 4 in his career, which of course is a small sample size, but still better than most others on the team

 

[AlternateSideParking]

They had multiple more chances to lose 5-1. The first 40 minutes was inexcusable and that has been par for the course.

The Devils outplaying the Rangers in minutes 1-40 is totally irrelevant. The Rangers had a lead in the 3rd, and had high-quality chances to win it after it was tied.

 

[Machinehead]

What Vigneault said after practice about McDonagh and how the Rangers track stats

lol he's got "a lot of other stuff that he relies on"

yeah, like "efficient touches"

f***ing class clown